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Offline Untidy Shop

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Velspar and Festool Colors.
« on: July 08, 2014, 09:05 PM »


I understand that Valspar is a US paint company. Recently they took over the Australian Paint company Wattyl.

Can anyone in NA tell me the three Valspar colors that represent the three Festool colors?

Thanks in advance.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2014, 11:30 PM »
Brave move painting your entire house in Festool colours.

Assume you have agreement from your wife in writing [cool]

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2014, 12:23 AM »


Well she has just painted these second hand doors I refurbished, with Dulux. Surely Kev you can see her inspiration!  [big grin]



But the color match is not quite right for Festool and she used oil based. We now sell Valspar  at work but have no spectrometer, hence the question.

I will need some Festool colors for the Untidy Shop before end of year [I hope].  [embarassed]

So back to our NA friends.



« Last Edit: July 09, 2014, 03:31 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Kev

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2014, 07:19 AM »
Ironic that a high school friend of mine left school and joined Wattyl and was still with them last time I touched base with him .... so thats about 3 decades with Wattyl. I must find out what this change means for him.

On a different note ... curious how accurate the iPhone and Android colour capture apps are!

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2014, 09:26 AM »


Thanks for the tip, Kev. Just downloaded Dulux. Valspar, for the moment, appears to be locked out from Australian ITunes. Sure to change in near future.
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Offline Alex

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2014, 09:59 AM »
These are the Festool colours:

RAL 7035 Light Grey
RAL 6018 Yellow Green
RAL 5004 Black Blue

They use the German RAL colour system.

Any good paint store on the world should have these RAL colours programmed into their mixing computer so you can make these colours with almost any brand of paint.


Offline VW MICK

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2014, 05:04 PM »
Thanks Alex

That's really handy information

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2014, 05:37 PM »


Thanks Alex. Great starting point.  [smile]
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Offline FOGNewbie

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 10:42 PM »
I can't help right now, but next time I stop by Hirschfields (in a week?) I will ask a rep there.  Why Hirschfields? They carry Valspar wood finishing products. I may be able to find out more direct information. I believe Valspar has a local manufacturing facility as well.

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2014, 08:50 AM »
These are the Festool colours:

RAL 7035 Light Grey
RAL 6018 Yellow Green
RAL 5004 Black Blue

They use the German RAL colour system.

Any good paint store on the world should have these RAL colours programmed into their mixing computer so you can make these colours with almost any brand of paint.

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   Shane, can we make this info into a Sticky?  Thanks Alex, I would have never known ,or where to look
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Offline crampedshop

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2014, 11:22 AM »
About a month I went to Lowes with a T-Loc connector to have them match the color. The resulting paint was a perfect match for the Festool green. I was wanting to add some color to my French cleats. I would post a pic, but I don't have enough posts to do that. I then thought that I could read the formulation off the label, but the label does not display the formulation.

Bottom line, I got great results for Valspar paint from a Lowes' color computer.

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 09:16 PM »
Any good paint store on the world should have these RAL colours programmed into their mixing computer so you can make these colours with almost any brand of paint.

Ummm....no.

I recently went through this trying to match the paint Crown uses on their forklifts and pallet jacks. I finally had to order the paint direct from Crown.

The RAL color matching system is a European standard that is almost unknown (or at least seldom used and msotly ignored) here in the US. I'd wager that if you walked into 100 stores here that sell paint and asked them to match a RAL color, 95% of them would give you a 'deer in the headlights' blank stare. You might have slightly better luck at an automotive/industrial paint supplier - but I didn't.

You'll most likely find colors spec'd as PMS or Pantone. And if that isn't enough, Sherwin Williams has their own system called SWC.

BTW, my comments are not intended to endorse nor condemn any system. One could argue that this is another 'Imperial vs Metric' situation... and I'd have to 2agree. I only meant to take exception to the statement that "Any good paint store on the world should have these RAL colours programmed into their mixing computer". I don't want people getting frustrated thinking they could walk into one of the three largest sellers of paint in the US and ask for a RAL color. Well, I guess you could ask...

If anyone does, let me know how it turns out?
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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2014, 10:53 PM »



WOW and Alex
Well on Sunday the Paint Manager where I work weekends gave me the 'Deer Look' when I mentioned the RAL system! And it is not on our mixing computer. This only gives mixing codes by manufacturer as in for Valspar, Dulux and Haymes (Small Aust paint company with excellent quality by the way).

So this may not be an imperial metric thing. Might even be a European Union regulation/system for paint.


Thank you to others for your input.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 11:12 PM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Alex

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 09:27 AM »
Guys, I'm sorry to have given the wrong info.

I thought something like this was a no-brainer. Seems I'm spoiled by a zealous paint company (Sikkens) that gives me many options. I was under the impression the important paint manufacturers around the world would at least make sure they could make the most well known systems. Seems it's not.

When I go the the paint store and order Sikkens paint I can choose from dosens and dosens different colour systems from around the world, and the most used are certainly represented. I just thought that would be the same for other manufacturers in this age of information technology.

