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Offline Mario Turcot

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Nova Voyager Drill Press
« on: August 21, 2018, 09:23 AM »
Any one have any experience with the Nova voyager drill press? I currently have a cheap bench drill press and I am sick of it. Next to zero accuracy a pita to change speed and it feels like everything is going to fell apart when running.

I watched several videos of the Nova Voyager and I am wondering if what they claim is real  [eek]

Also if you have experience with it do you think a keyless chuck would be a good idea despite the fact that the reverse feature would not be of much use.

Thanks!
Mario

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 09:36 AM »
I just find out this new feature;

Power Spindle Hold (for keyless chucks)
A new feature which has been introduced is the “Powered Spindle Hold” function which powers and holds
the spindle for 30 seconds, freeing up one hand to hold the drill bit and tighten the chuck.
NOTE: This function applies 11% of the maximum motor power to the spindle when tightening
To access the Powered Spindle Hold function, go to Menu > Advance Modes and select the Pwrd Spindle
Hold function. To activate the hold, press the button while the following screen is displayed.

« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 01:18 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline RJNeal

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 09:44 AM »
Good morning Mario. Do a search here of the FOG.
There was a post about the drill press ~18 months ago.
Rick
Have you walked your saw today?

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 10:34 AM »
I have one.  Purchased around the first of the year.  I like it a lot.  The 50 RPM to 5000 RPM infinitely variable speed is great with the turn of the dial.  Digital depth readout in digital or fractions.  I use the hole depth auto stop, the speed control, the various drilling modes for speed based on bit size (forstner, metal, etc).  I have not tried the auto tapping mode but will. 

There have been two software updates since I purchased.  You plug a Windows machine into the unit and download their update utility.  It will also update the SW with a Mac IF you are running a windows emulator on it, which is what I do.

The standard chuck doesn't quite go down small enough for a 1/16" bit, so I changed out the chuck with one from Amazon.  But I've found runout to be minimal and the tool to be great to use.  It is keyless and I replaced it with a Chinese import keyless that is accurate.

Yes the keyless auto hold is a cool feature too.  For larger bits I use it but have found sizes below 3/8 in wood work with a hand tightening of the chuck.

Fit and finish are great.  It does take two people to assemble and get the motor on the column.  I upgraded from a 20 year old Delta and the difference is night and day in performance, torque, accuracy, etc.  I made a custom top for it using Woodpecker's components for a fence, T-tracks, etc.

neil
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 10:36 AM by neilc »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2018, 10:36 AM »
The Nova Voyager is a great machine. With the push button speed changes and a keyless chuck you can work very quickly. Once you get used to using the dp that pre-programmed 30 second hold will seem like an eternity. I’d consider it a drag rather than a feature. You can tighten a non-keyless chuck in less time.

Get a keyles chuck that allows you to mechanically tighten also so you can make use of the reverse feature when tapping metal.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2018, 10:39 AM »
It is possible for one person to assemble but get help if you can.

Bought mine early 2017. The features I needed were only available via the first sw update. Had a deadline and wasn’t familiar with sw emulation on Mac so I just bought a cheap PC. Have not done the second update.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 10:43 AM by Michael Kellough »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2018, 11:39 AM »
Once you get used to using the dp that pre-programmed 30 second hold will seem like an eternity. I’d consider it a drag rather than a feature. You can tighten a non-keyless chuck in less time.

Get a keyles chuck that allows you to mechanically tighten also so you can make use of the reverse feature when tapping metal.

Ya, I wouldn't get too excited about that feature. It'll definitely slow you down and rapidly become a nuisance.

I have an old Delta that I put an Albrecht keyless chuck on. I just hold the chuck with one hand and tighten with the other hand, you don't need to use much force. It literally takes me less than 2 seconds to tighten the chuck. The Albrecht chuck tightens itself when you're drilling.

Presently, I'm drilling 13/32" through-holes in schedule 80 steel pipe with just a quick twist of the chuck.

So, chuck up a 1/4" bit, tighten, drill pilot hole, loosen, chuck up the 13/32" bit, tighten, drill through-hole, loosen and move to the next hole.  [big grin]  The keyless chuck is a god send.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 12:04 PM by Cheese »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2018, 11:43 AM »
I upgraded from a 20 year old Delta and the difference is night and day in performance, torque, accuracy, etc. 

Just curious Neil what model Delta you owned?

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2018, 01:11 PM »
Rick, I did search on Nova Voyager and found/read a few threads. However what I am looking for is people that have worked with the drill press and gather their impression on the subject... thanks.

Thanks Neil and Micheal for your inputs. I have mine in the SUV and plan to unpack and stare at it tonight, than start the assembly a few days from now  [eek]
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Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 02:17 PM »
I upgraded from a 20 year old Delta and the difference is night and day in performance, torque, accuracy, etc. 

Just curious Neil what model Delta you owned?

I no longer have it.  Think it was a 10 or 12" benchtop model.  Don't know the number. 
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 02:22 PM by neilc »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 02:37 PM »
Solo assembly,
put pole in stand
Add table mount and rack collars (and leave parked right on top of base so you won’t have to lift so much of it later)
Lay pole on side on an adjustable riser (I used a cardboard box so it could be crushed to get top of pole to height of head)
Place head unit on folded packing blanket on dolly (folded blanket is another adjustable shim)
Roll head/dolly to pole and wiggle into place (leave head at wacky rotation so you can tighten set screw without leaving a mark anywhere near final rotation)
Lift assembly upright (easier said than done)
Loosen head set screw and rotate to suit base
Re-tighten set screw
Raise table mount and add rack
Add table (at this point I realized the table mount was upside down and had to lay it down and start over, easier the second time) [embarassed]

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 02:51 PM »
Mario,

I just found this

What a drill press!

Did you get yours from King Canada?

Offline RKA

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 03:06 PM »
I pondered doing what Michael suggested with my Delta drill press.  But looking at the 4 tiny bolts that hold the flange to the thin casting on the base, I decided it wasn't worth the risk.  With my luck, the casting would crack and the head would drop on my foot!
 With an extra set of hands, it was very easy to lift the head over the post. 
-Raj

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2018, 04:41 PM »
The connection of the pole to the base is robust on the Voyager. The weak point is the way the head attaches to the pole.

The pole is a cast iron pipe that has been ground round on the outside. The remaining wall thickness is much less than I’d like. What’s worse, instead of a clamp connection the head has an oversized hole that slides over the pole and is “secured” by a single set screw. Really wanky in my opinion but it seems to work okay.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2018, 12:36 AM »
@Michael Kellough
The connection of the pole to the base is robust on the Voyager. The weak point is the way the head attaches to the pole.

The pole is a cast iron pipe that has been ground round on the outside. The remaining wall thickness is much less than I’d like. What’s worse, instead of a clamp connection the head has an oversized hole that slides over the pole and is “secured” by a single set screw. Really wanky in my opinion but it seems to work okay.

My head have two set crews

I know I will look dumb for asking but what is that key for?
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 07:58 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2018, 12:40 AM »
@ChuckM  I bought it from a local store called Ottawa Fastener Supply. The Nova Voyager drill press and lathe are distributed by King Canada Industrial. The drill press was 1999 + our famous taxes that bring it to 2250... Some times I wish I live in Alberta  [big grin]

That's one sweet drill press with a ton of features. I am now looking at drill press jigs so if you have any suggestions let me know.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:13 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2018, 12:50 AM »
Pickup time - Fit nicely in the SUV

Getting the monster parts on the abomination table

Leveling the base

Attaching the column

Checking handle clearance

Attaching the table


Still have to set the head. It's ~100lbs and I really don't want to drop it. Will do it tomorrow with some help  [smile]
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:00 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Svar

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2018, 01:25 AM »
Still have to set the head. It's ~100lbs and I really don't want to drop it. Will do it tomorrow with some help  [smile]
Assemble it horizontally on the floor and than lift the hole thing upright. Attach the table last.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2018, 01:46 AM »
Assemble it horizontally on the floor and than lift the hole thing upright. Attach the table last.

I’m with Svar again on this one (I hate it when that happens). I assembled a 400# plus Delta drill press horizontally on the floor and simply attached it to a come-along mounted to the floor joists and just raised it into place. Easy-peasy.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2018, 08:09 AM »
Still have to set the head. It's ~100lbs and I really don't want to drop it. Will do it tomorrow with some help  [smile]
Assemble it horizontally on the floor and than lift the hole thing upright. Attach the table last.

From the last picture you can tell it was late last night, around midnight when I closed the shop. I will try that today if I cannot get my son's help. He is in weight lifting so i thought it would be an easy and safe task for him. Thinking about it, that's how I assemble the band saw and it was darn easy and pretty much the same weight ~300lbs
Mario

Offline Vondawg

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2018, 08:10 AM »
Mario you’re going to love this drill press...I really like it! I have plywood bolted to both table and bottom-helps me attach jigs,fence, etc. It’s smooth, quiet and powerful....I do hope nothing burns out as I forget and leave the power switch ON (on the side) more than I’d like to admit
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2018, 08:34 AM »
@Mario Turcot I'm definitely interested in this drill press and may pull the trigger in the next few weeks. Curious to know - what do you think the weight of the head of the drill press is. My son is 9 so I don't think he'll be much help lifting it..... Thanks in advance!

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2018, 08:40 AM »
@PeterJJames13

@Mario Turcot I'm definitely interested in this drill press and may pull the trigger in the next few weeks. Curious to know - what do you think the weight of the head of the drill press is. My son is 9 so I don't think he'll be much help lifting it..... Thanks in advance!

The head is definitively over 100lbs. It's an odd shape to lift and the top of the column sits at about 5'6". For me it's at the mustache level  [big grin]. Lifting 100lbs over your shoulders is not something terribly hard but the shape of the head lead me to be extra cautious. I will try the horizontal way to avoid any frustration. A pulley system would make it a joke but I have no way to hook anything from my closed ceiling. also two people make this a breeze.
I hope I can turn on the power tonight and give it a try  [big grin]

P.S. Ask your son to hold your cup of coffee and watch  [embarassed]
Note: If he show some interest, cease every opportunity to show some "how to" to your son.. I have two sons, 25 and 22 and I always do my best to transfer my knowledge to them  [smile]
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:57 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2018, 08:44 AM »
Mario you’re going to love this drill press...I really like it! I have plywood bolted to both table and bottom-helps me attach jigs,fence, etc. It’s smooth, quiet and powerful....I do hope nothing burns out as I forget and leave the power switch ON (on the side) more than I’d like to admit

I know exactly what you mean... thanks for the reminder. i may setup a strobe  to prevent memory leak  [eek]

I will definitively build a cabinet to fit under the table for accessories. Would like to see picture of your jigs  [wink]

Also if any one know of a quality keyless chuck. From what I read it's a jacob type II but I know next to nothing about chucks  [scared]
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:48 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2018, 09:31 AM »
 Ask your son to hold your cup of coffee and watch  [embarassed]
Note: If he show some interest, cease every opportunity to show some "how to" to your son.. I have two sons, 25 and 22 and I always do my best to transfer my knowledge to them  [smile]
[/quote]

Wiser words were never spoken. My father was always a perfectionist, thus not wanting kids to help him for fear of not achieving perfection. In Cub Scouts the past year, I helped my son and his den build bat boxes. It MAY have sparked something in him. So fast forward and I'm building racks for my fourth of July show and he was there helping a bit. Even more so when it came time to take everything apart. He's got drilling down pretty good for a kid his age. Definitely plan on building on that foundation. You should have seen the look on his face when I opened up the CXS - "Daddy, is this for me?????" Well....it's for both of us, son lol. Appreciate the feedback.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 09:33 AM by PeterJJames13 »

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2018, 09:36 AM »
You should have seen the look on his face when I opened up the CXS - "Daddy, is this for me?????" Well....it's for both of us, son lol. Appreciate the feedback.

Got me chuckle on that one  [big grin]
Mario

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2018, 09:48 AM »
Hey Mario, I thought this was interesting. [big grin]

I was at the Nova website because I'm interested in possibly purchasing the Nova Vulcan metal drill press. I was reading the reviews on the Nova Voyager and this popped up...

