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Offline DynaGlide

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Vac Sys mobile cart
« on: February 13, 2019, 10:18 AM »
I know there's a lot of threads being revived about a Vac Sys station and rather than add on to the others I'll just start my own. I've been thinking about making one ever since I got the unit back in September mainly because I wanted something I could move around with me as my needs during a project change. Having it fixed to one location in my space was problematic because I found if I had stuff on the adjacent bench then I'd have to move it to use the clamping module.

I came across a nifty Shaper Origin cart that @neilc designed over on the Origin forum and thought it'd make a good base for what I was after.



I exchanged a few emails and texts with him and he was generous enough to share his SketchUp file with me. I have the base unit completed and going to put it to use for a bit before I decide how I want to attach a top to work with the Vac Sys module beneath. Neil and I have already bounced some ideas on that back and forth but I feel I need to use it for a bit before I settle on a design.

Both sections on the sides are line bored for Sys AZ drawers should I want to house some systainers in the future. The back is line bored for shelving as well. Here's some pictures:















Being relatively new to woodworking this was the most complicated project I've taken on. I made some mistakes but nothing I couldn't recover from. The glue up did not go well mostly due to my inexperience. Too many pieces fitting together with Dominos plus the back panel. I'll make some design changes next time something like this comes up and plan better.

As Sedge would say. . .I hope this helps!

« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 10:23 AM by DynaGlide »
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Offline thedevme

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2019, 10:39 AM »
I might be the cause of some of the Vac Sys revivals lol.  I just ordered mine today.  Thank you for posting your cart looks great.  I think I will do something similar that is simple and then use it for a bit.  This way I can really understand how it will work for me before I spend money on a nice cart I may not use.  Thanks for sharing again. @DynaGlide

Offline neilc

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2019, 11:09 AM »
Looks great Matt!  Glad the plans helped out.

Did you edge-band the sheets? 

I like how you used the router to bore the inserts for the casters.  Nice clean and manageable way to do that.

neil

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2019, 11:17 AM »
Looks great Matt!  Glad the plans helped out.

Did you edge-band the sheets? 

I like how you used the router to bore the inserts for the casters.  Nice clean and manageable way to do that.

neil

Thanks Neil. I'm really happy with how it has turned out so far.

Yes I picked up an MFK 700 for edge banding around the same time as the Vac Sys. It's a dream using them together on panels.

I know from past experience I'm no good at drilling straight holes so I went with the router for the inserts. The bit was pricey but I figure it'll get used on every cart type thing I end up building. The hardest part was lining the router up to my layout lines so close to the edge of the material. Sort of get it close as you can and cross your fingers type of thing.
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Offline neilc

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 11:19 AM »
You are now 'all in' on this woodworking thing and it shows.

When you get your Shaper, those kinds of caster inserts become really easy!  I did mine with the Shaper.  But did not do inserts which I think is a great idea.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 12:35 PM »
Sweet job, Matt!!!   [smile]
- Willy -

 "Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up." - Brigham Young

Offline thedevme

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 01:18 PM »
Looks great Matt!  Glad the plans helped out.

Did you edge-band the sheets? 

I like how you used the router to bore the inserts for the casters.  Nice clean and manageable way to do that.

neil

Thanks Neil. I'm really happy with how it has turned out so far.

Yes I picked up an MFK 700 for edge banding around the same time as the Vac Sys. It's a dream using them together on panels.

I know from past experience I'm no good at drilling straight holes so I went with the router for the inserts. The bit was pricey but I figure it'll get used on every cart type thing I end up building. The hardest part was lining the router up to my layout lines so close to the edge of the material. Sort of get it close as you can and cross your fingers type of thing.

@DynaGlide I am in the same spot where I am looking to get a drill press and I am not sure why in the world I didn't think of just using my router.  Which do you use for drilling and would you recommend it over buying a drill press. To me, it seems like a no brainer to buy an extra router vs a drill press.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 02:42 PM »
Looks great Matt!  Glad the plans helped out.

