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Offline grbmds

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2016, 06:53 PM »
@erock I actually made it yesterday also. It was easy, but maybe took me a bit longer than 15 minutes. I used some extra t-bolts and knobs from a Gripper kit instead of the Festool keys and knobs because I didn't have those just sitting around. I was a little concerned that the t-bolts seemed to be a bit narrower than the slot on the MFT (still held well though) and was a little concerned that maybe the keys would give better, long-term support. What did you use? The Festool classroom in Indianapolis currently has the VacSys mounted this way and it does work well and is a much better height. Another nice thing about it is that it is easily removed and clamped to a more solid workbench to provide more stability for light chiseling or small planing jobs (which I've used it for).


@grbmds    I used two 5/16" T-bolts and knobs to hold the board onto the MFT.   I have two 12mm (1/2") pieces of pre finished plywood stapled together.  Since the Festool plans called for a 23mm thick board.   I'm not familiar with the size of the Gripper T-bolts, but the 5/16" T-bolts are solid and I have no worries about using them.    I was a little leery about the 5mm bolts.  But it's solid.  [cool]

Eric

@erock The T-bolts I used were 1/4" diameter and the T-heads are 1/2" wide. They hold well. As for the base, the holes are only 5mm so there really isn't a choice I guess. The weight is spread over 4 of them so probably there isn't much strain on each. The whole setup is much more convenient and easier to use, especially for sanding and making mortises with the Domino.
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Offline erock

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2016, 06:06 PM »
Okay guys, 2 more pictures for you.  Maybe this will get some of your creative juices flowing.

A friend of mine said that it would be great if I got the vac-sys pump off my mft/3.
So I came up with this.





It's nice having the pump out of the way.
Hope this helps someone.

Eric

Offline Drich

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2016, 09:00 AM »
Hello all

 This looks like a neat system to have at a later time but my question is does the pump run all the time? Or does it build up Vacuum pressure then shut off like a air compressor? Also why a classic systainer? That seems a little strange.  Thanks

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2016, 09:12 AM »
The answer to your question about the classic systainers is that everywhere else in the world the pump is different and is mounted in a classic systainer.  As such the other stuff was also put in a classic systainer to maximize the stacking possibilities.  Festool probably didn't feel the need to have an additional sku just for the other stuff in a T-Loc.

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Offline erock

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2016, 09:52 AM »
Hello all

 This looks like a neat system to have at a later time but my question is does the pump run all the time? Or does it build up Vacuum pressure then shut off like a air compressor? Also why a classic systainer? That seems a little strange.  Thanks

@Drich

Hey big D......the pump runs until you shut it off.  It's quiet.  I can't hear it when the CT and tool is running. I've had it running continuously for an hour or more, no problem.  The pump gets warm, all normal, nothing big.     

I didn't like the classic systainer.....but I've never put it back in the systainer since I took it out the first time.     [cool]

Eric

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2016, 09:58 AM »
Okay guys, 2 more pictures for you.  Maybe this will get some of your creative juices flowing.

A friend of mine said that it would be great if I got the vac-sys pump off my mft/3.
So I came up with this.


If you extended the back a little and braced from underneath, you could remove the top brace from one side and use it as a shelf to drop your TS on to when you weren't using the VAC SYS...

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2016, 10:11 AM »
The single most annoying thing about the vac-sys is the air hoses.
I like how you managed to get them as much out of the way as possible erock.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2016, 10:57 AM »
@erock
I really like the way you mounted the foot valve to the ply and used a clearance hole so that you can push the foot valve out of the way when you're not using the VAC SYS...very clever.

Offline erock

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2016, 11:07 AM »
@erock
I really like the way you mounted the foot valve to the ply and used a clearance hole so that you can push the foot valve out of the way when you're not using the VAC SYS...very clever.

@Cheese,  I wish I could take credit, but I remember seeing this in a photo a while back in a VAC-SYS google search I did.   I don't remember the pic or the person  I stole the idea from......but it's a slick solution.    [wink]

Eric

Offline erock

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2016, 11:09 AM »
Okay guys, 2 more pictures for you.  Maybe this will get some of your creative juices flowing.

A friend of mine said that it would be great if I got the vac-sys pump off my mft/3.
So I came up with this.


If you extended the back a little and braced from underneath, you could remove the top brace from one side and use it as a shelf to drop your TS on to when you weren't using the VAC SYS...


Good idea !    [thumbs up]

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2016, 04:01 PM »
@Cheese,  I wish I could take credit, but I remember seeing this in a photo a while back in a VAC-SYS google search I did.   I don't remember the pic or the person  I stole the idea from......but it's a slick solution.    [wink]

It was @Rick Christopherson.



http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/mission-complete!!!-all-festool-goals-for-the-shop-purchased!/msg388795/#msg388795

Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2016, 06:12 PM »
Thanks for the heads-up Garry... [cool]

I'll have to thank Rick in person the next time I see him.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2016, 06:47 PM »
5/16" closet (toilet) bolts work very well also.

Tom

Offline Thistleman

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2016, 07:10 PM »
erock

Thanks for the post. Mounting the VAC-SYS to the profile at the reduced height is brilliant and will make it much more usable

I have a similar design shelf to your 'pump shelf' that I have been using on my mft for a couple of years. It is the full width of the MFT and has a batten across the back with two semi circular cut outs to fit around the legs to help support it as I was concerned about the torque on the profile where the mounting bolts are
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Offline grbmds

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2016, 09:09 PM »
@Cheese,  I wish I could take credit, but I remember seeing this in a photo a while back in a VAC-SYS google search I did.   I don't remember the pic or the person  I stole the idea from......but it's a slick solution.    [wink]

It was @Rick Christopherson.