Everything fits together well, and I had no problems with assembly. I am 68 years old, but in good shape, and I had no problem moving most pieces. I did have to rig the machine head from the floor joist above, using a come-along and nylon rope. I should say that I have rigging experience, and did so, so that the ropes hung on the metal parts of the head only. The head slipped onto the post without problems.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2018, 09:58 AM »
Also if any one know of a quality keyless chuck. From what I read it's a jacob type II but I know next to nothing about chucks  [scared]

I like Albrecht keyless chucks. They really, really work well, a bit more expensive but worth the extra money...German.
I use them on both my metal drill press and metal lathe. You can find them used on eBay for 1/2 to 1/3 their new purchase price.

http://www.albrecht-germany.com/en/products/1stdrill-chuck/morse-taper/
 

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2018, 10:37 AM »
Mario

Here's the stand I made for my Voyager drill press.

Drawers are on full extension slides.  Rear sides have adjustable shelves for additional storage. 
Mobile with four fixed wheels to pull forward.
Rubber pads can be screwed down to hold the unit in place under the press, though it does not move with them up.

I purchased the wheels and pads from McMaster.com

Wheels - https://www.mcmaster.com/#2781t72/=1e9mktj
Pads - https://www.mcmaster.com/#6103k167/=1e9ml41

Photos:













The table was made from phenolic ply.  I cut out the right rear corner to give me maximum table size but still allow the table adjustment to work.

Light is a magnetic base from Lee Valley that attaches to the fence.

* Drill Press Cabinet.pdf (110.56 kB - downloaded 147 times.)

Sketchup Plans are available on the 3D Warehouse. HERE

They are also attached as a zip file below.

neil





Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2018, 10:41 AM »
Wow  [eek] that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing.

I was just looking at that

and didn't like the idea of having a plain cabinet under the table. But yours as a mobile cabinet that fit nicely on the column is fantastic. Great work  [thumbs up]

Thanks again!
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2018, 10:50 AM »
@neilc

I'm still shocked by your cabinet  [big grin] printed the PDF already.

Q: Where to find phenolic ply?

Much appreciated.

Drill Press Accessories List
Storage cabinet: checked
Adjustable table with fence and stops: xxx
Various jigs: xxx
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 11:08 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2018, 10:52 AM »
@ChuckM  I bought it from a local store called Ottawa Fastener Supply. The Nova Voyager drill press and lathe are distributed by King Canada Industrial. The drill press was 1999 + our famous taxes that bring it to 2250... Some times I wish I live in Alberta  [big grin]

That's one sweet drill press with a ton of features. I am now looking at drill press jigs so if you have any suggestions let me know.

Yes, the drill press can be had a little cheaper here because of tax difference (https://www.kmstools.com/king-industrial-nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press-144804).

A drill press in my opinion is more a machinist machine by itself, and the first thing I would add to any drill press for woodworking is a drill press table with fence. I got mine from Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=63315&cat=1,240,41060

I like the replacement inserts, dirt cheap, but you can make your own if so desired. The clamp is functional, but I am planning to see if I can replace it with one of these: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=70864&cat=1,43838,70865

Your new drill press is no doubt a Rolls Royce class of drilling machine. I am not doing a lot of boring jobs in my type of woodworking; otherwise it would be on the top of my shopping/wish list.

Regarding help for lifting heavy items, how come no one mentioned about neighbours?! When I needed help with my SawStop installation (the manual recommends three persons), I grabbed my next door neighbour (he brought along his visiting dad who was helping him with some deck work). In under two minutes (including my verbal explanation of what to do), the saw was mounted on its mobile base.


Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2018, 10:53 AM »

Here's the stand I made for my Voyager drill press.


Nice stand Neil... [thumbs up] [thumbs up] That makes so much sense for storage and yet you don't lose the capabilities inherent in a floor mounted drill press.  [big grin]

I also like where you mounted the Woodpeckers DP3 fence. Mine is on the floor and I'm always tripping over it.  [sad]

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2018, 11:37 AM »
Mario

Phenolic Ply...  Amazon carries it. I bought mine from Woodcraft locally.

I googled Phenolic Ply Canada and there are several sources listed as well

Neil

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2018, 11:59 AM »
@Mario Turcot I’ll second the Albrecht chuck. Makes a world of difference. I’ve got the 1/16 to 1/2 inch one. That can usually be had on eBay for around 125 to 150 used.

Look for a listing that gives you a good photo of the working end so you can see if the jaws are in good shape. You can get kits to replace the guys completely but need to factor that into the price you’ll pay.


Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2018, 01:51 PM »
Mario

Phenolic Ply...  Amazon carries it. I bought mine from Woodcraft locally.

I googled Phenolic Ply Canada and there are several sources listed as well

Neil

I searched several times to find a local source. Some local kitchen cabinet distributors can get you the phenolic ply but you have to order a minimum, they do not stock any. The closest Woodcraft is at 190 miles  [eek]
All I can find on amazon is similar result for a 12" x 15" at a ridiculous price. The most frustrating is that there is factory between Ottawa, Toronto and Montréal that make phenolic ply but again you have to order a minimum to be part of the party  [scared]

@rvieceli
@Mario Turcot I’ll second the Albrecht chuck. Makes a world of difference. I’ve got the 1/16 to 1/2 inch one. That can usually be had on eBay for around 125 to 150 used.

Look for a listing that gives you a good photo of the working end so you can see if the jaws are in good shape. You can get kits to replace the guys completely but need to factor that into the price you’ll pay.

Used chuck is a good option since I found new ones at over 600$. Do you have a Albrecht reference # I can use that will fit on the Nova voyager? Since most used items have a no return policy, I don't want to buy the wrong chuck.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 01:55 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2018, 03:23 PM »
Mario you just need a chuck with a #2 Morse Taper attached or a bare chuck and an MT2

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2018, 05:09 PM »
Mario you just need a chuck with a #2 Morse Taper attached or a bare chuck and an MT2

Thanks!

Putting the head on horizontally was easy enough.

The head is more like 130-140lbs  [huh]
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2018, 05:29 PM »
Wow!

Ready for a spin now (pun intended)!

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2018, 10:41 PM »
First spin test, Brad point HSS 3/8

Mario

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2018, 10:47 PM »
First spin test, Brad point HSS 3/8

So what do you think Mario...thumbs up or thumbs down?

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2018, 11:05 PM »
First spin test, Brad point HSS 3/8

So what do you think Mario...thumbs up or thumbs down?

 [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

A dream machine
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2018, 11:25 PM »
Mario,

I was hoping your response would be the opposite ... and then I would PM you that since we are both in Canada, I could buy your Nova second hand! [drooling]

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2018, 11:45 PM »
Mario,

I was hoping your response would be the opposite ... and then I would PM you that since we are both in Canada, I could buy your Nova second hand! [drooling]

Doesn't always proceed as planned  [tongue]
Mario

Offline sprior

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2018, 12:56 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2018, 12:59 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

On the Nova Voyager instructions it's stated to NOT use a mobile base. I would guess that the Vulcan is even heavier and that a mobile base is not recommended. I have a 20'x20' shop and the drill press is the first true stationary machine.
Mario

Offline RKA

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2018, 07:53 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

Any mobile base should work.  Just adjust the base so the wheels have a 30-36” span from L to R to give you extra stability.  Bolt the plywood base to the mobile base and the drill press base to the plywood.  Watch where you roll it so the wheels don’t get hung up on cords or other debris. 

You could also build your own, again making sure the outriggers allow the wheels to span 30-36”.
-Raj

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2018, 08:31 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

Any mobile base should work.  Just adjust the base so the wheels have a 30-36” span from L to R to give you extra stability.  Bolt the plywood base to the mobile base and the drill press base to the plywood.  Watch where you roll it so the wheels don’t get hung up on cords or other debris. 

You could also build your own, again making sure the outriggers allow the wheels to span 30-36”.

This is what I was planning to do before reading the instructions  [wink].

Here my personal observation about the Nova Voyager Drill Press after an hour playing with the machine and features;

BODY
Major Parts and guess weight:
Base: 70lbs
Column: 70lbs
Table: 45lbs
Head: 125lbs
Total of: 310lbs (this is more or less what the drill specs says)

This make the drill press a little unbalance when it comes to tilt possibility. To prevent tilting you have a few possibilities, anchors or adding weight to the base. I went for flush floor anchors to secure the drill press.

ASSEMBLY
Cannot be easier intellectually and physically  [big grin]. There is really few parts to put together. Everything was included (allen keys) beside a 17mm wrench and four floor anchors (optional). I used 5/8" x 2" anchors.
Tip: Make a wood insert to fit under the base and seal the base with clear silicone caulk to prevent dust to stack under.

USE
Plug n play they says... sheesh I had to put a drill bit to get any results  [eek]. I did a first test (previous post) and the hole was absolutely perfect.
Non scientific wobble test: I removed the bit and push it manually through the hole and it was a very tight fit. Zero tear out on top and of course some at the bottom but really minimal. I used a brad point HSS 3/8 from Lee Valley for that test.

CONCLUSION
I own a Skill drill press bench top for a few years. I haven't use it since I'm in the new shop, because it was not stable enough for my taste. When you have no confidence in a tool it become a waist of space  [huh] Now I am very happy with the press drill and no @ChuckM you cannot have it  [tongue].

CONS SO FAR
No where to store the chuck key or is it hidden  [huh]
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:10 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2018, 10:51 AM »
Hey Mario here's a shot of one of my Albrecht chucks. This one looks brand new and functions likewise. It's the 1-13mm version that Ron also has. I paid $110 for it on eBay.

The other thing you'll need is the proper arbor. The one shown converts the JT33 in the Albrecht to a 3MT that's needed for the drill press. MSC has a complete selection.

https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Tool-Holding/Drill-Chucks-Holders-Accessories/Drill-Chucks-Accessories/Drill-Chuck-Arbors?navid=12108653
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 10:54 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2018, 11:03 AM »
Snip.
 Now I am very happy with the press drill and no @ChuckM you cannot have it  [tongue].
:'( :'( :'(
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:49 AM by ChuckM »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2018, 11:07 AM »
Thanks @Cheese.

Hey Mario here's a shot of one of my Albrecht chucks. This one looks brand new and functions likewise. It's the 1-13mm version that Ron also has. I paid $110 for it on eBay.

The other thing you'll need is the proper arbor. The one shown converts the JT33 in the Albrecht to a 3MT that's needed for the drill press. MSC has a complete selection.

https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Tool-Holding/Drill-Chucks-Holders-Accessories/Drill-Chucks-Accessories/Drill-Chuck-Arbors?navid=12108653

I made some research last night and ordered a cheap chuck under 40$, including shipping and a 2MT-B16 arbor that fit also with the chuck that came with the machine. Not that I need a second arbor but it was included. The chuck is a nobrand one and looks like an uxcell chuck.

At least I will be able to experience keyless chuck for a fairly low price. I haven't found any Albrecht chuck under 190$ used and new ones are over 500$  [eek]. I learned that the quill on the Nova voyager accept 2MT arbor  [big grin].

By the way, where do you get that wedge to detach the arbor from the quill?

P.S. I really hate the new chuck key that comes with a loaded spring  [mad]
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:14 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2018, 11:20 AM »
Darn i just found out that there is keyless chucks that comes with a KEY  [eek] The key goes on the upper part to prevent the quill from turning when you apply pressure.


Hopefully the Nova Voyager come with a feature that apply force/hold the quill for 30 seconds.

@Michael Kellough wondering if that 30 seconds can be reduced?
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:32 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2018, 11:40 AM »
A less expensive alternative is Rohm (German made) or Shars (Chinese made, but I've heard the quality is pretty good).  The Rohm you might find around $100 on ebay, the Shars is probably around $40?  I don't know much about excell, but I've seen it repeatedly on amazon while searching for various bits and bobbles.
-Raj

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2018, 11:48 AM »
A less expensive alternative is Rohm (German made) or Shars (Chinese made, but I've heard the quality is pretty good).  The Rohm you might find around $100 on ebay, the Shars is probably around $40?  I don't know much about excell, but I've seen it repeatedly on amazon while searching for various bits and bobbles.

