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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« on: June 01, 2019, 07:47 AM »
Hi all, I've mentioned in various threads about the overheating with my older Fein 18 volt Supercuts (AFSC18) and it was a mix of loving the power of the tools but, the frustration of the overheating and melting. I think I may of even said I wouldn't buy Fein again which was probably out of frustration, as when my issues started, Fein were already getting ready to launch a new and improved model, with the included upgrades, mainly a shock absorber, or anti vibe if you like, that I'd suggested it needed in many exchanges with Fein UK.

I have muddled along still using the old ones, replacing the body casing when needed but, recently both of the machines have wires breaking because of the years of vibration in use. I normally open them up and re solder but, the solder makes the wire brittle and snaps even more easily.
So apart from a few cordless Makita multi tools as spares, I was getting frustrated again with the Supercuts. Somebody who works for me, bought the newer (current) model a good while ago, and teased me that I really wanted one, despite me saying never again.

He may of been right? what I really wanted was something of the same or more power, that wouldn't melt  ;)

I have, after reading and taking part in the Supercut and Vecturo threads, been looking at both machines more closely again. I was going to buy one of each but, I have very few Festool batteries, a vast amount of Makita batteries and a fair few Fein. I wouldn't consider another Makita multi tool as they are not in the league of Vecturo or Supercut. So I got a deal on the Fein anniversary set in two systainers.
To me, this seemed better value for what are almost identical machines.

After using the new machine, quite extensively recently, I have come to the conclusion that it is a vast improvement on the previous model. The anti vibe works well, there is still vibration, which I think would be difficult to eliminate completely with such a tool but, it's nothing like it's predecessor. This is what I wanted the predecessor to be, powerful but, comfortable to use.

The blade change is so simple, the blades snap in and are held very firmly and safely in place by the new mechanism. The blades can be snapped in at more or less any angle, and releasing the blade is also very easy, by pulling the lock lever back.
This machine and the Vecturo, can use the whole range of Starlock blades but, it can only use Starlock blades, non of the old type blades can be used. The blade patent is still tied to Fein and Bosch, which is a small niggle as it keeps the cost high but, not a real issue, as I'll buy more in bulk to keep the tax man happy.

I noticed the lock lever is now plastic instead of the alloy the previous machine had, in honesty this was one of the things that put me off the latest Vecturo. I was worried over nothing though, as the new blade locking mechanism, means the leaver doesn't need to be made super strong. The old machine required a fair bit of pull to release the lever and mechanism, so the alloy lever made sense. The new machine requires very little effort or pull to release the blade, so the plastic is more than strong enough. So don't worry if you're a long time user, and notice the plastic lever, it's fine on both the Supercut and Vecturo.

Battery life seems on par, or possibly better than the previous model, and using the tool for prolonged periods isn't a problem, both in battery life or overheating issues.
Battery charging time (5ah) is about 45mins IIRC with the supplied ALG50 charger, the optional ALG80 will charge them faster though.
The two systainers in this kit are very handy and keep things tidy.
I think Fein have nailed it with this machine, and it's restored my faith in them.
I would now happily buy another Supercut or an 18 volt Vecturo, these two are without doubt the best cordless multi tools available bar none.
The current Multimaster is also a vast improvement on the previous model but, the Supercut and Vecturo are where the power is.

We will definitely be buying another cordless multi tool but, I can't decide between another Supercut, or the Vecturo, it's only the lack of batteries stopping me buying the Vecturo.

Anyway, hope this might help anybody thinking about a new cordless Supercut, or the Vecturo as they really are almost the same machine.  [thumbs up]

Btw, does anybody know for sure if the latest Vecturo plunge base will fit and work with the latest cordless Supercut?


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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2019, 11:16 AM »
Thanks updating your thought on this machine.

I just wish you’d get your hands on the top-of-line Bosch. In their literature Bosch puts more emphasis on vibration reduction Fein does.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2019, 12:03 PM »
Thanks Michael, I'll have to find a Bosch to try before buying the second machine  [thumbs up]

Offline RKA

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2019, 12:34 PM »
Funny, I just took delivery of a new 18v supercut. It will be replacing a 10 year old multi master and a super cut of similar age. Neither get used frequently but when you need it, it saves the day. I wasn’t thrilled with yet another battery platform, but there was no question I wanted cordless. I went for the 2.5ah batteries because the smaller size and weight are more important than run time. I was similarly surprised by the reduced vibrations and the ease of changing blades. I always hated the stiff lever on the older machines, so this is a welcome change. I haven’t had a chance to put it through it’s paces yet, but it appears to deliver the power on my test cuts despite the small batteries.

