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Offline Toller

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So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« on: January 06, 2019, 07:51 PM »
I got my Kapex 10 years ago.  Even with the Bing 35% rebate it was overpriced, but I haven't had any problems.

I just read another thread where people posted over and over again about the well known problems.  What are they?  If I have gotten through 10 years, did I get a good one?

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Offline ben_r_

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2019, 07:56 PM »
Just do some searching through the Festool Tool Problems section, Im sure youll find all you need there.
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2019, 09:17 PM »
I’ve had my Kapex for about 8 years with no issues. There are lots of posts about motors failing.
Birdhunter

Offline kevinculle

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 09:05 AM »
I have a 10 year old Kapex that I bought used.  I get a sense that the failures, which became a steady story here in the last 2-3 years, seem to be focused on more recent vintage saws, but it's difficult to get a real sense since I assume only a small fraction of users with this issue report it here.

Offline NL-mikkla

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 09:18 AM »
What's the need  for this topic?

Offline kevinculle

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2019, 08:52 AM »
What's the need  for this topic?

If you don't think a topic is needed or of value there is a very effective technique to be followed, don't click on the link to the thread and in your world it doesn't exist anymore.  Magic!

Offline NL-mikkla

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2019, 10:06 AM »
What's the need  for this topic?

If you don't think a topic is needed or of value there is a very effective technique to be followed, don't click on the link to the thread and in your world it doesn't exist anymore.  Magic!

Thank you for your very informative answer!
But it's topic's like this, the constant rant about the kapex that really takes the fun out of FOG.

I just read another thread where people posted over and over again about the well known problems.  What are they? 
And what does this contribute to the forum, a topic is read, there is a mention about all the know problems and still ask what the problems are?
What's going on here?

Offline RKA

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2019, 10:46 AM »
@Toller The short answer is you can review the thread below, you'll find a lot of speculation about the source of the issue but no official admission or solution offered by Festool.  If you've had your saw this long without issue, keep it and don't worry about it.  If you're considering buying another, definitely read the thread and be as informed as you can be before investing the money.  As to the nature of the comments in this thread, ignore it.  People are upset for a variety of reasons, unfortunately this is something the manufacturer could prevent but they have chosen not to.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/another-kapex-bites-the-dust-again/
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Offline Cochese

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2019, 10:49 AM »
@Toller The short answer is you can review the thread below, you'll find a lot of speculation about the source of the issue but no official admission or solution offered by Festool.  If you've had your saw this long without issue, keep it and don't worry about it.  If you're considering buying another, definitely read the thread and be as informed as you can be before investing the money.  As to the nature of the comments in this thread, ignore it.  People are upset for a variety of reasons, unfortunately this is something the manufacturer could prevent but they have chosen not to.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/another-kapex-bites-the-dust-again/

Personally, radio silence about the issues from the manufacturer really takes the fun out of FOG.

Offline NL-mikkla

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2019, 11:10 AM »
Personally, radio silence about the issues from the manufacturer really takes the fun out of FOG.

LMAO, but unfortunatley also true!

Offline Toller

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2019, 01:51 PM »


I just read another thread where people posted over and over again about the well known problems.  What are they? 
And what does this contribute to the forum, a topic is read, there is a mention about all the know problems and still ask what the problems are?
What's going on here?

Because they just said the well know problems without saying what they are. 
Some of us don't post just for the sake of posting.

Offline glass1

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2019, 07:07 PM »
Leaking arbor, not flat top, sends small pieces flying, silly safety button trigger, no detent override, blade guard can hang up and explode or get get caught in blade, and..... the motor mystery. That’s not to say it’s not a precise, quiet, light weight, good dust collection saw albeit expensive.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2019, 07:19 PM »
Counting my Kapex blessings. None of the above applies to me (no detent override may be a problem for some users but not in my case). The motor mystery is a worry in the back of my mind.

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2019, 07:28 PM »
Leaking arbor, not flat top, sends small pieces flying, silly safety button trigger, no detent override, blade guard can hang up and explode or get get caught in blade, and..... the motor mystery. That’s not to say it’s not a precise, quiet, light weight, good dust collection saw albeit expensive.