Same here Rohm Keyless chuck

I will give a try to the chuck coming and if accuracy do not meet my expectation will look at Rohm chucks

Thanks for confirming  [wink]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2018, 11:59 AM »
@ChuckM
A drill press in my opinion is more a machinist machine by itself, and the first thing I would add to any drill press for woodworking is a drill press table with fence. I got mine from Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=63315&cat=1,240,41060

The clamp is functional, but I am planning to see if I can replace it with one of these: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=70864&cat=1,43838,70865

You linked some quite interesting items. I bought that same exact table when I puchased my previous drill press and never been able to fix it on the drill table. Time to un-dust that table and give it a second try. And about the Bessey clamps, I have four of those for my Domino jig.  [big grin]
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2018, 12:31 PM »

By the way, where do you get that wedge to detach the arbor from the quill?


@Mario Turcot that's called a drift key. they are sized for the various size taper. Here's one for a MT2

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Forged-Drift-Key-2/G9375?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzeCBgcyD3QIVQrXACh0WkQcyEAQYASABEgIVyfD_BwE

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2018, 12:34 PM »
Most keyless chucks have an upper collar that is fixed. Hold that with one hand while you tighten the sleeve with the other, in a couple of seconds. Before I used the Voyager I too worried that using a keyless chuck would be problematic without all the friction of belts and pulleys but the inertia of the quill/armature of the direct drive head is enough to get the initial tightening done with one hand holding the bit and the other spinning the sleeve. With the bit in place just move both hands up an inch or so and wring the chuck to really tighten.

I bought an Llambrich keyless chuck from Zoro.com. Llambrich made Jacobs branded keyless chucks until Jacobs shifted to China.

https://www.zoro.com/llambrich-usa-drill-chuck-keyless-steel-0512-in-2mt-jk-13-mt-2/i/G2332206/

This chuck has a wrench for tightening the chuck sufficiently to use taps. You stick the chuck removal tool through the hole in the quill and use the wrench on the chuck and the bit will stay tight even in reverse.

I do have a problem using this keyless chuck but I don’t know if it’s me or the chuck. When I was doing a project in aluminum last year I had to do several operations on the same hole. The keyless chuck made that go much faster than a keyed chuck would allow but I’d often find that the bit wasn’t seated right in the jaws. There would be too much runnout. It sometimes took several attempts to get the bit to run true. (Even testing with virgin 1/2” drill rod) Never did figure it out. My procedure was to slowly rotate the bit while I gently tighten the sleeve. Then punch F2 which was programmed for 300 rpm to see how it spun. Had to tell with a twist drill but better than drilling with too much runout.

It was critical using a 5/8” counterbore. If I ran that bit seated out of true then there would be so much shakeing the chuck would get wrenched crooked in the quill and at least once came loose from the quill. (In that case ease up on the quill just a little to keep the arbor engaged in the quill enough to keep the bit/chuck from scampering but eliminate rotational drive so it stops spinning)

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2018, 12:35 PM »
The Voyager does come with a drift key.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2018, 12:35 PM »
Thanks Ron for the clarification. I watched a video last night on how to remove the arbor from a quill and saw the poster using it  8)
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2018, 12:40 PM »
The Voyager does come with a drift key.

 [poke] about time you answer that question  [crying] I was wondering what that key was for lol. It have a magnet and both ends are shaped differently. see image on page #1
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2018, 12:58 PM »

I will give a try to the chuck coming and if accuracy do not meet my expectation will look at Rohm chucks


Accuracy is only one thing to look at with a keyless chuck. The real bug-a-boo is does the chuck hold the drill bits tightly enough to prevent rotation in the keyless chuck.

Over the last almost 50 years or so, I've been fortunate to be able to use keyless chucks in all sorts of machine tools. When it came time to purchase one for myself, I chose Albrecht because it was pretty much standard fare in machine shops and model shops. I did look at the Rohm and at the Jacobs brands because they were significantly cheaper than the Albrecht when purchased new.

Like Michael said, place one hand on the top ring of the chuck and the other hand on the chuck body and wring them together. With a good functioning chuck, you don't need to exert much force. On the Albrecht, the process takes 1-2 seconds...that 30 second delay will just become a nuisance.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2018, 01:39 PM »
@RKA, @Michael Kellough, @neilc, @Vondawg Any of you guys convert it to 220v yet?
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2018, 01:51 PM »
The Voyager does come with a drift key.

 [poke] about time you answer that question  [crying] I was wondering what that key was for lol. It have a magnet and both ends are shaped differently. see image on page #1

That isn’t the drift key, just some half useful wrench for assembly. Just google images to see what the drift key looks like.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2018, 01:53 PM »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2018, 02:05 PM »
I try to run everything I can on 220v, so I was curious if any one did.
From the instructions, you only have to change the plug and that's it.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2018, 02:08 PM »
I left it at the factory set 120 volts.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2018, 02:12 PM »
@Mario Turcot you might also want to pick up a 4 or 5 inch machined 1/2 inch dowel like this.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381a727/=1ea7u86

It’s useful for a lot of operations. Chuck it up and pair it with a mag base dial indicator and you test run out. The solid nature makes it easier to see on a square if the table is perpendicular to the quill.

With it chucked you always know the exact center of the bit is 1/4 inch from the outside edge of the rod. Need to put a hole 1 inch from the edge? Put a 3/4 inch spacer between the rod and the fence.

If you’re one of those metric folks then opt for a 12mm dowel

https://www.mcmaster.com/#91595a773/=1ea80p8

Ron




Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2018, 04:19 PM »
Forgot about this issue I had with the Voyager. The table was concave. They sent another but in the meantime I put a large cross slide table on the existing table and shimmed it square. Haven’t even opened the replacement table to check its condition.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2018, 06:43 PM »
Forgot about this issue I had with the Voyager. The table was concave. They sent another but in the meantime I put a large cross slide table on the existing table and shimmed it square. Haven’t even opened the replacement table to check its condition.

Good to know, I will check mine. However for wood I will use a phenolic table like Neil.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2018, 10:57 PM »
Mario,

Can you claim this rebate for your Nova purchase?

https://www.teknatool.com/rebate/


Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2018, 11:36 PM »
Mario,

Can you claim this rebate for your Nova purchase?

https://www.teknatool.com/rebate/

Nope, US only  [crying]
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2018, 06:35 AM »
@Mario Turcot you might also want to pick up a 4 or 5 inch machined 1/2 inch dowel like this.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381a727/=1ea7u86

It’s useful for a lot of operations. Chuck it up and pair it with a mag base dial indicator and you test run out. The solid nature makes it easier to see on a square if the table is perpendicular to the quill.

With it chucked you always know the exact center of the bit is 1/4 inch from the outside edge of the rod. Need to put a hole 1 inch from the edge? Put a 3/4 inch spacer between the rod and the fence.

If you’re one of those metric folks then opt for a 12mm dowel

https://www.mcmaster.com/#91595a773/=1ea80p8

Ron

@rvieceli, thanks for the tip and the links. I will order both in case my dark side made me switch to imperial again  [tongue].

I never order from McMaster before and just discovered all the goodies they have...  [eek]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2018, 09:34 AM »
Can't wait..



..what? by 9PM  [eek]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #73 on: August 24, 2018, 02:39 PM »
I too have stayed with 120 volts( only have 3 220 curcuits) and it was where I have the drill press ...never checked my table for flat just added table/fence  [eek] now I'll have to check it. Look forward to knowing how keyless Chuck works...
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #74 on: August 24, 2018, 04:00 PM »
What I did wrong?

The arbor that came with the keyless chuck do not fit in the chuck  [eek]

No luck removing the arbor that came with the machine  [crying]

I don't have any arbor wedge... pushing a bolt through the chuck?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2018, 04:04 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2018, 04:27 PM »
Mario DO NOT try to remove the existing chuck and taper without a drift key. The taper and the mating surfaces in the quill are some of the most critically machined area on the press. Don’t risk screwing them up. Order a drift key and wait for it to come.

As for the new taper, the fit is designed to be a tight friction fit. That’s the only thing that holding the two pieces together. There should be some YouTube videos on installing the taper in  the chuck.

Ron

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #76 on: August 24, 2018, 04:40 PM »
Mario DO NOT try to remove the existing chuck and taper without a drift key. The taper and the mating surfaces in the quill are some of the most critically machined area on the press. Don’t risk screwing them up. Order a drift key and wait for it to come.

As for the new taper, the fit is designed to be a tight friction fit. That’s the only thing that holding the two pieces together. There should be some YouTube videos on installing the taper in  the chuck.

Ron

No, I did used the drift key to remove the arbor from the quill and everything is intact. Now I need to remove the Arbor from the chuck to put it on the new chuck.
Mario

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #77 on: August 24, 2018, 06:33 PM »
It's a press fit.  Place the arbor in a hole on your MFT or loosely in a vise with padding and use a punch and hammer to lightly tap inside the chuck to drive it out.

Should come out easily.  Just make sure you catch the arbor so it's not damaged.


Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2018, 07:08 PM »
Do you even know if the taper in the original chuck is the same as the taper in the new chuck? There are several different sized tapers they could be. It be a shame to remove the arbor, and possibly damage it, only to find out that it won’t fit anyways.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #79 on: August 24, 2018, 08:17 PM »
It's a press fit.  Place the arbor in a hole on your MFT or loosely in a vise with padding and use a punch and hammer to lightly tap inside the chuck to drive it out.

Should come out easily.  Just make sure you catch the arbor so it's not damaged.

Thanks Neil, that's the confirmation I was looking for. I watched a video where the guy said exactly that and when he was about to do it, he said do not attempt to push from inside the chuck. I was a bit confused  [eek]

Both chucks and arbors, you can tell that the new arbor is longer. Hard to tell it is bigger but my bet is that it is a J33 instead of a B16.

Old arbor fit in the new chuck, so the new chuck is B16.

And now on the drill press  [big grin]


Going to bore some on the weekend.
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2018, 08:18 PM »
Do you even know if the taper in the original chuck is the same as the taper in the new chuck? There are several different sized tapers they could be. It be a shame to remove the arbor, and possibly damage it, only to find out that it won’t fit anyways.

Yup confirmed. The old Arbor fit in both chucks  [smile]

When I ordered the chuck the arbor that was include was suppose to be 2MT - B16 but I received a 2MT - J33 or so
Mario

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2018, 09:39 AM »
Nice. Looks like the DP cabinet that Woodsmith published plans to a couple years ago.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2018, 11:19 AM »
Nice. Looks like the DP cabinet that Woodsmith published plans to a couple years ago.

Fun fact, I received an email from Woodsmith on Friday with a rebate for that plan  [smile]
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2018, 11:44 AM »
-- UPDATE --

After setting the dril press zero "ground" I made a 1 1/2" hole. Notice where the drill stops, barely hit the table insert  [big grin]


And now on some advertising: I like how crispy came the hole using a Lee Valley Forstner bit. The drill press set the quill speed to 500 rpm.
Mario

Offline RKA

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2018, 03:44 PM »
Okay, you do know that the more you keep posting your feedback the more I regret passing on the nova and getting the Delta?

Keep it coming!  :)
-Raj

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2018, 05:10 PM »
I'm sorry (in a Canadian way) but can't help myself. The drill is just so awesome, I'm going to drill holes every where  I can [big grin]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2018, 05:15 PM »
If you keep posting I’m getting rid of my Delta and getting the Nova. I’ve been eying it since it was introduced but have not pulled the trigger since we travel half the year.
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Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2018, 06:00 PM »
I have lusted after the Voyager drill press since it was introduced. The current rebate has made it much more enticing. Put up my old Delta floor standing drill press for sale with the plan to apply that as well to the purchase price.

Got a taker on my drill press, so the Nova just got ordered today. I’ve been using a Nova DVR lathe for many years so am excited to get a drill press with the same power source.

Now I get to start the waiting game.

BTW, is anybody using the Nova fence that they offer?  Looks like it might be worth the cost, but nice to know how useful it is from someone who has one.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2018, 06:04 PM by thudchkr »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2018, 07:31 PM »
You can set a depth and have the dp stop running when the quill reaches that point (which is cool and sometimes useful) but it can also then be difficult to extract the non-turning bit from the work, especially if the hole is deep. I set it to stop a little deeper than I plan to drill then watch the depth readout and extract the quill when it reaches my preferred depth. You’ll find there’s is little point in watching the bit drill work with this machine. Much more useful to monitor the digital read out.

Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2018, 10:32 PM »
Wow, ordered and Friday and was delivered today. Assembled it and am very happy with me decision to upgrade.

Expected the larger table but was surprised how much larger the base was over my previous Delta.