I believe there is a single thread on the FOG which discusses the new vecturo released in Europe and it mentioned the accessories do fit the new Supercuts. I could be misremembering though?  If I find it when I get to a computer I’ll post the link.
-Raj

Offline RobBob

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2019, 12:44 PM »
@Jiggy Joiner

Fein anniversary set?  Are there any left?

Do you know if that was ever available in the states?

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2019, 03:43 PM »
@RKA Yes, the difference when operating the locking lever was surprisingly much more easy. I imagined it would be like the previous model too, which as you say was way too stiff to operate. The 2.5ah batteries give decent run time too, I’ve used with my older machines when needed.
Enjoy your new machine, I’m sure you’ll be very happy with it  [thumbs up]

@RobBob Hi there, yes it is the anniversary set. I’m not certain but, I think a member on here from the USA bought a set?
The place I bought mine from was low stock but, another supplier, just a few days ago, told me they have 38 sets in stock. If I hear of, or find a US supplier, I’ll post here immediately.

Offline RKA

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2019, 06:56 PM »
@Jiggy Joiner Here is the thread I was thinking of. Reply #40 in case I didn’t link directly to the post.  The new Festool accessory mount fits right on the supercut and then the plunge base or dust collection can attach.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/new-cordless-vecturo-officially-announced/msg575964/#msg575964
-Raj

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 03:07 AM »
@RKA Thank you very much.
Much appreciated  [thumbs up]

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2019, 02:41 PM »
Thanks for the pointer RKA, it arrived today.

The Vecturo OSC 18 accessory set:




















I wasn’t sure I’d need these accessories but, now I can see lots of opportunities where they would be very welcomed, and more than useful.
I felt a bit like when I bought my first multi tool, in no time at all, I wondered how I’d managed for ages, without one? Then I remembered the accessory set hasn’t been out for ages  [doh]

Seriously though, I’m very pleased with the set, and the bonus is, although there’s some plastic, the majority is metal!
I have had the chance this week, to try out the Vecturo OSC 18. As I was expecting, it is very similar in use to the Supercut. Same power, about the same amount of vibration and noise, it feels very similar in the hands too. Really nice machine, and confirmed to me that I’d happily own one or the Supercut, or both! 
I guess it depends on the individual, preference and even battery platform?
There really is very little between them, and they are basically the same machine.We do need another, so I am going to try and have a look or a trial with the Bosch machine, before buying another
[thumbs up]
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Offline Vondawg

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2019, 05:43 PM »
Great post/pics “JJ “ thanks ! ....should of know  my plugged in Fein would get replaced
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2019, 06:25 PM »
Thanks Vondawg  [thumbs up]

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2019, 06:57 PM »
What’s the # for the dust shroud/port?
Thanks


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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2019, 04:54 AM »
What’s the # for the dust shroud/port?
Thanks


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Hi Charlie, that’s a good point, I’ll post up all the part numbers  [thumbs up]

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2019, 06:48 AM »
Here you go Charlie, if you need any other info, let me know:


Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2019, 10:51 AM »
Thanks
Great help
Charlie


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Offline Simon O

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2019, 11:36 AM »
@Jiggy Joiner I also bought into the anniversary edition 18v Supercut, and very pleased with it's performance restoring a bunch of sash windows this summer.  [cool]
Just interested to know if you did get a chance to try out the equivalent Bosch?

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein 18 volt Supercut (AFSC18Q (SL)
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2019, 01:06 PM »
@Simon O I was in a tool shop a couple of weeks ago and spotted one. I asked if I could try it, and the assistant said no problem I’ll just get a battery. Well it turned out, he only had a few batteries but, none were charged  [sad] As I was in a hurry, I had to leave.
So still haven’t tried one but, if I bought one it would be cordless, and as I have no Bosch batterie, it might not be a good idea. So either another Supercut or Vecturo is looking more likely.
The place where I bought the anniversary set, had 38 in stock at the time of purchase but, sold out now. I wish I’d just bought two when I had the chance.