BTW, my comments are not intended to endorse nor condemn any system. One could argue that this is another 'Imperial vs Metric' situation... and I'd have to 2agree.

Nah, it has nothing to do with a metric vs imperial thing. That's about a well thought-out, logical system versus a tradition carved out over centuries.  [tongue]

Colour systems are generally not logical, it is just a list of colours. Anybody can make his own list, mix a colour and give it a name and a number. In that regard, RAL is one of the oldest systems that was developped by the Germans well before WW2. Because in systematic Germany, everything has to be written down in a book of rules, and that's why that RAL system is the leading standard there for industrial applications. And because Germany is such a big exporter of technology and machines, you'd think the RAL system was also exported. After all, stuff has to be touched up occasionally after use, so you'd think people would want the right colour for that. Guess I'm wrong.

By the way, RAL has nothing to do with a European standard. It is a German standard that is simply very well known and widely used. At least in this region.

I only meant to take exception to the statement that "Any good paint store on the world should have these RAL colours programmed into their mixing computer".

Well, you're right to take exception if you can't find it. Again, my apologies for steering you in the wrong direction.

At least the RAL numbers are the right ones. I took them from the Tanos website.



Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Valspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2014, 10:29 PM »


Alex, there is nothing to be sorry for. The information you provided was based on your experiences. That the FOG brings 'international perspectives' to those of NA. , is surely enriching.

By this I mean that for many discussions, the NA. view is further enriched by perspectives from the UK and Europe, Australia and New Zealand, Sth Africa, Thailand, Japan and . . . .

 [smile]


And now back to my original question?

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 12:49 AM »
Agreed.

Alex, you did nothing wrong, nor do you have anything to be sorry about. You carried your personal experience to what should have been a logical conclusion. But as an international group, we all know (or quickly learn) that logic doesn't always seem to be the driving force behind adoption and availability issies. I am still astounded at how many things (that don't have a power plug on them and therefore don't fall under the 'because we can't get UL approval' excuse) are NAINA.

Perhaps I came off a little short of subtle - which I've been known to do. If so, it is I who should be apologizing, not the other way around. Mea culpa, and my apologies to you.

Now, if you'll go smack somebody at Festool into making more stuff available over here, I'll see what I can do about getting the US to adopt the RAL system.

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2014, 05:39 AM »
I saw Alex's post above giving the Festool colours in the RAL standard. I wanted to use them in Photoshop and so here are the CMYK equivalents:

Festool Green: 70-0-90-0

Festool Grey:   5-0-5-20

Festool Black:  100-100-70-40

Many thanks Alex.


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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors - I cracked Blue - Black.
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2014, 02:10 AM »


Valspar Formula for Festool Blue-Black

After some experimentation with the Valspar Colour Mixer at work (and yes I paid for the result), I think I have found a formula for Festool Blue-Black.

E    2Y + 28
F    9.5
V    2.5
KX 8
B    2Y

Valspar 1litre Exterior Low Sheen, Strong Base
Until the 2Y of Black goes in the mix, the result is a deep navy blue.


Treatment of posts:
Sanded to 180 Grit,  Valspar Primer-Sealer Undercoat, first coat, then two coats of Blue-Black by brush.

Note that given the amount of colourent, drying times are slightly longer. Ambient temperature was in low to mid C20s, over two days. Color goes darker as paint dries.

In the photograph, looking at the result on the posts, compare with the CXS.

« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 02:26 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors - I cracked Blue - Black.
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2014, 03:19 AM »


Valspar Formula for Festool Blue-Black

After some experimentation with the Valspar Colour Mixer at work (and yes I paid for the result), I think I have found a formula for Festool Blue-Black.

E    2Y + 28
F    9.5
V    2.5
KX 8
B    2Y

Valspar 1litre Exterior Low Sheen, Strong Base
Until the 2Y of Black goes in the mix, the result is a deep navy blue.


Treatment of posts:
Sanded to 180 Grit,  Valspar Primer-Sealer Undercoat, first coat, then two coats of Blue-Black by brush.

Note that given the amount of colourent, drying times are slightly longer. Ambient temperature was in low to mid C20s, over two days. Color goes darker as paint dries.

In the photograph, looking at the result on the posts, compare with the CXS.

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Now how about a formula for the Festool green?

 [poke]
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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors - I cracked Festool Blue - Black!
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2014, 03:45 AM »


WOW, After you -  [poke]

Actually I have some green, but fear it is not yet a close enough match for publication.

See - http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/the-tidying-of-the-untidy-shop-project-1/msg323579/#msg323579
# 6  [smile]
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 06:41 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2015, 02:27 PM »
Does anyone have a guess for the medium-gray used in the rubberized parts, like the drill handles?

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Re: Velspar and Festool Colors.
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2015, 03:29 PM »
The closest RAL match in my RAL index is probably 5008 (Grey blue) although it's a little dark. There's certainly nothing else that is the correct grey/blue colour, so it's possible it's just a consequence of the material being coloured.

Anyway, here's a photo, with RAL 5004 (Black blue) and RAL 6018 (Yellow green) against the CSX for comparison.