Played with it a bit and now am ready to find me a replacement chuck to put some icing on the cake.
Clint

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2018, 06:33 AM »
Wow, ordered and Friday and was delivered today. Assembled it and am very happy with me decision to upgrade.

Expected the larger table but was surprised how much larger the base was over my previous Delta.

Played with it a bit and now am ready to find me a replacement chuck to put some icing on the cake.

 [thumbs up]

By larger table, you mean you were expecting a bigger one?

IMO the table is perfect for metal boring, a sub table like Neil have is desired for wood boring. Currently I am using a table I bought a few years ago that was not fitting on my previous drill press so I give table some live experience :)

I am at the design phase of mine. It will look pretty much like Neil's one. i am not sure yet about how the tracks will go.
Mario

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Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2018, 05:30 PM »
Wow, ordered and Friday and was delivered today. Assembled it and am very happy with me decision to upgrade.

Expected the larger table but was surprised how much larger the base was over my previous Delta.

Played with it a bit and now am ready to find me a replacement chuck to put some icing on the cake.

 [thumbs up]

By larger table, you mean you were expecting a bigger one?

IMO the table is perfect for metal boring, a sub table like Neil have is desired for wood boring. Currently I am using a table I bought a few years ago that was not fitting on my previous drill press so I give table some live experience :)

I am at the design phase of mine. It will look pretty much like Neil's one. i am not sure yet about how the tracks will go.

I expected the table to be larger than that of my previous Delta drill press and there was a considerable differential. I didn’t, however, realize how much larger the base was over the one in the Delta.

I will probably build a table, geared to woodworking, to install on the Nova. I have a piece of phenolic faced Baltic birch plywood that will be ideal for that application. I had a woodpeckers version on the Delta, but it went with the press, so I’ll probable build something along the same lines as the Woodpeckers, as familiar as I am with it.
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Offline rst

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2018, 08:56 PM »
My drill press table is on an old 1979 Craftsman 15 1/2" drill press.  the tracks are 15 series 3034 8020 extrusions.
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Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2018, 12:53 PM »
Darn you all!!! Just ordered my Voyager from Tool Nut this morning! You're all too influential lol!

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2018, 04:55 PM »
Love that drill press....got a chance to see one in person..very nice....I will buy one...one day....but for now I did this...about 350 canadian....so that's like 12 bucks USD...right...lol...
you need:





























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Offline sprior

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2018, 05:01 PM »
Looks great!  The control panel has FUN built right in!

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2018, 05:11 PM »
LOL...yeah it's pretty cool...all that and a chart I found on internet and I can set speeds for different types of bit...no more belt changes...still not as cool as voyager, but it was a great learning experience (which I had a lot of online friends help me thru..lol)
VFD makes the world your oyster....this one has quite a bit of torque...can run it real slow to say tap metal, and depending on settings can bring it up to 3000rpm...
Sorry for some reason I was having real hard time posting pictures...had hoped to put more info in my first post...
I have just set this up temp....a year ago....lol....but do have a  control box and external controls to start, reverse, set rpm, ect...I will mount vfd in box on wall, and then run cables to control box on drill press in hopes of keeping vfd cooler and cleaner....
Greg

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2018, 07:22 PM »
@PeterJJames13  you won't regret it, the drill press is amizing. You will want to make projects just to use it  [wink]

Darn you all!!! Just ordered my Voyager from Tool Nut this morning! You're all too influential lol!
Mario

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2018, 07:24 PM »
@PeterJJames13  you won't regret it, the drill press is amizing. You will want to make projects just to use it  [wink]

Darn you all!!! Just ordered my Voyager from Tool Nut this morning! You're all too influential lol!
Thanks Mario! I've been following this thread since the start. I figured the rebate was helpful in pulling the trigger. Plus I'm having hernia surgery next month so let me get the heavy lifting out of the way so I can enjoy the darn thing lol!!

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2018, 07:30 PM »
Plus I'm having hernia surgery next month so let me get the heavy lifting out of the way so I can enjoy the darn thing lol!!

Darn man, I wish I could go and help. Hopefully the surgery will go well and you can [dead horse] again.

The way I did it;

1) Lay down the base and column on a box letting enough space to the end to accept the head.
2) Put the head on a flat rolling cart, mine was 4" high that I use to move things.
3) Push in the head, easy peazy

The head slides in like a glove, make sure you push the head at the bottom of the column. Measuring before and after do not hurt  [big grin]
Mario

Offline IndyMike

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2018, 08:25 PM »
Sent my GF a video of this press on YouTube...  ::crosses fingers for Christmas::.
Mike

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #101 on: September 08, 2018, 09:12 AM »
@Mario Turcot Thanks! I've been following how everyone here has got that head on! I'll be making room tomorrow (finally a day off for me!!) so when it gets delivered (hopefully by next weekend) I can get it in place (with help from a friend who I owe some beers to). That way if I do any more damage to myself, the surgery will fix it anyway lol. I figured get whatever heavy lifting out of the way now lol.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #102 on: September 08, 2018, 10:41 AM »
....but for now I did this...about 350 canadian....so that's like 12 bucks USD...right...lol...
you need:

Very interesting... as I know nothing about VFD's. So all you need is a VFD, a chassis to mount the drive and electrical connections and a digital readout? Is that correct?

You'd use the existing motor?

I also assume you place the drive belts on the fastest speed position.

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #103 on: September 08, 2018, 01:02 PM »
Hi Cheese. Not meaning to hijack Mario's thread, just wanted to offer a cheaper alternative to those who already had a good drill press especially an older one of good quality that you just can't seem to buy anymore.

In addition to the VFD, you need to replace the motor on your press with a 3 phase motor so the VFD can drive it...Seems to be good practice to go up a size. ( in my case I went from 3/4 to 1 HP.)

I didn't know anything about VFD's either, but lots of resources on the net Youtube ect., and these small ones are fairly plug and play. Lots of reading on the manual before beginning.

The VFD I bought converts 110volt to 220 volts which you'll need to run the 3 phase motor. The VFD basically send pulses to the motor allowing you to change the speed.

You can put your belts on highest speed, but you will loose low end torque by doing so. I picked a happy medium which gives me the slow low end torque to use large bits at slow speeds, but can also adjust VFD so it can run the motor at double the rated speed.

Have a look at youtube and you'll get some great ideas. I'm sure there are lots of folks on this forum who are more informed than I am about these little drives. If you have more questions perhaps it would be better to PM me, or start another thread so we don't steal Mario's well deserved thunder while his drill press still has that new car smell....lol
Greg

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #104 on: September 08, 2018, 06:52 PM »
@gnlman all good Greg. I find it interesting myself and I believe this could also apply to a lathe?
Mario

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #105 on: September 08, 2018, 09:31 PM »
Hi Mario. Yes lathes, pumps all sorts of things.
By the way, the company that makes your drill press also makes lathes with the same abilities as your press...they adapted that technology to make the drill press...as I'm sure you already know.

Yes, in my research found may folks that take an older lathe and adapt a vfd to it allowing more control. I don't  have a lathe, but thinking of one when I retire and have more time...I have looked at the nova lathes and they seem very nice...not that I know much about lathes...lol

I started the adventure when I read a post about a fellow than adapted the vfd to his drill press He was very knowledgeable and gave a very good explanation of how it worked. I tried to purchase the same vfd as he had, but as with all electronics that version was done and ended up with basically the same thing only a newer version. If you are interested, download a manual for a vfd and give it a read....much like a new computer user, it takes a bit to understand how it works. I have a pretty good understanding of electricity, and I find most woodworkers are pretty handy wiring motors by simply following the diagram on the motor.If you have any concerns you just post a picture and someone here will steer you in the right way....the folks here are pretty darn nice.

My VFD project was well over a year ago, and while I remember some things, I would have to go back to my notes and manual to give out accurate info. If you decide to go this route, you could PM me and I'll do what I can to help you...but like I said before I'm sure there are experts on this forum that could answer questions better than I......

The one thing I do remember struggling with was the motor...many people said you needed a motor with a fan that ran all the time to keep them motor cool...I believe these were call "inverter duty" motors...I bought my motor from the vendor that supplies my workplace with all of our motors. When I explained what I was doing he told me I didn't need to spend the extra money for an "inveter" motor as the drill press will not run long enough for the motor to get hot....not sure about a lathe.It might be worth some investigation to make sure you get the correct type of motor for the application....it's the torque that the VFD applies that will heat the motor up when going slow....my motor stays nice and cool even though at low rpm's the fan on the motor runs slowly, but not for very long period of time....it's never even gotten warm using large bits or hole saws...

I tested the vfd and motor on my bench (make sure you clamp the motor down...don't ask my why....lol) first and get it working before installing it..easier if you need to rewire ect....

I really had a lot of fun tricking out the drill press..I eliminated the middle pully , and got rid of some vibration I had before. I also now have the other parts to run the VFD in a remote fashion. The VFD has low voltage and smart outputs that allow you to connect speed controls..(volume pot basically) forward reverse switches, on off controls ect....this allows you to not have the vfd mounted to your machine (like I do now), and saves you moving thru menu's to change things by using hard controls....this once again requires picking some options in menus on VFD, but nothing anyone couldn't figure out by reading the manual....afterall I figured it out..lol
Maybe this winter I'll get to wiring the hard controls the the drill press and then I can mount the vfd on the wall in a box to protect it a bit from the dust and vibration....hopefully...lol
The other really cool thing about it is I have it set up to stop with my large paddle on my press..its stops in a heartbeat in case you have an emergency where something gets away on you....safety first!!
Also, while the vfd will display your rpm's, it requires some special gear and measuring....I took the easy way out and bought a digital rpm gauge(the display in the decora switch cover in my pictures under the VFD) from amazon for around 20 bucks...you simply epoxy a magnet to your front pully, mount the pickup for the magnet close to it, and it pulses a signal to the display giving you your rpm's...brilliant!!

Hope this helps...if you have any more questions, fire away, and thanks for letting my crash your post....haha

Greg
 

Offline Huxleywood

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #106 on: September 08, 2018, 11:06 PM »
The problem with heat in the motor run via VFD is not the torque (torque will remain more or less the same across most of the speed range like a bell curve with the top flattened) but the lack of cooling.  The normal induction motor has a fan running off the shaft at the same speed of the motor which is normally the synchronous speed, reduce the frequency and thus the RPMs and the fan moves less air.  An inverter duty motor has windings with higher temp insulation, at sustained low speeds (lower frequencies via VFD) a motor with low temp insulation can see the insulation fail and you have a short in the windings and a dead motor. 

The main issue to be overcome running a 3 phase DP via VFD is while the torque stays the same (with a quality VFD) you lose the torque multiplication of the belt system, this is one reason it is generally a good idea to use a larger motor.   To get the optimum performance one needs to pick the gearing (via the belt system) that allows the lowest speed needed while running the motor at the highest RPMs balanced against the highest RPM needed without "overclocking" the motor at more than say 70hz.  Just like in a car it is important to understand the role of both torque and horsepower and how gearing impacts how much of each you have at a given rpm at final drive. 

In the end, the digitally controlled variable reluctance motor use in the Voyager has a lot of advantages over a VFD controlled 3ph motor in this application, it really is a better mousetrap.   The only real negatives being cost and the potential lifespan of the electronics. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #107 on: September 09, 2018, 10:04 AM »
Hi Cheese. Not meaning to hijack Mario's thread, just wanted to offer a cheaper alternative to those who already had a good drill press especially an older one of good quality that you just can't seem to buy anymore.

Thanks for the info Greg.  [big grin]

I have an older Delta that I like a lot. I purchased it because its slow speed is 150 rpm for metal work however it also has ZERO speeds from 550 - 1000 rpm. That's a big hole in the middle. [sad]  Just looking at alternatives... [smile]



Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #108 on: September 09, 2018, 01:08 PM »
Hi Cheese. You are welcome. Yes these little drives will give you all the speeds you want depending on how you set them. I can run mine quite slow, and have a hard time stalling it with my hands with gloves on....my drive ( I suspect most have this) has a torque boost setting so you can increase it...not sure what that does to the motor, but it does make the fan on the VFD run harder as I'm sure the VFD is working harder to produce the extra torque...much like your computer fans run harder when it's thinking really hard...lol

See I told you someone more experienced than I am would chime in...lol ( thanks Huxleywood )....I stand corrected, and should have mentioned the fixed fan speed on a non inverter motor..yes the fan only runs as fast at the motor turns...that is what can lead to motor failure...and it's the torque that the vfd is producing that make the vfd run harder/warmer...in my case anyway. I've also seen where folks have mounted external computer type fans that run when motor is turning on to aid in cooling as well. Bit of a junkyard fix, but if you already had a  non inverter motor, or found a used one this could be a good workaround...if buying new, I'd suggest you get the correct motor for the application.

