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Offline scholar

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New Cleantec Hose connectors
« on: September 25, 2016, 07:39 AM »
There has been some discussion here http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/uk-new-dts-400-req-what's-in-the-box-video/ and here http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/new-rts-400-req-vs-old-rts-400-eq-hmm/ about the new Cleantec hose connectors.

Having now had a little more hands on with the new RTS 400 REQ that sports the new style spigot with bayonet fitting, I have some major reservations about the system, its "clean" effectiveness and its ergonomic efficacy. Plus I have some questions about fittings for other tools.

I made the early observation in my RTS 400 REQ thread that the connector spills dust when disconnecting it, unlike its simpler push-on predecessor. This has not improved with more familiarity with the tool - the new connector can be simply pushed on or pushed fully home and twisted to lock - in either case, disconnection results in significant dust being trapped in the mounded recesses of both the hose connectors and the tool spigot as here and here

The first picture is the RTS 400 and the second is from using the hose with a third party jigsaw that has a compatible 32mm (?) extraction connector.

Using the new hose connectors with the third party adapter throws up another problem which is that you have to wiggle the Cleantec connection fully in (this is a bit tricky due to a ridge in the moulding) otherwise there is air leakage from the bayonet recesses on the Cleantec adapter - this is both annoying (due to the hissing noise) and must impair the extraction efficiency. The problem does not arise with the old fitting.

The dust spillage problem I would assess as significant and annoying as the only solution is to switch the vac back on manually to clear it up, otherwise you end up spilling dust wherever you park the sander or back in the Systainer.

Aside from the spillage problem, the bayonet fitting is not really satisfying to use, much as I had hoped it would be - it is very hard work to push on even part way and a real struggle to get it fully on to engage the bayonet lock - it is the same effort to disconnect. As I have noted before, once it is on and locked, a team of wild horses would not pull it off and I would expect the hose fitting to break first - fine but when do you need that level of secure fixing?  I can think of situations where you would want the hose to pull out before straining it so far.

I wonder if others have other experiences with the new connector on othe tools?  I see that Festool are offering a service to "upgrade" (?) the connectors on a range of existing tools for £50 each - see here http://www.axminster.co.uk/festool-cleantec/ This is a costly option and I would want to do any such "upgrade" myself which would be much simpler - I could not find details of the part numbers though; maybe someone can come along with those. In any event, notwithstanding my instinctive desire for the latest stuff, I question whether this is any improvement at all, or in fact a pointless development that makes life worse.

The only tool I can think of having loosed the hose in use might be my TS 75, but even then, that might have been the significantly stiffer D36 hose that I mostly use on that saw. I have not seen anything about new connectors for the D36.

So, whilst I am an enthusiastic early adopter of most new stuff, I am wondering whether Festool have just earned a big fat "F" on this?  Hmmm

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« Last Edit: September 25, 2016, 07:50 AM by scholar »

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2016, 08:48 AM »
All I can suggest is to try to remember (because it wasn't necessary with the old style connector) to keep the vac running when disconnecting the hose from the tool.

Offline scholar

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 09:21 AM »
All I can suggest is to try to remember (because it wasn't necessary with the old style connector) to keep the vac running when disconnecting the hose from the tool.

Errm...rather defeats the point of having the vac switched on by starting the tool🤔

No, that doesn't solve it!


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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2016, 11:40 PM »

"trouble is the price of progress"

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 10:14 AM »

"trouble is the price of progress"


Ha!

Only problem here is that I cannot see any actual progress - the new connector is much tougher to use and has flaws in the effectiveness of the seal between it and the tool.

I would still like to hear about the other tools that have the new connector fitment.

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Offline neeleman

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 10:19 AM »
I have changed the dust ports on my TS and HKC saw. Same on the CTL Midi and CTL 26.
Same problem with saw dust which stays in the new connector.
Also find them very stiff on others tools but it will weaken the more you use them.
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Offline Jimmy FineCut

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 06:36 PM »
I can confirm it does not work well at all on the metal mfk 700 dust port! [mad]

Offline antss

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 07:06 PM »
This appears to be one of those German oddities of a solution looking for a problem, then tasking marketing with trying to sell it.

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 09:05 PM »
This appears to be one of those German oddities of a solution looking for a problem, then tasking marketing with trying to sell it.

I'm not sure I agree.  There is an issue with the hose falling off some tools, I've had some trouble with the TS55 and OF1400.  Still, I hate it when you solve one problem just to cause another...
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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 11:20 PM »
This appears to be one of those German oddities of a solution looking for a problem, then tasking marketing with trying to sell it.

I'm not sure I agree.  There is an issue with the hose falling off some tools, I've had some trouble with the TS55 and OF1400.  Still, I hate it when you solve one problem just to cause another...

I wrapped my TS55 dust port with one layer of hockey tape. This suggestion came from Paul Marcel. It did the trick.
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Offline Jimmy FineCut

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2016, 10:30 AM »
Found a solution for the mfk 700 hose connection.


Offline antss

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Re: New Cleantec Hose connectors
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2016, 09:14 AM »
Brice , I have have the same saw and router and don't have slipping issues.

 I have noticed it's easier to insert the connectors on my older hoses than the newer ones though, so maybe yours are worn out ?  I sometimes use cable/hose management clips from WAP that I got 20 years ago and I suspect those make a difference too.

I also don't recall any threads discussing the issue here , but admit I haven't done a search.