Did you edge-band the sheets? 

I like how you used the router to bore the inserts for the casters.  Nice clean and manageable way to do that.

neil

Thanks Neil. I'm really happy with how it has turned out so far.

Yes I picked up an MFK 700 for edge banding around the same time as the Vac Sys. It's a dream using them together on panels.

I know from past experience I'm no good at drilling straight holes so I went with the router for the inserts. The bit was pricey but I figure it'll get used on every cart type thing I end up building. The hardest part was lining the router up to my layout lines so close to the edge of the material. Sort of get it close as you can and cross your fingers type of thing.

@DynaGlide I am in the same spot where I am looking to get a drill press and I am not sure why in the world I didn't think of just using my router.  Which do you use for drilling and would you recommend it over buying a drill press. To me, it seems like a no brainer to buy an extra router vs a drill press.

I actually don't own a drill press. And if I did I wouldn't want to try to wrangle a large panel on it. The downside to using a router is it is clunky to clamp the router in place near the edge of the material, but it works, and the spiral bits for this kind of operation can be expensive. But I really didn't have a good way of doing it otherwise.
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Offline neilc

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 02:46 PM »
Matt - Just realized an alternative way you could have secured the router for hole plunging like you did for the caster inserts...

What if you clamped a rail across the piece and used the guides and rods you have and two of the rail clamps that come with the saw / router to slide the router along the rail, index to the hole you wanted, then clamp in place with the rail clamps on either side of the rail guide and plunge.  That should give you dimensional stability in two directions for the plunge.




Offline nvalinski

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 03:22 PM »
Matt - Just realized an alternative way you could have secured the router for hole plunging like you did for the caster inserts...

What if you clamped a rail across the piece and used the guides and rods you have and two of the rail clamps that come with the saw / router to slide the router along the rail, index to the hole you wanted, then clamp in place with the rail clamps on either side of the rail guide and plunge.  That should give you dimensional stability in two directions for the plunge.

You can also use two anti kickback stops to prevent the guide stop from moving instead of clamps.

Offline neilc

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2019, 03:36 PM »

You can also use two anti kickback stops to prevent the guide stop from moving instead of clamps.

Yes - that's what I was thinking about!  Forgot the name for those stops..

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 03:43 PM »
I tried that but with the router hanging over the edge there is nowhere for the leveling foot to rest. I don't own the thicker base.

Next tine I'll put another 3/4 sheet against it for support. I wasn't thinking clearly.
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Offline thedevme

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2019, 10:33 AM »
I know there's a lot of threads being revived about a Vac Sys station and rather than add on to the others I'll just start my own. I've been thinking about making one ever since I got the unit back in September mainly because I wanted something I could move around with me as my needs during a project change. Having it fixed to one location in my space was problematic because I found if I had stuff on the adjacent bench then I'd have to move it to use the clamping module.

I came across a nifty Shaper Origin cart that @neilc designed over on the Origin forum and thought it'd make a good base for what I was after.



I exchanged a few emails and texts with him and he was generous enough to share his SketchUp file with me. I have the base unit completed and going to put it to use for a bit before I decide how I want to attach a top to work with the Vac Sys module beneath. Neil and I have already bounced some ideas on that back and forth but I feel I need to use it for a bit before I settle on a design.

Both sections on the sides are line bored for Sys AZ drawers should I want to house some systainers in the future. The back is line bored for shelving as well. Here's some pictures:















Being relatively new to woodworking this was the most complicated project I've taken on. I made some mistakes but nothing I couldn't recover from. The glue up did not go well mostly due to my inexperience. Too many pieces fitting together with Dominos plus the back panel. I'll make some design changes next time something like this comes up and plan better.

As Sedge would say. . .I hope this helps!