Also, yes the direct drive system on the voyager is the best for minimising any torque loss. My drill press has ribbed belts, not V belts. They seem to grab quite well, and I have yet to spin them on the pulleys....although I had a harder time sourcing a ribbed belt, than a v belt..I eliminated the middle pulley on my press so I needed a longer belt. I didn't quite 1 to 1 on the pulleys so I could achieve more bottom end torque...you can increase the settings on the vfd to run the motor faster (don't set it too high) but I've never found a need for my drill press to go 3000 rpm yet...lol

If you decide to trick your delta out, do lots of reading and youtube first. I watched videos where folks were disappointed as once they slowed the speed down they lost so much torque the low speeds were useless to run forsner bits or for tapping purposes so be weary of some of the really cheap offshore drives that don't have a torque boost of some sort. Also, you can buy drives that you can remove the control panel so you can mount the vfd off the machine which is nice to keep it clean and free from any vibration. In addition you can also get drives where you remove the control panel (like a remote) and move it from machine to machine it will remember what machine it's running and keep your settings for that machine....it's pretty cool that all than technology is now available at prices reasonable for hobby guys ect.

If you decide to give the vfd a go, post your project here, you'll get lots of help I'm sure and it would be great to see.
Greg


Offline Huxleywood

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #109 on: September 09, 2018, 07:51 PM »


See I told you someone more experienced than I am would chime in...lol ( thanks Huxleywood )....I stand corrected, and should have mentioned the fixed fan speed on a non inverter motor..yes the fan only runs as fast at the motor turns...that is what can lead to motor failure...and it's the torque that the vfd is producing that make the vfd run harder/warmer...in my case anyway. I've also seen where folks have mounted external computer type fans that run when motor is turning on to aid in cooling as well. Bit of a junkyard fix, but if you already had a  non inverter motor, or found a used one this could be a good workaround...if buying new, I'd suggest you get the correct motor for the application.

Also, yes the direct drive system on the voyager is the best for minimising any torque loss. My drill press has ribbed belts, not V belts. They seem to grab quite well, and I have yet to spin them on the pulleys....although I had a harder time sourcing a ribbed belt, than a v belt..I eliminated the middle pulley on my press so I needed a longer belt. I didn't quite 1 to 1 on the pulleys so I could achieve more bottom end torque...you can increase the settings on the vfd to run the motor faster (don't set it too high) but I've never found a need for my drill press to go 3000 rpm yet...lol



Let's clarify a few things.  An inverter duty motor still has a fan that runs at the shaft speed of the motor, it simply has higher temperature winding insulation to handle the excess heat when running the motor at frequencies below the native AC frequency it is designed for, in the US that is 60hz.  Some inverter duty motors also have bearings specced to run at higher than the motors synchronous speed allowing you to run the motor at higher frequencies than native.  An average motor will have little issue running up to 70hz unless it is run constantly. 

The "torque boost" feature of VFDs is really a constant torque setting to combat the loss of torque at lower frequencies you get with more basic drives.  You don't get more torque just the same torque, this is why it is usually a good idea to use a higher HP motor (which will have more torque) for an application like a DP where you plan to give up the torque multiplication of the pulley system. 

The wider the RPM range you want to run the more time you have to send speccing the correct motor.  If you look at most modern variable speed lathes they use a 3ph motor and a VFD to control speed, you will also see they usually run 2 (or even 3) pulley based speed ranges to improve the torque at low speeds. 

I assume you mean cogged belt vs ribbed belt, a ribbed or multi-V belt would require a pulley change.  The cogged belts have the advantage of higher power transmission as well as they transmit less vibration which is important since the vibration will increase when you use a longer belt to exclude the intermediate pulley set.  If you find cogged belts don't provide enough vibration isolation then you can try link belts. 

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #110 on: September 09, 2018, 10:18 PM »
Hmmm just re read my post, and it did perhaps make it sound like inverter duty motors had a different type of fan....but yes the fan only runs as fast as the motor speed on both types of motors...hence for my application according to our motor/VFD vendor I didn't require the more expensive robust inverter motor...like I said different applications may require a different motor.

Nope it's a ribbed belt....hence the difficult time sourcing a longer belt to eliminate the middle pulley....had to order it from the US. I did have to tighten it more than I cared for once the middle pulley was eliminated as it had a tendency to deflect at higher speeds. ( still may fashion and idler for it)  I would have preferred a pulley change to use a link belt, but the taper on the drill press spindle is quite odd, and the time and money didn't seem worth it once I had the press up and running....Good enough for what I do at home, and it runs a lot smoother and quieter than it did before the upgrade..especially once I fine tuned the vfd settings.

My reference to torque was all about the bottom end....it's where I notice it (real life application)when using larger bits below 500 rpm and the vfd appears to be working harder to supply the needed power to spin the larger bits ( the drive gets warmer, and cooling fan runs continuous)....assumption would be I haven't noticed it spinning higher speeds as bits are smaller, and well I'm using wood....but do understand it's a boost across the entire range.

Greg


Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #111 on: April 02, 2019, 04:52 PM »
@neilc Neil, I want to make a table like yours
image
and I noticed that your first ply layer is slightly larger then the iron cast table.

I'd like to know if you notice any bow on your table since? Would you do it the same today?
Mario

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #112 on: April 02, 2019, 05:17 PM »


Hi Mario -

My top is 32" x 17 1/2.  It's 3/4" phenolic birch.  I cut out the right rear to allow the crank to turn.

The second layer is 1/2" baltic birch that is 17 1/2 x 19.  It's glued and screwed together with a replaceable insert.

Attached are a few photos. 

I made inserts to fit the metal table cutouts to make attachment and removal easy.

I've been really happy with the phenolic top and have not seen any bowing at all.

neil

« Last Edit: April 02, 2019, 07:16 PM by neilc »

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #113 on: April 02, 2019, 06:13 PM »
You guys are so lucky, on this side of the pond, the Nova Voyager's are as rare as rocking horse s**t
I have got one on order, which hopefully arrives in June, I really hope it does arrive otherwise I'll sulk like a baby!

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #114 on: April 02, 2019, 07:24 PM »
Thank you Neil, those are really useful pictures. You gave me some ideas on how to affix it securely and quick.

Hang on there Jiggy, you won't be disappointed the day you will put it together  [big grin]
Mario

Offline Trevin

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #115 on: April 02, 2019, 07:34 PM »
I just received my Nova last week and it is awesome!  It runs so smooth.  I put a Shar keyless chuck on it and my woodpecker table and I just love this thing.  I love the ability to just turn the rpms up or down.  I did a "nickel" test on the drill with the nickel on my woodpecker table and it did not move even at 5000 rpm!  I have not checked the runout yet but so far I am very happy with it....
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #116 on: April 02, 2019, 07:55 PM »
@Trevin, please share some picts of your setup and accessories  [smile]
I just received my Nova last week and it is awesome!  It runs so smooth.  I put a Shar keyless chuck on it and my woodpecker table and I just love this thing.  I love the ability to just turn the rpms up or down.  I did a "nickel" test on the drill with the nickel on my woodpecker table and it did not move even at 5000 rpm!  I have not checked the runout yet but so far I am very happy with it....
Mario

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #117 on: April 03, 2019, 06:55 AM »
Thank you Neil, those are really useful pictures. You gave me some ideas on how to affix it securely and quick.

Hang on there Jiggy, you won't be disappointed the day you will put it together  [big grin]

Thanks Mario, I can’t wait!

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #118 on: June 18, 2019, 01:01 PM »
@Mario Turcot You were absolutely right Mario, mine arrived this morning, what a piece of kit!

I’ve used many pillar drills over the years but, nothing like this, it really is like nothing else. I am going to put a keyless chuck on it, probably a Rohm.
Very pleased with it though, it’s amazing!  [thumbs up]

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #119 on: June 18, 2019, 01:05 PM »
@Mario Turcot You were absolutely right Mario, mine arrived this morning, what a piece of kit!

I’ve used many pillar drills over the years but, nothing like this, it really is like nothing else. I am going to put a keyless chuck on it, probably a Rohm.
Very pleased with it though, it’s amazing!  [thumbs up]

Congrats, now lets bore some holessssssss  [big grin]

The only thing I wish the Nova Voyager have is a square pillar to stabilize the center point. I'm wondering why today's drill press are not offering that feature.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2019, 01:10 PM by Mario Turcot »
Mario

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #120 on: June 18, 2019, 02:28 PM »
@Mario Turcot You were absolutely right Mario, mine arrived this morning, what a piece of kit!

I’ve used many pillar drills over the years but, nothing like this, it really is like nothing else. I am going to put a keyless chuck on it, probably a Rohm.
Very pleased with it though, it’s amazing!  [thumbs up]

Congrats, now lets bore some holessssssss  [big grin]

The only thing I wish the Nova Voyager have is a square pillar to stabilize the center point. I'm wondering why today's drill press are not offering that feature.

Thanks Mario, I also agree about the centre points.
This has crossed my mind with other drill presses. Today, I used a laser level to centre everything, and made a few references points with a Sharpy.
I’m off to make more holes now  [big grin]

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Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #121 on: June 21, 2019, 07:05 AM »
Wondering if I could ask some dimensional questions from Nova owners, as I'm trying to figure out whether I can swap one out for the Ridgid drill press I currently operate in my shop.  The specs on the machine for the base are 22 1/4” x 17 1/2″.  Is that the total footprint for the rest of the machine?  The pictures show that the motor doesn't project back past the column, unlike belt driven presses, so it seems like the base dimensions should define the outer limits for the body rest of the machine.  My only worry is the handle on the right to raise and lower the table, which seems to stick out from the machine rather more than on my current press, and would therefore potentially knock into the workbench next to which it would stand.  Anyone got measurements on how far past the base dimensions that handle swings out?
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #122 on: June 21, 2019, 09:33 AM »
@ear3

All dimensions are aprox

Handle side view: The back of the base from the center 5", from the exterior pillar to the edge 2".  Swivel protrude from the back 6" 3/4


Handle front view: The handle protrude from the center of the pillar 14".


Table side view: Base 23" x 18", table 16" 13 x 16" 12. The table protrude in front about 2"


Hope I answer all your questions, if not do not hesitate to ask specifics.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 09:52 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #123 on: June 21, 2019, 12:57 PM »
I replaced my crank handle with a wheel. It might save an inch to the rear. Since it stays under the table it does not waste any space to the right.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #124 on: June 21, 2019, 02:09 PM »
I replaced my crank handle with a wheel. It might save an inch to the rear. Since it stays under the table it does not waste any space to the right.

@Michael Kellough you have a picture to share?

My next shop project is to make a table for the Nova and I would like to see how you handle the handle  [wink]
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #125 on: June 21, 2019, 02:11 PM »
I’m going to make a table and fence for mine, I’m collecting some melamine ply tomorrow.
I picked up a hand wheel today too. I was thinking of leaving the stock crank handle on, and spacing the table higher instead.
As long as it’s firmly secured, I can’t see a problem. The hand wheel would look neater though.
How amazing are these machines? I have been getting used to mine yesterday and today, and really am fascinated by it.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #126 on: June 21, 2019, 02:14 PM »
I've been thinking of (but not doing) about a drill press table upgrade.  Check out how they deal with the handles in this Woodsmith Shop video:

Those gears are expensive but available.  I still haven't figured out where to get the extension rods and connection points.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #127 on: June 21, 2019, 02:15 PM »
Jiggy, you played with the auto start yet? it's seriously  [eek]

I had my sister to make me a blanket to cover it when not in use. I was even thinking of building a little bird house roof on top lol.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #128 on: June 21, 2019, 02:16 PM »
@sprior   [eek] [eek] that is an awesome setup, thank you for sharing. And the crank is on the front  [big grin]
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #129 on: June 21, 2019, 02:19 PM »
Yeah, I don't have the Voyager press, I'm thinking about doing this for my Delta benchtop press.  The thing that's holding me back from buying the Voyager is the idea of the Vulcan - the concept of having some metal milling capability is REALLY compelling, but there are NO review videos showing that in actual use and the availability of the Vulcan is VERY limited so I'm also concerned that it's not a fully real product and could disappear without warning.  I do have a Nova DVR XP wood lathe and I'm quite happy with it.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #130 on: June 21, 2019, 02:47 PM »
Jiggy, you played with the auto start yet? it's seriously  [eek]

I had my sister to make me a blanket to cover it when not in use. I was even thinking of building a little bird house roof on top lol.

