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Offline Michael Kellough

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IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« on: July 14, 2019, 09:49 PM »
This applies to SEKTION kitchen cabinets only. The PAX cabinets still conform to the 32mm system.

Haven’t bought any IKEA cabinets in decades. Wanted to add some storage to my utility room quickly and needed an in-between size. The IKEA ready-to-assemble stuff is easy to cut down, cheap, and packaged in clean neat bundles so I bought some nominal 24” deep base cabinets to get the 20” that would fit.

Get out the holey rail and LR32 kit to restore the columns of cut off shelf pin holes and discover the mismatch. I guess when IKEA Americanized their cabinets for the the US market (how about you Canada?) they adjusted the hole pattern too. Now the pitch is 1-1/4” instead of 32mm. A difference of a fat 1/4mm but it adds up fast.

I’ll only use a few shelves so I’ll just add holes where needed.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2019, 09:30 PM by Michael Kellough »

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Offline Rollin22Petes

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 10:05 PM »
That's really strange as far as I know all line boring, and cnc machines are set up for 32mm worldwide. Not to mention pretty much all hardware is set for 32mm system. I have a large cnc and I can place at holes 1.25'' but I have to bore them individually instead of 10 at once since the machine is built for 32mm.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2019, 10:07 PM »
Which IKEA cabinets?

I have measured their stuff a ton and their kitchen system is very much still metric.  Just the width changes to some of the North American widths.  They really couldn't change it if the even wanted to since they don't make the hardware that goes with it.  When they went to the new kitchen system a few years ago they shifted the placement of the 32mm hole spacing from the previous system, but still very much metric design.  Actually the whole system got a bit more metric, they made it even more the same as the Global system, less alterations than the previous one. Unless you get a part that is directly driven by the width changes to the Base 3" setup, it's the same part as other countries get.

Now some of the other systems like PAX might get weird.  I have never understood why IKEA doesn't use the same stuff for everything.  I don't know if they have any US only offerings, but even then I can't imagine they would go 1 1/4, who uses such a spacing?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2019, 01:54 PM »
“...can't imagine they would go 1 1/4”

Just divide 30” (base cabinet side) by 24 increments and you get 1.25”.

Also bought a 40” wall cabinet which has 32 increments and should also have a 1.25” hole pitch but it’s a little off and then there is an adjustment in the middle of the pattern removing about a mm between a pair of holes. No idea why that happened whether done by CNC or line boring machine.

I wondered if the whole thing was cut via CNC but looking at the larger holes, (8mm and 15mm) the bottoms of the holes show evidence of full diameter boring bits.

Manufacturing data printed on the back edge of parts says IKEA SEKTION, Made in USA, June 11, 2019 (I simplified and shortened for clarity).
« Last Edit: July 15, 2019, 03:25 PM by Michael Kellough »

Offline usernumber1

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2019, 02:55 PM »
canada pax from few years ago - 32mm

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2019, 09:03 PM »
I wonder if this is a mess up and IKEA is going to end up with a recall.  This is going to completely trash their drawer systems.  I don't think this is intentional, I wonder if something at the plant got messed up and they didn't catch it.

I would try to reach out to IKEA as even a heads up for them. I know this is almost impossible as IKEA has no forward facing office for people to contact.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2019, 09:28 PM »
This 1.25” hole pitch is probably limited to kitchen cabinets designed for the US market.

I’m not real familiar with the IKEA product/brand range so I don’t know if SEKTION is limited to kitchen cabinets or if it is available elsewhere.

The PAX range of cabinets aren’t required to meet specific height targets (no kitchen cabinets) so there’s no need to change the hole pitch from the usual 32mm.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2019, 10:56 PM »
Sektion is the North American name for the same kitchen system they use in Europe.  They just change widths, to be the 3" increments instead of being based around the European 600mm width baseline.  I have measured the Sektion many times, it's very much 32mm, and so is the blum hardware it runs.  They can't just do a running change on this as it would break the whole system, and all the parts.  Most the metric aspect of it people would never notice without actively thinking to look for it or putting a metric tape on it.

It's been out for 5 years and part of the whole concept is you can swap stuff around later, buy different parts and the like. Huge selling point. If they did a running change like that the internet would blow up and 3rd parties like Semi-Handmade would go nuts.

It looks much more like something has messed up at the factory and some bad parts are being made.  Go back to ikea with metric tape and measure the stuff in store, maybe take your photo with you to show them something is not right.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2019, 09:57 AM »
Amazingly topical news I see this morning.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/business/ikea-us-factory-closing/index.html

IKEA is closing the plant that currently makes the cabinets for Sektion in the North America.  If the place is now making wonked parts, this is probably a good time for this.

I get why they had it, just the sheer shipping cost of moving the big stuff (panels) around the world and with the kitchens being their big seller, it makes sense to have.  But looks like the math got to where it wasn't working.  I wonder if long term IKEA will decided to stop adjusting the widths and just sell the Global version direct and start selling 600mm wide appliances here, I wish they had done that from the start as a way to push a phase out of North American only sized appliances so we could have global options.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2019, 11:09 AM »
I was glad to see IKEA bring (to Elizabeth NJ some thirty years ago) European design (especially bathroom cabinets) but that style increasingly (sometimes lurchingly) is becoming Americanized and thus less appealing.

Can’t deny the exceptional value though.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: IKEA US shelf pin hole pattern is ALMOST 32mm
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2019, 09:18 PM »
I agree that bringing frameless cabinets to the forefront in this country was big.  I think they have hurt things at time by bringing some really off looking and cheesy door options, which then get people thinking that is what frameless looks like... so that hurts progress.  It probably also helps some traditional cabinet makers as it makes what they make more special and different from the frameless stuff.

Like I mentioned above, it gets frustrating when you see the appliances and such you can get elsewhere in the world, where they largely standardize on widths, which makes kitchen layout work so much better,  no 24" washer, 30" oven, 33" fridge, 36" cooktop non-sense.  They had the opportunity to bring built in fridges to the US.  Just imagine them bringing a ~1200 USD built in fridge to the market when right now the cheapest options are 5-6000 USD.  I think they could have changed the landscape there a lot of they had pushed it instead of caving to the North American norms.  At the same time it is a frustration they skipped common US sizes for things do to their door commonality plan, so no 6", 9",  27", 33" , 39" cabinets, which for a lot of kitchens is a killer. In the end I gave up one trying to get their parts to work and decided to just make all the cabinets for my house.

That said, it's not like IKEA is ditching the kitchens (that would be insane), and maybe with production shifting back closer to the mothership, maybe they will re-think a bit and suddenly they will start marketing some built in 24" appliances for the kitchens. Be just like dishwashers, we get global 600mm dishwashers, because manufactures just re-label them 24", but they don't do other things.  I can see a lot of US households liking the idea of having multiple combo washer/dryers in their house verses 1 big washer and 1 big dryer.  I know a lot of folks would like to see nice, yet small fridges return, you can't even buy a single door 36" fridge anymore unless you pay for a 5-6K high end fridge, 33" fridges are getting rare.