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http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/mission-complete!!!-all-festool-goals-for-the-shop-purchased!/msg388795/#msg388795

That is a great idea. The foot pedal is a constant problem because it moves around when you're trying to release the work piece.
Randy

Offline ScotF

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2016, 12:47 AM »
So how well does this work on solid wood -- think chair seats and parts that might have slight curve or taper. Would it work well for this application to aid sanding and grinding or would the curvature of some pieces not create suction? I know there are different heads so maybe a silly question, but just trying to get a sense of how well this works with solid wood that might not be entirely flat or in some "rough" state. It is a lot of money to plunk down -- would love to have one and it was been on my wish list for years, but no sense spending the money if it will not work well for what I need it to do -- which is primarily solid wood furniture and processing.

I know I could try the "main" unit for 30 days, but the other heads I think is what I really need to try and I do not think those are covered in the 30 day policy, which is kind of a bummer. None of my dealers have the smaller heads in a demo unit so I cannot try it out in a local store either.

Thanks!

Offline Kev

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2016, 03:44 AM »
So how well does this work on solid wood -- think chair seats and parts that might have slight curve or taper. Would it work well for this application to aid sanding and grinding or would the curvature of some pieces not create suction? I know there are different heads so maybe a silly question, but just trying to get a sense of how well this works with solid wood that might not be entirely flat or in some "rough" state. It is a lot of money to plunk down -- would love to have one and it was been on my wish list for years, but no sense spending the money if it will not work well for what I need it to do -- which is primarily solid wood furniture and processing.

I know I could try the "main" unit for 30 days, but the other heads I think is what I really need to try and I do not think those are covered in the 30 day policy, which is kind of a bummer. None of my dealers have the smaller heads in a demo unit so I cannot try it out in a local store either.

Thanks!

@ScotF

This sort of thing?




Offline grbmds

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2016, 08:27 AM »
I would assume that there must be a surface on the piece which has a flat surface that is no smaller than the head you use. There is one head which is skinny; 277 X 32 mm. That should work on many curved surfaces since it doesn't require a wide area (32mm). However, there would likely be some limitations, like pieces with sharp curves.

I would assume that a chair seat with a gradual curve could be clamped with a little experimenting.

I haven't found anything I couldn't clamp yet and the hold is significant on solid wood or ply.
Randy

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2016, 08:33 AM »
Two or more piece of masking tape, hot glue, blocks and a flat piece can solve any mounting problem.

Tom

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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2016, 09:45 AM »
Two or more piece of masking tape, hot glue, blocks and a flat piece can solve any mounting problem.

Great idea...I always seem to forget about the hot melt. [embarassed]

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« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2016, 10:04 AM »
Two or more piece of masking tape, hot glue, blocks and a flat piece can solve any mounting problem.

Great idea...I always seem to forget about the hot melt. [embarassed]

The key is using masking tape as a barrier. Tape on the work piece, glue on the tape, you can glue the block directly or a piece of tape on the block. When done remove blocks and tape.

Tom

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2016, 01:49 PM »
Thanks -- some good suggestions. Never would have thought to try hot glue on masking tape.

So those that have used the system - have all the heads come into play or do 1-2 cover the bulk of needs?

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2016, 02:51 PM »
Thanks -- some good suggestions. Never would have thought to try hot glue on masking tape.

So those that have used the system - have all the heads come into play or do 1-2 cover the bulk of needs?

I've used all the heads.

Tom

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2016, 03:38 PM »
Thanks -- some good suggestions. Never would have thought to try hot glue on masking tape.

So those that have used the system - have all the heads come into play or do 1-2 cover the bulk of needs?

I've used all the heads.

Tom

Tom - did you get two of the Systainer sets since you have the two module system or do you find one set works well with both?

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2016, 03:52 PM »
Thanks -- some good suggestions. Never would have thought to try hot glue on masking tape.

So those that have used the system - have all the heads come into play or do 1-2 cover the bulk of needs?

I've used all the heads.

Tom

Tom - did you get two of the Systainer sets since you have the two module system or do you find one set works well with both?

Just one.

Tom

Offline Flatsawn

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2017, 10:24 PM »
The Vac Sys works with vacuum bags.

The Vac Sys base and head does more than the pods will.

Tom

So to be clear, can the vac sys be modified to hook up a bag for clamping veneer? Yes Tom, believe it or not I'm still thinking about it a year later [big grin]

Offline tjbnwi

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« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2017, 10:48 PM »
The Vac Sys works with vacuum bags.

The Vac Sys base and head does more than the pods will.

Tom

So to be clear, can the vac sys be modified to hook up a bag for clamping veneer? Yes Tom, believe it or not I'm still thinking about it a year later [big grin]

Yes, still use mine everyday I'm in the shop. 

Tom

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: VAC-SYS (vacuum clamping system) question
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2018, 10:33 AM »

If the Vac-Sys mounting board was slid to the right you could add a shim to brace the board against the leg and take a lot of stress off the rail. Add U-bolt around leg.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2018, 10:36 AM by Michael Kellough »

Offline rst

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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2018, 11:24 AM »
276221-0  This is how I have mine mounted using 8020 15 series extrusions.

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2018, 11:43 AM »
@rst, those long legs and the low shelf backing them up look plenty strong.

By appearance, the weakest link seems to be the struts that stick out from the legs. If you say they’re strong enough I’ll believe it.