Hi Mario, Yes I’ve dabbled with it, very clever indeed, and safer in many aspects.
The bird house roof idea has given me the giggles!  [big grin] [big grin]

@sprior That looks very neat and functional  [thumbs up]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #131 on: June 21, 2019, 02:59 PM »
I'd be tempted to fabricate an adapter that mated to the spot where the hand crank attaches and had a hex head bolt on the other end. Then just use an impact wrench or something to turn it.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #132 on: June 21, 2019, 03:00 PM »
If I started thinking about it too much I might attach a stepper motor and cheap controller to run it.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #133 on: June 21, 2019, 03:01 PM »
I replaced the crank on mine first with a wheel, and then with a socket - extension - long handle flex head ratchet. The wheel was OK until I added a heavy table.  The ratchet set up works well ..... plenty of leverage and no interference with wall or table.

Seth

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #134 on: June 21, 2019, 03:16 PM »
@SRSemenza Hi Seth, yes i wondered how a wheel might be with a heavy table, the wheel I bought has a crank handle too, but still.

I can’t understand why more people don’t make a table that sits higher, to miss the crank. With a pillar drill there is plenty of room both up and down?
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #135 on: June 21, 2019, 04:15 PM »
I'm thinking or a power drive, with a switch to raise/lower the table.

A reversible motor and the proper gearing is all it needs.


McMaster-Carr would be a good place to search for beveled gears,
bushings, bearings, and such. There are others, but McMaster comes
to mind right off.

https://www.mcmaster.com/bevel-gears

https://www.mcmaster.com/hand-wheels

https://www.mcmaster.com/rotary-electrical-actuators


A good source for linear actuators to use for projects is replacement recliner chair actuators. They come in various lengths and power requirements. Most are reversing which fits a lot of applications. And they are inexpensive, about $60 or less, you'll need to add a power supply for most but those can be had for $15 to $25.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #136 on: June 21, 2019, 04:35 PM »
This thread is taking a dangerous direction.  We'll start off just having a motor with an up or down button, then someone will get a bright idea to have a digital position readout (in mm of course), then how about programmable positions, then all the money gets sucked out of the room.  Oh I forgot, this a the Festool forum, no money left anyway  [wink]
« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 04:41 PM by sprior »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #137 on: June 21, 2019, 04:52 PM »
This thread is taking a dangerous direction.  We'll start off just having a motor with an up or down button, then someone will get a bright idea to have a digital position readout (in mm of course), then how about programmable positions, then all the money gets sucked out of the room.  Oh I forgot, this a the Festool forum, no money left anyway  [wink]

Next stop, elimination of the need to turn the quill crank.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #138 on: June 21, 2019, 06:25 PM »
OK, I can take a hint. I'll stop before the bank is broke. :-)

The NOVA Voyager is my next big tool purchase, later this year I suspect.

I've had the NOVA DVR lathe for about 8 years now and it's great.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #139 on: June 22, 2019, 06:56 AM »
Thanks @Mario Turcot

@ear3

All dimensions are aprox

Handle side view: The back of the base from the center 5", from the exterior pillar to the edge 2".  Swivel protrude from the back 6" 3/4
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Handle front view: The handle protrude from the center of the pillar 14".
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Table side view: Base 23" x 18", table 16" 13 x 16" 12. The table protrude in front about 2"
(Attachment Link)

Hope I answer all your questions, if not do not hesitate to ask specifics.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #140 on: June 22, 2019, 07:05 AM »
@SRSemenza Any pics?  I might have to do something similar if I get this press in order to fit it in my space.

I replaced the crank on mine first with a wheel, and then with a socket - extension - long handle flex head ratchet. The wheel was OK until I added a heavy table.  The ratchet set up works well ..... plenty of leverage and no interference with wall or table.

Seth
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press WHEEL
« Reply #141 on: June 22, 2019, 11:48 AM »
Not the best angle to judge space requirements or savings but it looks like it does not project to the rear any farther than the clamp arm that fixes table height and it obviously does not come close to the right side of the table.

The drill is in another shop across the Hudson so it’s not convenient at this time to get a better picture. I’m able to raise the table via the wheel even with the heavy cross slide table onboard, but not easily.

The laser is a Wixey device. It has to be adjusted to the height of the work surface (the top of the workpiece) but if you have a lot of work at that height it’s helpful.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #142 on: June 22, 2019, 12:05 PM »
@SRSemenza Any pics?  I might have to do something similar if I get this press in order to fit it in my space.

I replaced the crank on mine first with a wheel, and then with a socket - extension - long handle flex head ratchet. The wheel was OK until I added a heavy table.  The ratchet set up works well ..... plenty of leverage and no interference with wall or table.

Seth

    Nothing fancy.

    I used a threaded rod connector to make the transition. In the case of this Delta press I drilled and tapped through the side ( the connector) for a set screw to tighten against the flat side of the drill press shaft. Others may be different. Then just added whatever socket / ratchet stuff I wanted.

          


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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press WHEEL
« Reply #143 on: June 22, 2019, 01:07 PM »

I’m able to raise the table via the wheel even with the heavy cross slide table onboard, but not easily.


Michael, I have an older Delta drill press with a "production coolant table", add on a Woodpeckers top and a 40# Heinrich vise and even with the stock crank set-up it can be very difficult to raise. I find that by lifting up on the front edge of the table, even slightly, with one hand while then cranking with the other hand the process becomes much, much easier.  [big grin]


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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press WHEEL
« Reply #144 on: June 22, 2019, 01:49 PM »

I’m able to raise the table via the wheel even with the heavy cross slide table onboard, but not easily.


Michael, I have an older Delta drill press with a "production coolant table", add on a Woodpeckers top and a 40# Heinrich vise and even with the stock crank set-up it can be very difficult to raise. I find that by lifting up on the front edge of the table, even slightly, with one hand while then cranking with the other hand the process becomes much, much easier.  [big grin]

Don’t think it would go up at all without lifting the front of the table. Also, might gouge the column.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #145 on: June 22, 2019, 08:20 PM »
I think the wheel is easier to turn than the long crank, no extraneous lateral motion. But you do have to get farther around the side of the table to get to the wheel.


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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #146 on: June 24, 2019, 02:01 PM »
@sprior
This thread is taking a dangerous direction.  We'll start off just having a motor with an up or down button, then someone will get a bright idea to have a digital position readout (in mm of course), then how about programmable positions, then all the money gets sucked out of the room.  Oh I forgot, this a the Festool forum, no money left anyway  [wink]

You asked for it  [tongue]

12v 1Ton lift

I let you deal with the digital readout  [big grin]

You can also use something like powerlift Desk with 4 programmable position.
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #147 on: June 28, 2019, 03:54 PM »
My Rohm Spiro chuck arrived today, the arbor is to follow.
I’ve owned a few Rohm chuck before, (Supra) and always been very happy with them. This time I dropped a bit more money on the Spiro, it’s built to a better tolerance. Feels very nice in the hand, just hope it’s as nice on the Voyager.

Will start making my table on Sunday hopefully, and possibly a mobile base, and an anchoring bracket for the column.
Really love this machine.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #148 on: June 28, 2019, 06:08 PM »
That's a nice chuck  [smile]

You seriously consider a mobile base?

Any draft of your table yet? I watched a few dozen videos of people table and I'm not decided yet. I like that one from WoodSmith but there is so many.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2019, 06:10 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #149 on: June 29, 2019, 03:28 AM »
Hi Mario, yeah it’s a real nice chuck, I’m considering a mobile base, only because the area where the press will probably live, is used mainly for stock storage, and it might mean the drill press would sometimes have to moved out of the way, and then replaced again. Just like being pulled out a few feet, then pushed back.
If I went with this, it would also have an anchor point on the column to hold it firmly in place.
Still undecided though, and may locate it elsewhere.

I think for the table, I’ll use 18mm melamine faced ply, bonded to standard 18mm ply. Then four T channels going front to rear, and one full width channel at the front.
And a fence with a flip stop, maybe two.

I’ll keep the measurements and post it up when done  ;)

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« Reply #150 on: July 10, 2019, 01:34 PM »
Just sold my Ridgid drill press on Craigslist!  Am going to place the order on the Nova pretty soon, once I figure out how to coordinate delivery.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #151 on: July 10, 2019, 04:10 PM »
I think you will really like it. 

I just used mine for precisely drilling cup hinge holes for 8 cabinet doors.  With an added table made from Woodpecker parts, the drill press makes it really easy.  Love the automatic depth stop and the variable speed as I've never been that confident with turning a large Forstner bit too fast.

Check with your local Rockler as I got a mailer on floor models of various fixed base tools on sale including the Nova drill press here in Chicago.  You might find one locally.

Also, check when you get it as there have been two software updates since I owned mine.  You need a windows-based computer with USB to update the software, but the new features are nice!

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #152 on: July 10, 2019, 04:26 PM »
I think you will really like it. 

Love the automatic depth stop and the variable speed as I've never been that confident with turning a large Forstner bit too fast.

Don't forget the zero setting for depth stop. At first I set my zero with the table. that;s after a few months I realized that the zero is a reference with the piece you want to bore. Easy and quick setting. Put your bit on and your board, while the drill speed is off drive down the quill until you touch the board. Hit the ZERO button. Release the quill and set your depth. For some reasons it took me a while to figure that one  [eek]

Perhaps, reading the manual would have helped a bit.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #153 on: July 10, 2019, 04:49 PM »
I have now put mine on a mobile base, if I have too move it, I lower the table to help with it being top heavy, and it is very easy to move around. I have small heavy duty castors that take 120kg each, swivel lockable. I made some wall clamps for safety too. When it’s locked down and clamped it’s solid as a rock.

Hopefully start making my table in the next few days too.
Had a surprising issue with the new Rohm chuck. I checked my machine’s spindle without chuck and arbor, and it was .005 half of a 1 thousandth of an inch. Then the Chinese arbor, .002, the Rohm arbor was around the same. Then mounted the Chinese stock chuck .005, then put the Rohm chuck on, tried with both arbors, and a disappointing .009
I have had Rohm chucks before always good, mainly Supra’s, this one is the better tolerance, more expensive Spiro.
I sent the supplier videos of the runout tests, and the chuck is on it’s way back to Rohm.
They can refund or replace, I want the chuck but one that doesn’t wobble  [blink]

If not I guess I’ll shell out a little more for an Albrecht.
Amazing machine though, been using the depth stop a lot recently. I half expect the machine to talk to me when I switch on!

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #154 on: July 10, 2019, 05:01 PM »
Thanks for the tips.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #155 on: July 10, 2019, 05:30 PM »
@ear3 Another tip, my Voyager came with a chuck guard, apparently the European version has to have one (EU regs). So the software update is different, and some have installed it by mistake, which means the machine will not start, as it thinks the guard is open. So just double check you have the right firmware.

I have actually removed my guard as it was annoying me, and I just leave the micro switch in the closed position.

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« Reply #156 on: July 10, 2019, 05:37 PM »
Thanks Jiggy!

@ear3 Another tip, my Voyager came with a chuck guard, apparently the European version has to have one (EU regs). So the software update is different, and some have installed it by mistake, which means the machine will not start, as it thinks the guard is open. So just double check you have the right firmware.

I have actually removed my guard as it was annoying me, and I just leave the micro switch in the closed position.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #157 on: July 10, 2019, 05:45 PM »
You’re welcome, and I hope you enjoy the machine, I’m sure you will.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #158 on: July 10, 2019, 08:57 PM »
Just sold my Ridgid drill press on Craigslist!  Am going to place the order on the Nova pretty soon, once I figure out how to coordinate delivery.

10 years ago when I bought my Unisaw Woodcraft delivered it to me in their truck with a lift gate. I have a pickup and a trailer but the lift gate made it very easy, they dropped right at the garage door. I think it cost me $50 for them to bring it the 25 miles to my house, and that included a bridge toll. From there I moved it into the shop and set it up on my own, including picking the saw up to set it in the mobile base.