By any chance, can you share the sketch file or post the dimensions.  I am getting some plywood in tomorrow and would love to so this as well. Also, the wood you are using is that Birch or Baltic Birch?

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2019, 11:04 AM »
If you head on over to https://community.shapertools.com/t/shaper-station-prototype-now-with-sketchup-plans/1214/27 you will find @neilc original thread about this unit where he posted the file. The only thing I changed was I converted it to metric.

I added the knockout panel and Sys AZ drawer for bench dog and related storage:



I also ordered some 10" drawer slides so I can incorporate a drawer in the middle above the foot pedal like Neil did in his. He said this is his most used bench and I can see why. I plan on keeping all my tapes, pencils, dogs, fasteners, etc in it and pulling it out whenever I work on a project. I'd love to get a Sortainer T-loc 4 to help but $170 is kind of silly for a plastic box.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2019, 11:07 AM by DynaGlide »
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Offline thedevme

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 11:13 AM »
If you head on over to https://community.shapertools.com/t/shaper-station-prototype-now-with-sketchup-plans/1214/27 you will find @neilc original thread about this unit where he posted the file. The only thing I changed was I converted it to metric.

I added the knockout panel and Sys AZ drawer for bench dog and related storage:



I also ordered some 10" drawer slides so I can incorporate a drawer in the middle above the foot pedal like Neil did in his. He said this is his most used bench and I can see why. I plan on keeping all my tapes, pencils, dogs, fasteners, etc in it and pulling it out whenever I work on a project. I'd love to get a Sortainer T-loc 4 to help but $170 is kind of silly for a plastic box.

Thank you! Are you adding a top?
« Last Edit: February 14, 2019, 11:32 AM by thedevme »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2019, 11:25 AM »
Eventually. Haven't worked it out.
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Offline neilc

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2019, 01:01 PM »
If you can't access the file on Shaper's community, here's a link to the Shaper Station on my Google Drive.  You can download from here.  This version has some slight tweaks based on Matt finding some issues with the file posted on the Shaper forum.  So it's more accurate, but I'd suggest you still confirm as you go...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yJP11aBkATwLvllqEfJO6rC9CRXQ6zvy/view?usp=sharing


More photos of the completed bench are in this thread - http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-how-to/mft3-users/msg547589/#msg547589
« Last Edit: February 14, 2019, 01:07 PM by neilc »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2019, 02:13 PM »
The hardest part was lining the router up to my layout lines so close to the edge of the material. Sort of get it close as you can and cross your fingers type of thing.

Here's an alternative method that I use a lot.
1. Mark your centerlines as you've noted with a SHARP pencil, then take a small sharp awl or Starrett scribe and mark the center points of all the marked holes.
2. Place the appropriate sized brad point drill bit through a centering jig. I prefer the jigs that Big Gator manufactures.
3. Extend the drill bit thru the jig and it's point will locate itself in the prick mark you made with the Starrett scribe.
4. Flip the jig and drill bit over and place it on the top surface and secure with a clamp.
5. Drill hole and proceed to the next centerline.

It actually takes a lot longer to read the above process than to perform the process. If executed properly, the hole centers will fall within .005"-.008" or less of the original location.  [smile]  No more placing the router and crossing your fingers.

Very nice job on the cabinet by the way. Me likeee. [thumbs up]





« Last Edit: March 05, 2019, 01:43 PM by Cheese »

Offline thedevme

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2019, 02:33 PM »
The hardest part was lining the router up to my layout lines so close to the edge of the material. Sort of get it close as you can and cross your fingers type of thing.

Here's an alternative method that I use a lot.
1. Mark your centerlines as you've noted with a SHARP pencil, then take a small sharp awl or Starrett scribe and mark the center points of all the marked holes.
2. Place the appropriate sized brad point drill bit through a centering jig. I prefer the jigs that Big Gator manufactures.
3. Extend the drill bit thru the jig and it's point will locate itself in the prick mark you made with the Starrett scribe.
4. Flip the jig and drill bit over and place it on the top surface and secure with a clamp.
5. Drill hole and proceed to the next centerline.

