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Offline phmade

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Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« on: July 25, 2014, 10:26 PM »
Has anyone used Rubio Monocoat on flooring?  I have a customer who really likes the look but I want to hear some reviews before I recommend something that won't last.  What should the expectations of durability be? Maintenance? 

I made up a sample board and then dripped red wine, olive oil, etc on it.  They all stained permanently.  The manufacturer said I need to wait at least 6 days for full cure before I do any testing on it. 

Also, I'd love to hear any application techniques.  I just wiped it on with a rag and waited a few minutes before wiping it off.  Then I buffed it with an ultra fine Mirka Mirlon pad.  Would I be better to use an abrasive pad on my Rotex?  I'm just wanting to most realistic sample.

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Offline Walk On Wood

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2014, 10:40 PM »
 It is not my favorite finish. It is properly applied using a rotary floor buffer.  We usually just squirt it on the floor and buff it in. .  Quality of sanding before application is extremely important.  It fall into the category of finished known as penetrating finishes (wax, hard wax oils)  and thus tend to be high maintenace. I prefer film building finishes: Swedish finishes or water based finishes like Bona Traffic.  Check out Bona Naturale if they like the Rubio look.  It is an absolutely flat sheen film building finish that has very good durability.
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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2014, 11:21 PM »
   I used Rubio on a countertop. It came out exactly the way the customer wanted for the appearance. You need to be somewhat careful about overlaps being darker than other areas but not as much as with stain (I was using a dark brown Monocoat). The hardest part of application was the buffing and removal of excess. It does have a long cure time in my opinion. I wasn't able to do any real testing. I do think it will have a pretty high maintenance regardless of manufacturer claims. But also should be fairly easy to repair. It certainly won't protect the wood itself from damage. I haven't seen it since delivery and I don't know how it is fairing.



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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2014, 09:48 AM »
   I used Rubio on a countertop. It came out exactly the way the customer wanted for the appearance. You need to be somewhat careful about overlaps being darker than other areas but not as much as with stain (I was using a dark brown Monocoat). The hardest part of application was the buffing and removal of excess. It does have a long cure time in my opinion. I wasn't able to do any real testing. I do think it will have a pretty high maintenance regardless of manufacturer claims. But also should be fairly easy to repair. It certainly won't protect the wood itself from damage. I haven't seen it since delivery and I don't know how it is fairing.

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Offline Dane

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2014, 10:45 AM »
I used on the red oak floors in my house about 3 years ago.  It is certainly easy to apply and looks great, but the durability isn't fabulous.  According to Rubio, there is a maintenance product that you can just lay down and it will refresh the look, but I haven't tried it.  I think it would look best on something like walnut or another rustic-type floor, on red oak it kinds looks dirty after 3 years.

Offline Joseph C

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 12:35 AM »
I've been curious about this product, too, and am glad to hear some candid feedback.
I can see how an open pore wood like oak, especially, would benefit from a film forming finish rather than a penetrating oil like Monocoat on a floor.
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Offline cgraham

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 06:31 AM »
I have it on five inch white oak engineered flooring for two years. Used a stand up buffer and went on easy and still looks good. One year ago finished a hallway that ties into the existing floor and was able to buff the monocoat so that you can't tell that they were done a year apart. Only drawback that I had was that I guess I didn't remove enough of the product and whenever you walked on your socks would turn black. That lasted a couple of weeks. Also because it was a basement it would be hard to get the smell from other finishes out and the monocoat smell only lasted a couple of days

Offline PA floor guy

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 12:24 PM »
I am a flooring guy as well, although Rubio is not for everyone, it's one of my favorite looks on a floor.  I believe it's best use is for high traffic areas that will do maintenance coats every year. In my opinion, it's a super high end look, and I use it about 10-15 times a year.  Again, it has to be the right situation, species, etc. 

Offline Dane

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 01:13 PM »
I'll just chime back in here as an end user.  I agree with PA Floor Guy that the Rubio looks great and if the end user can do the maintenance, it is a great product.  My experience is a a homeowner with 2 small kids and no realistic way to move the entire family and furniture out of the house to do the annual maintenance.  We are also probably as hard on floors as anyone you will find.  Kids grind blueberries and track mud, etc.  So, if you are doing it for some folks with no kids or in a place that can do the upkeep, I think its a great product.  It just isn't a "set it and forget it" type finish.

Offline phmade

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2014, 11:08 AM »
Thanks for all of the replies.  I made up a sample and did some torture testing on it.  It really didn't perform like I wanted it.  Red wine and Olive oil severely stained the wood.  I do love the look of the Rubio monocoat but I'm not sure the customer is willing to make major sacrifices in durability.