If you don't have a pickup you can rent one with a lift gate I believe from U-haul for less than $50/day I would bet, or maybe whoever you are planning to purchase from can handle delivery as Woodcraft did for me.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #159 on: July 21, 2019, 03:13 PM »
Just pulled the trigger on the Drill Press.  Ordered direct from Acme tools, which does free delivery.  I'll see if I can convince driver with a generous tip to help roll the unit down my 70 foot (fortunately flat) driveway to the front of my garage/shop, as opposed to just dropping it curbside.

I have my neighbor, who works UPS freight, on assist with muscle on the assembly.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #160 on: July 21, 2019, 03:17 PM »
Just pulled the trigger on the Drill Press.

Congrats on your new toy  [big grin]

Assembly is very simple & having another set of hands help when it's time to put the head. Make sure to read the assembly steps  [wink]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #161 on: July 21, 2019, 03:43 PM »
Yes as Mario says, easy assembly, the head unit is an awkward and quite heavy part. So just be aware, if you have help though, it’s very manageable.

I’ve nearly finished my table now, just got to make the fence. I went with a hand wheel for the rise and fall, works fine but the table needs to be lifted with one hand, whilst winding with the other, all ok though.

The mobile base arrangement works well, just need my replacement Rohm chuck now.

Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #162 on: July 24, 2019, 10:42 PM »
Just received my replacement chuck for my Voyager. After months of deliberation, I finally broke down and ordered an Albrecht chuck from McMaster Carr. I also purchased a MT2 to J33 arbor so I can use the other chuck on my wood lathes, or if I need the extra capacity, (the stock chuck will accept bits to 16mm), be able to pop it back into the Nova.

Swap out is seamless seeings how they provide the drift to remove the chuck.
The
I went ahead and chucked up a centering bit so I could put a dial indicator on it to check runout. I expected to see at least a little, but to my surprise, I measured none whatsoever with my instruments. The only way to show any movement on the dial indicator, was to push on the side of the chuck.

Runout wise, I got a winner.  I’m looking forward toward the elimination of that chuck key, and with Albrecht’s reputation, don’t expect to see any drill bit slippage either.

Jiggly, if that replacement don’t work out for you, pony on up to the Albrecht. Definitely impressive.
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Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #163 on: July 24, 2019, 11:00 PM »
I bought a used Albrecht on eBay - there are usually quite a few listed.  I paid $95 for a 1/2" and just moved the tapered MT2 arbor over. 

I've been very impressed with the difference in that and a china keyless knockoff I had purchased from Amazon.  I didn't have a  dial indicator but see no runout visually with a bit or rod in the chuck.

Offline tdwilli1

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #164 on: July 25, 2019, 10:21 AM »
Which part number did you order? There are 3 different 1/2" on their site and they don't really describe the differences.

Just received my replacement chuck for my Voyager. After months of deliberation, I finally broke down and ordered an Albrecht chuck from McMaster Carr. I also purchased a MT2 to J33 arbor so I can use the other chuck on my wood lathes, or if I need the extra capacity, (the stock chuck will accept bits to 16mm), be able to pop it back into to the Nova.

Swap out is seamless seeings how they provide the drift to remove the chuck.
The
I went ahead and chucked up a centering bit so I could put a dial indicator on it to check runout. I expected to see at least a little, but to my surprise, I measured none whatsoever with my instruments. The only way to show any movement on the dial indicator, was to push on the side of the chuck.

Runout wise, I got a winner.  I’m looking forward toward the elimination of that chuck key, and with Albrecht’s reputation, don’t expect to see any drill bit slippage either.

Jiggly, if that replacement don’t work out for you, pony on up to the Albrecht. Definitely impressive.

Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #165 on: July 25, 2019, 06:24 PM »
I ordered model C130-J33, for 1/32” to 1/2” bit shank size, McMaster Carr # 2823A19. I’d researched which I wanted, so only needed to find the correct part number when I came here.  I also ordered a MT2 to J33 arbor as well, McMaster Carr #2811A31 to match up with the Nova drill press.

 
Which part number did you order? There are 3 different 1/2" on their site and they don't really describe the differences.

Just received my replacement chuck for my Voyager. After months of deliberation, I finally broke down and ordered an Albrecht chuck from McMaster Carr. I also purchased a MT2 to J33 arbor so I can use the other chuck on my wood lathes, or if I need the extra capacity, (the stock chuck will accept bits to 16mm), be able to pop it back into the Nova.

Swap out is seamless seeings how they provide the drift to remove the chuck.
The
I went ahead and chucked up a centering bit so I could put a dial indicator on it to check runout. I expected to see at least a little, but to my surprise, I measured none whatsoever with my instruments. The only way to show any movement on the dial indicator, was to push on the side of the chuck.

Runout wise, I got a winner.  I’m looking forward toward the elimination of that chuck key, and with Albrecht’s reputation, don’t expect to see any drill bit slippage either.

Jiggly, if that replacement don’t work out for you, pony on up to the Albrecht. Definitely impressive.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #166 on: July 25, 2019, 10:33 PM »
I have 3 Albrecht’s that I swap between the drill press and the lathe. There is nothing better... guaranteed.

Zero runout and absolute clamping of the drill bits yield a great user experience.

After purchasing all 3 on eBay for a deal, I’d pay full list for one if it wasn’t available for a discount elsewhere.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #167 on: July 26, 2019, 02:54 AM »
I’m having a bit of a saga at the moment with the chuck, the company where I bought it asked for it to be returned to Rohm. It’s been back there since the 18th, and the supplier keep apologising saying he’s waiting for a report, and that Rohm are slow to respond?

I’ve now asked for either a replacement or refund. The Spiro that I bought, which I think was £175 is supposed to be on par with a similar model Albrecht, obviously mine was not.
I’ve had the cheaper Rohm Supra’s in the past, and still have a couple but, they won’t fit the Voyager. They have been faultless, so I though the more expensive and better tolerance Spiro would be a good bet.

If it goes down the refund route, I will source an Albrecht.
The chucks seem to be the downfall of most non engineering drill presses, some of the machines are superb for woodworking but, let down with awful chucks.

I would of happily paid more for the Voyager with a decent chuck.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #168 on: July 26, 2019, 09:07 AM »
The Spiro that I bought, which I think was £175 is supposed to be on par with a similar model Albrecht, obviously mine was not.

If it goes down the refund route, I will source an Albrecht.
The chucks seem to be the downfall of most non engineering drill presses, some of the machines are superb for woodworking but, let down with awful chucks.

I would of happily paid more for the Voyager with a decent chuck.

Hey Jiggy,
Rohm chucks are outstanding, the equivalent of an Albrecht. The only issue for us in the USA is that there aren't many in use and therefore there aren't many for resale. I hope you get yours squared away. It's frustrating to have a new drill press and not be able to use it.  [sad]  My next drill press will probably be a Voyager or it's metal working cousin the Vulcan. 

I purchased my Delta metal working drill press before eBay existed. So when it arrived and I noticed it had .015" runout when mated to its Chinese made chuck, I really had no other option than to purchase a Jacobs Super Ball Bearing chuck locally and pay full list price. That marriage dropped the runout to .002" which was fine for my uses.

During the financial meltdown a number of years ago, I noticed a bunch of Albrecht chucks on eBay that were almost "free" so that's when I started picking them up.

I'm also confused as to why Nova doesn't offer as an option, a good aftermarket drill chuck. Just make the chuck offering at cost and keep your customer base happy.

The only drill press manufacturers that offer optional quality aftermarket chucks are Clausing, Ellis & Flott. 


Offline tdwilli1

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #169 on: July 26, 2019, 09:50 AM »
I ordered model C130-J33, for 1/32” to 1/2” bit shank size, McMaster Carr # 2823A19. I’d researched which I wanted, so only needed to find the correct part number when I came here.  I also ordered a MT2 to J33 arbor as well, McMaster Carr #2811A31 to match up with the Nova drill press.

Thanks! Ordered them and will be here on Monday!

Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #170 on: July 26, 2019, 12:50 PM »
Curious why one would order the chuck and the arbor separately, when there is an option on McMaster Carr for an Albrecht chuck with integral arbor?

I ordered model C130-J33, for 1/32” to 1/2” bit shank size, McMaster Carr # 2823A19. I’d researched which I wanted, so only needed to find the correct part number when I came here.  I also ordered a MT2 to J33 arbor as well, McMaster Carr #2811A31 to match up with the Nova drill press.

 
Which part number did you order? There are 3 different 1/2" on their site and they don't really describe the differences.

Just received my replacement chuck for my Voyager. After months of deliberation, I finally broke down and ordered an Albrecht chuck from McMaster Carr. I also purchased a MT2 to J33 arbor so I can use the other chuck on my wood lathes, or if I need the extra capacity, (the stock chuck will accept bits to 16mm), be able to pop it back into the Nova.

Swap out is seamless seeings how they provide the drift to remove the chuck.
The
I went ahead and chucked up a centering bit so I could put a dial indicator on it to check runout. I expected to see at least a little, but to my surprise, I measured none whatsoever with my instruments. The only way to show any movement on the dial indicator, was to push on the side of the chuck.

Runout wise, I got a winner.  I’m looking forward toward the elimination of that chuck key, and with Albrecht’s reputation, don’t expect to see any drill bit slippage either.

Jiggly, if that replacement don’t work out for you, pony on up to the Albrecht. Definitely impressive.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #171 on: July 26, 2019, 01:25 PM »
Not sure but perhaps the "integral" mean a permanent fixture?

Personally, I would go with an integral. Especially with a chuck with that quality & price.
Mario

Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #172 on: July 26, 2019, 02:59 PM »
Yeah, something like the Albrecht CP130-2MT: https://www.mcmaster.com/albrecht-chucks

Also, why is it about the mechanics of drill chucks where the range seems to be either 1/32-1/2 or 1/8-5/8?  Why not 1/32-5/8?
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #173 on: July 26, 2019, 03:24 PM »
@ear3 not a machinist but I’m with you, seems like there would be less total runout with an integral arbor than a two piece set.

Chuck jaws that can grasp a 1/32” diameter drill need to be very narrow on the business side. That results in less grip area and may be insufficient for larger diameter bits.

Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #174 on: July 26, 2019, 03:46 PM »
That makes sense -- I assumed there must be a reason like that.

I guess someone might buy an arborless chuck if they were switching it back and forth between machines with different arbors?  My lathe has an MT2 arbor as well, so if I wanted to swap the chuck between the two, having the fixed arbor would not be an issue.

@ear3 not a machinist but I’m with you, seems like there would be less total runout with an integral arbor than a two piece set.

Chuck jaws that can grasp a 1/32” diameter drill need to be very narrow on the business side. That results in less grip area and may be insufficient for larger diameter bits.
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #175 on: July 26, 2019, 04:01 PM »
@Cheese Thanks and thanks for the explanation, I must admit, I wondered why you guys didn’t mention Rohm much. So apart from Albrecht’s being superb chucks, I understand their popularity in the USA.

I must admit I’m kicking myself a little now, as I couldn’t decide between Albrecht and Rohm, and it was only the fact that I’ve had Rohm before without issue that swayed me.
Regarding the Vulcan, I think given your mix of woodworking and metalworking the Vulcan would be an excellent choice.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #176 on: July 26, 2019, 04:34 PM »
@ear3 not a machinist but I’m with you, seems like there would be less total runout with an integral arbor than a two piece set.

Chuck jaws that can grasp a 1/32” diameter drill need to be very narrow on the business side. That results in less grip area and may be insufficient for larger diameter bits.

There is theoretically less runout with an integral arbor model. However Albrecht checks every drill chuck for runout and the max that is allowed is .04 mm (1 1/2 thousandths) so for probably 99% of all the jobs whatever you gain with an integral arbor doesn't make much difference.

I like the changeable arbor models because my lathe is a MT2 while the drill press is a MT3. I also have an extra tailstock that's an MT1.

It's the inherent locking jaw design that prevents the jaws from closing down to zero. The 1/2" model Albrecht is rated to hold 1.0-13 mm drill bits, but in actuality it will chuck up a drill bit that's only .6 mm in diameter.


Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #177 on: July 29, 2019, 12:38 PM »
Delivered this morning, and am in the midst of setting it up.