It actually takes a lot longer to read the above process than to perform the process. If executed properly, the hole centers will fall within .005"-.008" or less of the original location.  [smile]  No more placing the router and crossing your fingers.

Very nice job on the cabinet by the way. Me likeee. [thumbs up]

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@Cheese This is hilarious I just found this yesterday and ordered one. Thank you for posting I looked for others but couldnt find them.  I will look more on amazon.

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2019, 02:46 PM »
This is hilarious I just found this yesterday and ordered one. Thank you for posting I looked for others but couldnt find them.  I will look more on amazon.

They're sold in two versions. One is the jig by itself and the other one is in a plastic case. There's maybe a 50 cent difference in price.
I prefer the cased version because it does a better job in protecting the jig from rust. The metal they use doesn't rust easily because of the alloys in the material.

I purchase them directly from Big Gator.

https://biggatortools.com


Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2019, 07:23 PM »
More progress










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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2019, 03:29 PM »
All wrapped up on this one. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.







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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2019, 03:34 PM »
Nice, very nice.

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2019, 04:14 PM »
Nice indeed!

With all these VAC-Sys pictures floating around, one might get a severe case of tool envy.

Offline neilc

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2019, 05:14 PM »
Looks great, Matt -

Question - how do you secure the extra heads on the vertical surface?   

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2019, 08:56 PM »
Thank you for the kind words. @neilc I experimented with routing a recessed pocket the diameter of the base of the heads but ended up using 1 3/8 dowel stock which is loose inside each head and wrapped it with friction tape from 3M.

They are held snug to each dowel and easy to remove.

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Offline thedevme

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2019, 01:20 PM »
All wrapped up on this one. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.







@DynaGlide  I haven't had to the time to reply yet but this build is absolutely beautiful.  Did you wing it for the top since this is not the same as the original model.  I am literally planning on doing this build next week I absolutely love it.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2019, 01:33 PM »
@DynaGlide  I haven't had to the time to reply yet but this build is absolutely beautiful.  Did you wing it for the top since this is not the same as the original model.  I am literally planning on doing this build next week I absolutely love it.

Very kind words. I haven't had a lot of use with the cart yet but I'm thrilled with how it has turned out. What do you mean about winging the top?

Here are the differences from Neil's design:

Vac Sys integration (different drawer, holes cut for hose routing)
No 20mm holes in top
I used plywood for the entirety of the frame for the MDF top. Neil used plywood for the interior frame but the outer perimeter that receives the T track he used maple hardwood. I don't have the tools to mill lumber for that purpose so I went with what I had. The top frame has a little flex in the middle if you lean on it but I don't think it will be an issue. I did reinforce the middle underneath the top with a cross member using pocket screws.

The dimensions overall are pretty much the same as well I may have changed this or that as I went. I did try to stick to the overall height of his since it's designed to clear the MFT/3 table ~900mm.

I have the ability to bore the 20mm holes in the MDF I just chose not to. I figure I could use a bench surface without holes in it in my shop.

The shop is still growing. Haven't been in the house a year even.


« Last Edit: March 05, 2019, 02:25 PM by DynaGlide »
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Offline neilc

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2019, 05:34 PM »
Matt -

That fits nicely in the space.  BTW, I redid the vacSys holder I had made from the Conturo manual a year or two ago similar to yours to enable quick drop-in similar to what Festool does on their road shows.  And I made it fit on the front of the mobile cart like yours rather than my MFT table.  I did add a block on the bottom rear to brace against the middle shelf and it made a big difference in the rigidity.  I think you set your top back to be flush with the front of the cabinet which was a good idea.

Thanks for the inspiration and evolution of the design!

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Vac Sys mobile cart
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2019, 10:08 AM »
Hey @DynaGlide Matt, you end up with a very sweet cart.
Mario