If you are saying there isn't a detent over ride then you are inaccurate.  Does the Kapex want to fall into the detent when it is close?  Yes it does.  But you can set angles to within 1/4 degree or finer if you need to on those rare occasions.

I haven't had the other issues with my 8 year old Kapex except for the flinging off cuts.  They diminished once I stopped raising the blade before it was stopped.

Respectfully,

Peter
« Last Edit: January 08, 2019, 07:34 PM by Peter Halle »

Offline glass1

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 09:11 PM »
No lock out for detentes. Yes makes it hard not impossible to set very close to a detente. I live in an often fast paced enviro, no other saw requires so much t8me and care when the off cut is small. I have spent tons of time behind all these current scms’s. Like I have mentioned before why not all push Festool to mak3 their saw better rather than accept its flaws and make excuses.

Offline Gregor

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2019, 12:29 PM »
No lock out for detentes. Yes makes it hard not impossible to set very close to a detente. I live in an often fast paced enviro, no other saw requires so much t8me and care when the off cut is small. I have spent tons of time behind all these current scms’s. Like I have mentioned before why not all push Festool to mak3 their saw better rather than accept its flaws and make excuses.
Make yourself zero clearance both bottom insert and back fence, then it won't throw small offcuts out of the back anymore.
Letting it come to a stop, even with that upgrades, gives nicer results though.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2019, 12:41 PM »
Snip.
Make yourself zero clearance both bottom insert and back fence,


This fixture (you can find various designs (such "double fences") and sizes) is as useful as a cross-cut sled for a tablesaw. It is indispensable for cutting or mitering narrow trims, etc. Simply build one or two with 1/2" or 3/4" scrap ply sheets.

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Offline Ch!p

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2019, 02:36 PM »
I didn't notice this before but this is at the bottom of page 12 in the supplemental manual.

3. When the desired miter angle is set, engage the miter
lock by pressing down on the miter lock lever.

Note: When setting a miter angle very close to
one of the miter stops (for example, at 45½° ),
keep holding down the miter stop release lever
until you fully engage the miter lock lever, to
prevent the miter angle from jumping to the
nearby miter stop position.



Offline glass1

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2019, 06:55 PM »
Yep a sub fence is great. Cannot always be used, but use when I can on all saws. The blade coming to a complete stop, man I got work to do...  Other issues, no detente overide( end of the world, no but on a saw that costs 3 times others that have it?) Non flat bed come on maybe most of the time it doesn’t matter but really. Leaky arbor ? Come on  pick better grease use better seals whatever. The blade guard catches up on compound bevel cuts and is so close to the blade which is elegant not practical. The safety switch is too far from the trigger, just look how much closer they are on the ks60. And the motor thingy.
That being said it’s accurate, quiet, great bevel scale, light, good capacity, and excellent dust collection.  But for 2 to 3 times the cost of the competition these issues should be addressed and fixed. Just saying. The makita ls1019l has plenty of faults but it’s $500. Often comes with a free stand. The ridgid 10” is $350. The dewalt is always on sale. I hate the race to the bottom that’s why the kapex’s short Comings bother me.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2019, 09:52 PM »

Why would you want to do that?
Asking as the bottom thingy will not move on miters...

This is one example, and there are some other jigs that are built for the compound miter saws. I have one that allows you to cut outside the 60* limit.

« Last Edit: January 09, 2019, 10:06 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Mortiser

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2019, 10:20 PM »
So was the black smoke in the background at the end of the video coming from a Kapex on the other side of the room?
Rich

Offline ChuckM

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2019, 10:30 PM »
Good eye!

My guess would be a CTxx...that shared the same circuit as his miter saw.

Offline Master Carpenter

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Re: So, what are the issues with the Kapex?
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2019, 11:29 PM »
My issues, lack of detents for crown. Both 38 and 45 spring angle would be nice. I can set by eye as the Kapex has easy to read scales but on the job where time=money I don’t want to. And I find greater precision cutting my crown flat, plus some of the crown I deal with won’t fit in the small cutting capacity of the Kapex (that’s my other main issue with the saw, lost capacity when I sidegraded from my 12” Bosch).

Also, blades are too expensive compared to what else is on the market.
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