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2014, 05:49 PM »
phmade did you use the 2 part rubio monocoat and let let it fully cure before doing your tests. My personal tests of the product would indicate otherwise.

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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2014, 08:40 PM »
I used the single part rubio monocoat on an engineered oak floor at my sister's house a couple of months ago. (in a newly built extension/kids playroom) The guy that gave it to me also gave me a maintenance product with it, that you have to add to water for a weekly cleaning. (BTW I personally recommended her getting a tile floor with radiant floor heating).
He also offered to lend me his floor buffing machine, but I declined because it was such a small floor (I regret that a little in hindsight). It's only about 10 m², and I thought I'd sand it with my rotexes and apply/remove excess with cloths.

It was my first time sanding and finishing a wooden floor, and I didn't sand it properly (I was to scared I would sand it too aggressively, since it was an enginered floor, so the top layer isn't that thick. But the finish isn't really that penetrating, it bonds to the top surface, and the excess has to be wiped off, and doesn't change the color (at least with the pure version, which doesn't have added color) and I think it won't dry either.
There were a few spots that weren't sanded at all (at some of the sides due to a little cupping of the boards) and some were (at the butt joints, some were a little uneven despite off the tongue and groove on all sides,so they were sanded very well to get them even)  that part came out a bit blotchy, so after about 3 to 4 weeks I ended up sanding half of the floor again and reapplying the monocoat to that part.
I think the recommended maintenance was, after application stay off the floor for a few days, then use it, but stay off the floor with water for 3 weeks (so only vaccuuming or using a swiffer); Then you could start with the moderately wet cleaning with the rubio cleaning product added to the water.

Haven't been there for a while, because they don't live near, but last time I was there it had been in use and looked okay.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2014, 08:53 PM by Frank-Jan »

Offline karatas

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2015, 08:10 AM »
hi.

this is my first post on this group so - hello everybody :)

i want to sand and oil (with Rubio Monocoat) 70 m2 of ash floor in house with RO150.

Can i sand ash to higher grit then 120? Goal is to have really smooth surface.

How to spread Rubio with RO? Spill some Rubio on floor, put white vlies on RO (496509) and spread it on floor, then, after 10-15 minutes, put new white vlies (clean) and collect excess?

Tnx in advance
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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2015, 11:08 AM »
     I don't have any updates on the Monocoat countertop. In hindsight ..... if the appearance is a must then I would use it again. But over all I am not sure I would recommend it. I think I would have to do more with it to really know if I like it or not.

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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2015, 09:05 PM »
     I don't have any updates on the Monocoat countertop. In hindsight ..... if the appearance is a must then I would use it again. But over all I am not sure I would recommend it. I think I would have to do more with it to really know if I like it or not.

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Offline VinnyG.O.

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2018, 08:01 PM »
Has anyone used Rubio Monocoat on flooring?  I have a customer who really likes the look but I want to hear some reviews before I recommend something that won't last.  What should the expectations of durability be? Maintenance? 

I made up a sample board and then dripped red wine, olive oil, etc on it.  They all stained permanently.  The manufacturer said I need to wait at least 6 days for full cure before I do any testing on it. 

Also, I'd love to hear any application techniques.  I just wiped it on with a rag and waited a few minutes before wiping it off.  Then I buffed it with an ultra fine Mirka Mirlon pad.  Would I be better to use an abrasive pad on my Rotex?  I'm just wanting to most realistic sample.

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2018, 08:42 PM »
     I don't have any updates on the Monocoat countertop. In hindsight ..... if the appearance is a must then I would use it again. But over all I am not sure I would recommend it. I think I would have to do more with it to really know if I like it or not.

Seth
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Maybe it's better this way, you won't wince at any recent spills or stains on it.... [scared]



     Sorry this doesn't help with the flooring exactly but I just realized that I can update this now.

    On the countertop ............ the customer just had me redo the Monocoat finish a few months ago. It definitely wears off and in this application gets lots of food and spills and cleaning. They knew this going in so I had no customer issue. I am not sure they kept up the maintenance on though. I think it was close to five years. But I think that it was in need of refinishing in about four.

     For the reapplication I sanded off the original. Poured it on to an area about 10 - 15 square feet at a time. Spread and distributed with a cloth. Got it fairly even. Waited a bit and wiped off excess. Then used a sheepskin on the Rotex 150 to buff and blend areas. Rotex worked great!

