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Offline mrB

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Where's this cordless grinder then?
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

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Offline mal_lynam

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Where's this cordless grinder then?
Isn't that the burning question........and maybe the impact driver.....

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Offline Otakar Svojše

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Offline mrB

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Nice. I'm happy to see it has speed control. It will double nicely as a cordless Sander for certain tasks :)
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline jronman

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I wonder what cool features the grinder has.



Offline Bob D.

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Can a metal cutting blade be used on the AGC-18?
Cold cut not the abrasive type.
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Offline LooseSox

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Angle grinder would spin way too fast to use a cold cut blade on. Even dialling the speed down, the potential to use it at a higher speed would be a huge safety risk.

Offline Bob D.

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I found the DSC-AGC 18 manual on the UK site and confirmed the tool is not intended for the following uses or with these accessories/attachments. This list is not all inclusive, you should read the manual.

- Do not attach a saw chain, woodcarving blade, or toothed saw blade. Such blades create frequent kickback and loss of control.

- Do not use accessories that require liquid coolants. Using water or other liquid coolants may result in electrocution or shock.

- Operations such as grinding, sanding, wire brushing, polishing or cutting-off are not recommended to be performed with this power tool.

- This power tool is designed to be used as an abrasive cutting machine.

So it looks like you are limited to dry cutting of masonry/cement/tile/engineered quartz, etc. No surface grinding of these materials is allowed with this tool.

No cutting of metal using cold cut (toothed) blades, abrasive cutting only = lots of sparks but a spark trap is no longer available from Festool.

The DSC-AGC 18 can not be used for sanding or grinding are verboten per the manual. There is nothing that I saw in the manual that says otherwise or if you get conversion kit xxx for an additional $$$ you are OK to do surface grinding and sanding.

So does that mean you need to buy the AGC-18 to do surface grinding or that you have to buy the proper guards and other kit to use the DSC-AGC 18 for grinding and sanding. I ask because underneath the two tools seem identical and it's only the guard/attachments that differentiate them from one another.

Which (if at all) should/can I use for tuck pointing. If I need to cut out mortar joints is either tool acceptable for this use and if so with what accessories.

When I look at the Makita XAG17ZU which is also a 125mm/5" variable speed (3000-8500 RPM) grinder I can get accessories to do the job of both the AGC-18 and the DSC-AGC 18 and it also has BT capability to communicate with their 36v cordless HEPA Vac. The Makita grinder plus a pair of 5AH batteries is about $350, the cordless HEPA vac (which can also be powered from the mains as a corded tool) with a dual battery charger and a pair of 5AH batteries is another ~$825.



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Offline Michael Kellough

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AGC 18 video on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/ddsmagazin/videos/2183495308608928/

(Attachment Link)

What is the tool on the left? Surely not the same as the others with the arbor on the right side...?

Offline Michael Kellough

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@Bob D. Amazon has a bundle of that Makita tool, basic dust shroud, and cordless vac for $736 (bring your own batteries)

Offline six-point socket II

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Hi Bob,

I think the DSC-AGC is simply not meant to be dismantled, and retrofitted with AGC parts (on site). And with the shroud on, it's not suitable for the tasks mentioned. From a manufacturers standpoint that makes sense.

As a user, I'm looking at it the same way as you do. I also would like to know if it is possible to safely turn the DSC-AGC into an AGC if needed/wanted. (Or vice versa if one got the AGC.) As I also suspect they are the same "underneath the hood" so to speak. ;)

But I guess the official answer to that will be, understandably, no. ;)

For the mortar joints I'd say the DSC-AGC with the dust collection shroud will be superior, but obviously you can do it with the AGC, too. I don't think that using any of the two on this type of work would violate any guidelines/rules set out by the manuals.

Kind regards,
Oliver

Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline Bob D.

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@Bob D. Amazon has a bundle of that Makita tool, basic dust shroud, and cordless vac for $736 (bring your own batteries)

I looked at that thanks to your link, interesting. And the tuck point shroud added into the bundle takes it to $788
I don't have (or want) any Makita batteries. Right now I have no Makita tools. But the more I look at their whole line of tools I think maybe that's where I should have been all along. It might be time to think about dumping DeWalt, RIDGID, Bosch, and whatever else I have laying around and go all in on Makita. They seem to have everything I might want. I have 35 batteries between all the different brands in various sizes (AH rating) and voltages. Could probably get by with 8 if all my tools were the same brand/voltage.

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Offline Phil Beckley

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Hi Bob,

I think the DSC-AGC is simply not meant to be dismantled, and retrofitted with AGC parts (on site). And with the shroud on, it's not suitable for the tasks mentioned. From a manufacturers standpoint that makes sense.

As a user, I'm looking at it the same way as you do. I also would like to know if it is possible to safely turn the DSC-AGC into an AGC if needed/wanted. (Or vice versa if one got the AGC.) As I also suspect they are the same "underneath the hood" so to speak. ;)

But I guess the official answer to that will be, understandably, no. ;)

For the mortar joints I'd say the DSC-AGC with the dust collection shroud will be superior, but obviously you can do it with the AGC, too. I don't think that using any of the two on this type of work would violate any guidelines/rules set out by the manuals.

Kind regards,
Oliver

Hey Oliver
They are two separate machines for two different applications. They cannot be converted as the blade direction would incorrect - one is a push cut the other a pull cut so converting is not easily possible
As for mortar raking it is not recommended as it’s a battery machine and corded would be better
Rg
Phil
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Offline Bob D.

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Thank you for explaining the differences between the two tools Phil.
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Offline shu

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Hi Phil,

I'm about to do a work to cut 20mm thick engineering stones like Caesar Stone and polish the cut surface and edges. The stone are factory half made and I just need to do some final touch-up's before installing. Is AGC 18 my best choice?

Regards.

Shu
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