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festeringcock

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Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« on: April 03, 2008, 10:49 AM »
Anybody else think Schenker is an A1 dickhead??
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 10:49 AM by festeringcock »

Offline John Viola

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 11:19 AM »
I have no opinion.  But it's his site and he can do as he pleases.  I assume this is the last we'll be hearing from you, as well. 

Offline mhch

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2008, 11:23 AM »


 Better to IGNORE him than to echo anything he may post one way or another.

Offline John Viola

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2008, 11:25 AM »
Good point.  I forget sometimes that people love to troll.

Offline Matthew Schenker

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2008, 11:36 AM »
Anybody else think Schenker is an A1 dickhead??

Interesting question....
Anybody think festering will be posting here again?
I'll leave this discussion here, since it's a good illustration of what will cause a total ban.  I am also reporting this to festering's IP.
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« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 11:44 AM by Matthew Schenker »
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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2008, 11:39 AM »
Hopefully never. Fred
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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 11:55 AM »
One last point to everyone...

Obviously, I got a major flood of complaints this morning.  But it's important that people tell me when they see something like this, since I can't always check every discussion myself.  So please continue to report posts like this one to me.

I think I have things cleaned up at this point.

Look at this as a test of the forum's emergency broadcast system.  We need a good drill once in a while!  Thanks to festering for providing a test case.

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2008, 11:59 AM »
I have no opinion.  But it's his site and he can do as he pleases.  I assume this is the last we'll be hearing from you, as well. 

I have an opinion.

Anyone who goes through the trouble to administrate a great forum like this is NOT  a "dickhead", quite the opposite.

Thanks Matthew for a great place to talk with people that have the same interests.

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2008, 12:37 PM »
Matthew, I'm sorry you had to deal with this. But you've handled the whole situation in a gentlemanly, fair manner, and I applaud you for that. This is a wonderful forum that you've put together, enriching the lives and work of hundreds of people. Thank you for all your work on it. I know that the obnoxious actions of a single individual can really ruin your day, even if twenty other people are patting your back and singing your praises. But we certainly appreciate all you do here, and you know you have a great deal of support for your action.

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2008, 12:41 PM »
...even if twenty other people are patting your back and singing your praises.

More like two thousand.

Offline TahoeTwoBears

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2008, 12:48 PM »
Matthew,

Thank you for all of your great work. This forum has been a godsend to me lately since I'm going through a family crisis. This has been the one anchor that I turn to every day. It's nice to find good people with common interests increasing each other's knowledge base. It's a great place to hang out. Please know that you make a GOOD difference in people's lives. I'm actually glad that he (Festering) finally pushed the limits to the point that he's gone for good. None of us need folks like that in our lives.

Thanks again,

Mike

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2008, 01:58 PM »
Matthew,

You've handled this extremely well.  Quite frankly, I don't have anywhere near the patience and consideration that you've shown with this individual.   You've bent over backwards to be fair and reasonable in the face of massive unfairness and unreasonableness.   There's only one immature, idiotic, "dickhead" here and it isn't you.   

He's a sick individual and my guess is that he's done this before.  I think it's like being a sex offender.   Unfortunately most of them cannot be rehabilitated.

For sick person like this, a total ban, as distasteful as it may be, is the only solution. 

Best regards,

Dan.

Offline joraft

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2008, 01:59 PM »
Anybody else think Schenker is an A1 dickhead??


To the contrary, I think if Matthew is guilty of anything at all, it's only of being too nice. I would have pulled the plug on you right at the start, without any second thought.

I have participated in various online forums for many years, and administered a few for several of those years. I quickly learned that there will always be a few characters that show up who have no interest in contributing to the forum, or in making friends with people of similar interests. They just seem to get some sort of kick out of making negative posts and then coming back to watch the disruption they have caused. This type of person rarely changes, and when they get bounced they often come back under a new name (sometimes thinly disguised).

Fortunately, the vast majority of forum participants are usually good people with a sincere desire to share information, help others, and make friends. And it is the administrator who has the task of being diligent (and somewhat unforgiving) in getting rid of the parasites and EVERY trace of their activity, and do it very quickly, if a forum is to remain enjoyable for the good people.