Seth

Offline Islandlife

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Re: Avoid Rubio Monocoat
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2018, 01:55 AM »
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Spent $33,000 refinishing my entire house with Rubio Monocoat Fume.  Love the look.  However the product is terrible and does not work.  Within 1 week, my kitchen floors were spotting near the sinks.  Water spots left on the floor discolored it.  Prior to choosing Rubio, I read their product specifications and called their office in Texas.  I read and was told that product can be used in kitchen.  Wrong!!  Spotting and discoloration after 1 week.  Further the company does not stand behind their product.

Offline DOTTIE

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2019, 02:10 PM »
We have fume Rubio Monocoat finish.  We have an area in one of our rooms where the oyster oil was applied to thick and unfortunately cured and thus leaving visible spots of too much oil (oyster colored). We also had to have a area repaired as spot fixed and we are on 6th time to try and get it to match. The wood has been removed several times and refumed and stained with oil but still cant get it to match and look like it was not a repair job.  We have a lot of dry looking spots and discolored round spots which someone on here said was from water.  We immediately wipe any drops of water and some of ours are not even in an area with water (as in kitchen) so pretty sure its not from any water. Our wood in some areas does even bead up with Rubio which tells us its absorbing and expelling water depending on the humidity of your house (not good)  Rubio has NOT provided any solutions to the buildup or should I say none of them worked.  Not a happy hardwood floor person right now and we have had them for years with no problems until this finish.  Any advice on any of these issues? Thanks so much. 

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2019, 02:51 PM »
Although Rubio’s Moncoat is marketed for floor finishing I’ve never understood how such an insubstantial material could adequately protect any floor let alone a kitchen floor. It seems to me to just be a very expensive stain.

Offline Dane

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2019, 03:23 PM »
After a few unsatisfactory experiences with Rubio, I've switched over to the Bona line.  Couldn't be happier.  You can achieve a similar look as with the Rubio, but the durability is way better.  You can also get the finish to a walk-able state almost as quickly as Rubio.  I think Rubio can work on floors, it just requires a perfect installation and some pretty heavy maintenance rituals- there's just not enough room for error to make it worth the risk, in my opinion

Offline Cheese

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2019, 03:39 PM »
I looked at using Rubio for use on some oak strip flooring a couple of years ago. I played around with it in various colors, did some testing and came to the conclusion to not use it.

I decided it was probably a viable finish for furniture, window trim and possibly counter tops but it was not a good maintenance free choice for a floor.

Offline Tayler_mann

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2019, 09:18 PM »
I use it on floors quite a bit and actually have it on my own walnut floor. I absolutely love everything about it; cleaning it, durability, and touch ups. With a normal urethane finish if you scratch it there really isn’t a good repair. I have two dogs and had an area that had a good amount of scratches from their nails. It wasn’t through the finish but it a few were large. I took the RO150 sanded a 3x3 area and refinished with the oil. Within one week you’d never notice it. It was at this point I only suggest it on my hard wood floor finishes.

Offline kaminski1

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2019, 07:04 AM »
I've had serious staining problems with Rubio Monocoat.  See photos.    The coating cannot withstand anything even mildly acidic.  The stains that you see in the photo come from coffee. The stains you see here are AFTER  we used the coating a 2nd time.  I'm waiting for Rubio to come out with a fix for this. 

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2019, 07:32 AM »
In the above, coffee made lighter colored spots? If so, you figure the acid ate the finish rather than pigment in the coffee added to the color?

Offline kaminski1

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2019, 08:06 AM »
No doubt about it, Michael. 

A.   The floor stain is coffee colored, and the stains are lighter.
B.    Other acidic foods make similar and worse stains.
C.     I did a test in a closet using lemon juice.  Same looking stain.

Originially I  thought our finisher did the installation incorrectly so we had them do it again with advice from Rubio.  Same problem.  It's clear to me that Rubio Monocoat has a serious problem with acidic food stains.   I have heard that they're working on a coating.  Not substantiated directly from the company. 

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2019, 12:21 PM »
How long was the coffee left on the floor before it was cleaned up?
How soon after the finish was applied did the problem occur?

Offline kaminski1

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Re: Rubio Monocoat on Flooring
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2019, 10:06 AM »
Not all the stains on our floor are from coffee.  We're not sure which foods stain and which don't but we believe it's foods that are acidic - which are most foods.  We're pretty sure wine stains.   The only test we did was with lemon juice.   And we think that most of our stains have occurred overnight - so we don't have good data on how long it takes.   My wife thinks just an hour will do it.

I don't recall how soon after the floor was finished did the stains start happening.  It was new construction and the floor was finished at least a month before we moved in.  But I do recall the stains showing up soon after we moved in.   And they reoccured quickly after we had the floor re-done -- hard to say because we were extra careful for awhile.