I have always likened the behavior of these miscreants to that of those who splatter graffiti in our neighborhoods.  They also get their kicks from forcing others to read their garbage, with little regard for how much they degrade an area. In my own community we have a large team of volunteers that can usually get graffiti removed within hours. We have found that at some point the effort to replace their work becomes too great for the short time they get to enjoy what they have done, so they move on.


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Offline Daviddubya

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 03:03 PM »
Festering-whatever is obviously a troll.  I'm glad to see him gone.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 03:04 PM by Daviddubya »
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Offline CharlesWilson

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RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2008, 04:14 PM »
Festering-whatever is obviously a troll.  I'm glad to see him gone.

David, you are not being fair to trolls.

Charles
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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2008, 04:56 PM »
Matthew,
              you have had the patinece of a saint with this guy and given him several chances GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2008, 08:37 PM »
Hi,

   Yup, I would have axed him some time ago.  Good job Matthew. I just hope he does not continually find a way around the ban.  Another forum that I was on had a guy like this and for at least a year he managed to keep reappearing under different names etc.


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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2008, 09:08 PM »
Matt,  I don't even know what is going on here, but I feel this website is the best thing that has happened to my business, career goals and aspirations as well as my hobbies and overall lifestyle.  Besides spending net worth on festool. 
 
If I needed to know the answer to why is Festering Dickhead a tool?  This would be the first place I would go and get the answer from a group full of courteous people who take there time to help others better themselves.  Well done Matt.  Thank you

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Re: RE: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2008, 07:49 AM »
Matthew,

Thank you for all of your great work. This forum has been a godsend to me lately since I'm going through a family crisis. This has been the one anchor that I turn to every day. It's nice to find good people with common interests increasing each other's knowledge base. It's a great place to hang out. Please know that you make a GOOD difference in people's lives. I'm actually glad that he (Festering) finally pushed the limits to the point that he's gone for good. None of us need folks like that in our lives.

Thanks again,

Mike

I second all of that above. Everybody here and the forum itself helped me through my international move and has been one stable thing in my life for the last year. Thanks again Matthew, you know I think you do a great job, rest assured anytime you have to make a hard decision like this there's no one to help you make it, but plenty to help you get through making it.  :D
As usual, all I can do is say keep up the great, great work.
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2008, 08:32 AM »
Well done Matthew, and I hope that that person does not, somehow, sneek in here again.
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2008, 11:53 AM »
Well done Matthew, and I hope that that person does not, somehow, sneek in here again.

If he does I am going to use all restraint not make a post in response, I already have enough. He obviously enjoys ruffling feathers and I am not going to give him the satisfaction anymore.

Nickao
« Last Edit: April 04, 2008, 12:17 PM by nickao »
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Offline John Langevin

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2008, 12:02 PM »
 >:( >:(Bailiff whack his pee-pee and see if it festers then! Good riddance!

It is the only negative thing to occur here since I joined.

Matthew you handled it very well as always, please keep up the great work that benefits all of us!
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Offline iggy07

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2008, 12:48 PM »
Quote is from an earlier "I am being monitored" thread.

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from Reply #27 this thread:
 

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NOTE:  . . . . with flame throwers, the discussion takes quite a different course. They will keep needling, and poking, and jabbing, just to see how long they can keep the turmoil and disruption going. They delight in seeing prior forum members entering into the fray, and fighting with each other! And rarely, if ever, will you find them making any sort of positive contribution to the group. In fact, they will often just fade away into the night, reveling over the stink bomb they just tossed into the coffee shop. End result? They're gone, and we're still bitching at each other!

Anyone wanna take odds on this one?


The betting windows are still open!

The betting window is now closed.

Great job Matthew! If anything, it sounds like the consensus indicates that, if anything, you were too lenient. This consensus does not come across as a criticism, but simply a minor preference. And, of course, some did not agree with any 'censorship' at all. Bottom line: This forum is so successful, and so congenial, and so helpful, SOLELY due to your core principles, your hard work, and a multitude of fair and reasonable decisions that guide this forum on a daily basis. When you are considering changes, you always solicit our opinions -- much appreciated. Whether you do this or not, however,  I have TOTAL CONFIDENCE in your ability to keep things on track.

At this point, I would support (99%) anything Matthew decided to do, at any time, under any circumstances, for any reason, just because he is Matthew, he has earned our trust, he has worked hard for us, and he has demonstrated that he is fair and reasonable under difficult circumstances. (The 1% is reserved for offering respectful opinions from time to time.)

Great job Matthew!

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2008, 11:43 PM »
Even before this whole "PesteringFool" fiasco began, I had often felt that this board has shown a great sense of right and wrong.  Let's face it, aside from special rules that apply to sales-related posters, the typical poster only has three rules to follow -- two are common to many forums that are not specifically for those topics, and the third must surely be unique to this forum and has earned its place amongst these rules.  But, that still leaves much left in the free-for-all category...

This example is not the first problem that has occurred here, yet, like this action, previous issues have been dealt with directly and appropriately (well, at least in my opinion).  Some have made remarks about products from a country other than their own, and wrote questionable comments about the people of those countries.  In each occurrence, posting members on this board have responded and pointed out the errors.  Other kinds of situations have come and gone, but though those times this board has stood her ground.  I have not spent any time on other woodworking forums once I found the FOG, as each of those boards I viewed did not seem a place I wanted to hang around.  The FOG's more unique rule on posting may have made some here quick to take action on posts that hint of trouble.  Sometimes a new unsuspecting poster may get a hasty education, but in addressing each issue in the mannor that this board has from time to time, this board has remained a great place to interact with others interested in Festools.

Matthew, THANK YOU for creating such a great forum.  And thanks to one and all for keeping it so.

Corwin

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2008, 08:23 AM »
Everyone,
Thanks for your support and input on this situation.  It does offer an opportunity to reflect on what we've created here...

My goal, from the very beginning, was to have members -- not a set of rules -- define the culture, attitude, and reputation of this forum.  To do that, I knew I had to leave as much as possible open to individual choices.  Following all discussions here on the forum, and also considering my massive offline correspondence with members (about 100 e-mails a month) I have tried to get a sense of what people want, finding trends in members' wishes.  Bit by bit, I've tried to have the forum reflect the general sense of what I'm hearing from people, online and offline.  What I hear is that people want both sides: structure and openness.  The tricky part is creating enough rules and definitions so that people feel they are entering a space with a particular character and structure, but leave things open enough that every member actually has a stake in the character of this forum.

I'm not naive about human nature!  I know openness is a double-edged sword: you have the possibility of creating a very unique space, but you also run the risk of having that space abused by those who don't respect it.  My belief was that, once the culture of the forum was established, members would feel a sense of ownership in this forum and therefore any abuses would be apparent and the correction naturally taken care of.

At this point, I think we've been successful at creating a truly member-driven forum -- a space you want to be in because of the people and the culture as much as the subject matter itself.  With that said, I'll admit that there have been a few times when I was struck by the fact that, no matter how open this forum is, sometimes there's something I must do, plain and simple.  Sometimes, I just have to wield those administrative powers!  It can be a bit lonely, but the careful use of that power is also a reflection of what members want.  If I did not act at those times, it would be worse for the openness we all value.  Again, members want openness and structure and the same time.

As I said, this situation was a wonderful test case.  This discussion can stand as a record of the process we all went through, and we can use it as reference if a similar situation arises in the future.

Running the Festool Owners Group has taught me a lot!

Matthew
« Last Edit: April 07, 2008, 08:25 AM by Matthew Schenker »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Example of What Causes a Total Ban
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2008, 09:31 AM »

I have not spent any time on other woodworking forums once I found the FOG, as each of those boards I viewed did not seem a place I wanted to hang around.  The FOG's more unique rule on posting may have made some here quick to take action on posts that hint of trouble.  Sometimes a new unsuspecting poster may get a hasty education, but in addressing each issue in the mannor that this board has from time to time, this board has remained a great place to interact with others interested in Festools.

Matthew, THANK YOU for creating such a great forum.  And thanks to one and all for keeping it so.

Corwin

I concur 100%.