Question -- someone must sell a certified, straight rod to use for testing drill press runout.  I want to run a test but want to make sure what I'm chucking up is absolutely straight.
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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #178 on: July 29, 2019, 12:59 PM »
Delivered this morning, and am in the midst of setting it up.

Question -- someone must sell a certified, straight rod to use for testing drill press runout.  I want to run a test but want to make sure what I'm chucking up is absolutely straight.

If you have a defective printer somewhere collecting dust, you are set: destroy it, but take care with the rods. Save one. They are made to quite exacting dimensions and will work fine in the chuck for your purpose. (Viz: Matthias Wandel).
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Offline hdv

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #179 on: July 29, 2019, 01:02 PM »
I just used a piece of stainless steel axle that I had lying around. You might be surprised how straight axles are. To check I used a straight edge and a feeler. Any discrepancies were so small that they surely would not be of any significance for this purpose.

Offline grbmds

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #180 on: July 29, 2019, 01:11 PM »
Hope you guys have better experiences with the Nova control units that control the operation and speed of the tool. I own a Nova Comet II lathe that is a DVR lathe (in combination with a 3-pulley system). After 2 1/2 years the control unit just died (at least I'm hoping it's the control unit and not the motor). My only choice is to replace the control unit at my cost because the warranty is 2 years. The control unit looks like brand new inside, the fuse is good, and there is no evidence of any type of burn out from surges or other electrical problems. It just basically failed and, because the warranty was up, Nova won't even consider that the unit might have had a problem to begin with. I get it and they don't have to do anything because of the warranty, but it's a $160 part. They just basically didn't even consider circumstances and indicated that it was basically my fault because I didn't have a surge protector for the lathe. (I have no surge protectors in my shop and haven't had a single problem with any tool, electronic or otherwise, in 25 years.) Anyway, I have no faith in their electronics at this point. Hope the control unit in the drill press is a better one.

At the very least you may want to use a surge protector on the drill press or Nova may not stand behind the warranty. That's the indication from them even with a potential warranty issue.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #181 on: July 29, 2019, 01:15 PM »
Question -- someone must sell a certified, straight rod to use for testing drill press runout.  I want to run a test but want to make sure what I'm chucking up is absolutely straight.

Just go to the hardware store and purchase a 3/8” diameter dowel pin. They’re centerless ground and the diameter is within .0001”, or it may even be within .0005”.  Grab one say 3” long, cost maybe $1.


« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 01:48 PM by Cheese »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #182 on: July 29, 2019, 01:34 PM »
At McMaster

I doubt you need something this costly but it suits your request.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #183 on: July 29, 2019, 01:51 PM »
@ear3 Edward here are a couple from McMaster-Carr

1/2 x 6

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381A735

1/2 by 5

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381A734

Tolerances are from 0.0001 to 0.0003

Use it for the dial indicator and the with spacers to set your distance to the fence or stop. With the 1/2 inch rod chucked the quill center is always 1/4 inch from the outside edge of the rod.

So put a hole 1 inch from the edge, chuck the rod and put a 3/4 inch spacer between the fence and the rod.

There are also metric dowels if you use metric more.

Ron

Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #184 on: July 29, 2019, 02:41 PM »
Thanks @rvieceli

@ear3 Edward here are a couple from McMaster-Carr

1/2 x 6

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381A735

1/2 by 5

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381A734

Tolerances are from 0.0001 to 0.0003

Use it for the dial indicator and the with spacers to set your distance to the fence or stop. With the 1/2 inch rod chucked the quill center is always 1/4 inch from the outside edge of the rod.

So put a hole 1 inch from the edge, chuck the rod and put a 3/4 inch spacer between the fence and the rod.

There are also metric dowels if you use metric more.

Ron
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Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #185 on: July 29, 2019, 02:42 PM »
Let me just add that I'm a bit surprised about the metal insert in the table that it sits so far below the surface.  I guess I'll just make some of my own wooden ones that are fluesh to the table.
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #186 on: July 29, 2019, 03:02 PM »
I noticed that too Edward, and when you remove the screws, you will see the plate is very thin, making the use of wood or MDF difficult as it’s so thin.

I knew I was making a table so no problem but, it’s a good point you’ve made.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #187 on: July 29, 2019, 03:23 PM »
Edward, here's how I roll...

A 1/2"Ø dowel pin, an indicator, a magnetic indicator base, a couple of steel parallels and a clamp.



Mount everything and place the indicator base on the parallels. Clamp the parallels down when everything's in position. Zero out the indicator.



Keep your hands and your body from touching the drill press table and slowly rotate the chuck. Result....0025" runout.  [smile]



Offline grbmds

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #188 on: July 29, 2019, 04:04 PM »
Just an addition to my previous post and this is something you may already know. In the manual for the drill press, Nova states that a surge protected circuit must be used. They also state that GFI outlets may not be compatible with the variable speed motor.

I have never used surge protectors in my shop and, for the past 20+ years, nothing has ever failed except my Move lathe controller. I am going to use one in the future for that tool, but the others don't seem to require it.

Just cautioning you in case you don't already know Nova's requirements. They appear to hold rigidly to the issue of a surge protected outlet as they made a big deal of that to me.
Randy

Offline rst

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #189 on: July 29, 2019, 04:09 PM »
Years ago, I learned a poor man's method of squaring the table to  the chuck.  Bend a rod into a Z (not JZ), chuck one end rotating the chuck and observing where the opposite end of the rod touched and did not touch the table, shim the table accordingly.  Pretty sure I learned this trick from a very old copy of Fine Woodworking (I had subscribed form their beginning, when they were still B&W, and the photography was more like art).

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #190 on: July 29, 2019, 04:09 PM »
Question for the guys who know more about this stuff than me (a large group).
The dowel pin is rated for diameter tolerance but I think Ed was looking for straightness.
Both characteristics are important to test runout so which round piece of metal is most suitable for that?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #191 on: July 29, 2019, 04:18 PM »
Years ago, I learned a poor man's method of squaring the table to  the chuck.  Bend a rod into a Z (not JZ), chuck one end rotating the chuck and observing where the opposite end of the rod touched and did not touch the table, shim the table accordingly.  Pretty sure I learned this trick from a very old copy of Fine Woodworking (I had subscribed form their beginning, when they were still B&W, and the photography was more like art).

A lazy L works too, bigger the better.

+1 on the early FWW but I bought it for the articles  [wink]
The text was dense and aimed at professional woodworkers.
Although it was sometimes difficult for me to make sense of,
those puzzling details that stuck in my head became clear with experience.

Offline hdv

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #192 on: July 29, 2019, 04:25 PM »
The problem with the old coat hanger trick is that you are measuring two sources of error: is the table exactly perpendicular to the axis of the chuck, and does the chuck have no round out?

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #193 on: July 29, 2019, 06:08 PM »
Question for the guys who know more about this stuff than me (a large group).
The dowel pin is rated for diameter tolerance but I think Ed was looking for straightness.
Both characteristics are important to test runout so which round piece of metal is most suitable for that?

Michael I am reasonably certain that these precision ground pins are straighter than I have the equipment and ability to measure

Ron

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #194 on: July 29, 2019, 06:09 PM »
The dowel pin is rated for diameter tolerance but I think Ed was looking for straightness.
Both characteristics are important to test runout so which round piece of metal is most suitable for that?

Michael, I don't know what the straightness specs are but by virtue of the functionality of the dowel pin, and the method in which it's manufactured, it'd have to be straight by (my guess) .0001" to .0005".

These are hardened slugs of metal so they're not going to bend at all. They're also center less ground to size so that makes the straightness issue a non-issue.  [big grin]

I checked Unbrako and their spec for a 1/2"Ø dowel pin is .5001-.5003" diameter.  So 2 ten-thousandths of an inch. As an aside, Albrecht chucks are held to .0015" runout or 7.5 times greater.

Here's an Unbrako app for Mac's. They also offer one for Android.

https://apps.apple.com/ae/app/unbrako/id508313541

Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #195 on: July 29, 2019, 07:05 PM »
Thanks for the setup pics @Cheese -- that's basically how I'm going to do mine, though with a dial indicator that's slightly lower class than Starrett  [embarassed]

One other thing about the insert that I want to grip about.  The mounting holes were not drilled along the exact diameter of the circle, such that the holes do not line up perfectly with the tapped holes of the table.  The thing is, assuming the insert plate was installed by hand, the person doing it must have known this, because one of the mounting screws was still noticeably proud of the plate, as it could not be countrersunk all the way due to the misalignment.  One of the hex head screws was also almost stripped, as if the person installing it labored to get it in.

I ended up filing the hole a bit wider and extending the countersink so that screw is now flush with the plate (and will have to get some new machine screws before the current ones strip completely).  Not a detail that affects the overall function of the machine, but this seems like something even a rudimentary QC should have caught.


Edward, here's how I roll...

A 1/2"Ø dowel pin, an indicator, a magnetic indicator base, a couple of steel parallels and a clamp.

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Mount everything and place the indicator base on the parallels. Clamp the parallels down when everything's in position. Zero out the indicator.

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Keep your hands and your body from touching the drill press table and slowly rotate the chuck. Result....0025" runout.  [smile]

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Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #196 on: July 29, 2019, 07:47 PM »
It also says in the manual that you should not use a mobile base with it. Is that a function of the electronics sensitivity, because it otherwise doesn't seem to be more top heavy and unwieldy than my previous floor drill press?
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #197 on: July 29, 2019, 08:05 PM »
McMaster-Carr sells drill rod by the foot.

Here's one example, about $6 plus any taxes and shipping.

https://www.mcmaster.com/8893k1

You may be able to find something closer, maybe even check
at your local machine shop and see if you can buy a short length
from them.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #198 on: July 29, 2019, 08:27 PM »

One other thing about the insert that I want to gripe about. Not a detail that affects the overall function of the machine, but this seems like something even a rudimentary QC should have caught.


That’s unfortunate Edward, especially on a new piece of equipment.

It could be an opportunity however to make your own aluminum plate and make it flush with the table. Holesaw the inside diameter and jigsaw the outside diameter.  [big grin]

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #199 on: July 29, 2019, 08:43 PM »
It also says in the manual that you should not use a mobile base with it. Is that a function of the electronics sensitivity, because it otherwise doesn't seem to be more top heavy and unwieldy than my previous floor drill press?

That’s one I’d ignore. I do use a surge protector.

Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #200 on: July 29, 2019, 09:08 PM »
I use a surge arrestor because I have a DVR lathe in addition to the Voyager drill press. Where it gets more fun is when you want to run the unit on 220V, as I do for both units.

I ended up getting a surge arrestor that mounts in the breaker panel and protects both legs of power that way. Also means that all I had to do was plug it into my power outlet. (It helps when you have a separate breaker panel for the workshop.)

Another cool thing about the unit is that in order to run it on 220V, all you have to do is connect it to that power source. The unit automatically senses what power it’s connected to and operates the same regardless of the voltage from the power source. To keep things simple, I ended up just making a pigtail that plugs into my 220V outlet and has a female 110V outlet end. I just plug the Voyager’s 110V plug into the pigtail, and plug that into my 220V power source.

If I want/need to connect it to a 110V circuit instead, I need only unplug it from the pigtail and I’m good to go.
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Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #201 on: July 29, 2019, 09:09 PM »
Edward

Do you not think you’ll make a full table with replaceable insert?  I took the metal insert out of my table and just use the laminated top.  I too found the metal insert was not seating the way it should.

Enjoy the DP.  And check for software updates.  As I said earlier you need a windows machine with a USB cable to update it.  It will run under parallels on a Mac as an emulator for windows.  But no native Mac updater is available.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #202 on: July 29, 2019, 10:32 PM »
So to update the DP software you need to have a Windows machine nearby (within connection distance).

Can't be loaded onto a USB drive that you insert then boot from or access the update file from the setup menu on the DP.

That would seem to make a notebook or laptop the way to go. I wouldn't want to drag one of my desktop machines out in the shop just to update the DP software.
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Offline Mark Katz

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #203 on: July 30, 2019, 05:09 AM »
So to update the DP software you need to have a Windows machine nearby (within connection distance).

Well then, no Nova Voyager Drill Press for me. In our household we have 5 Macs of various flavors, 3 iPads of various vintages, 2 iPhones and a couple of Android phones. Damned if I'm going to buy a Windows machine (no matter how cheaply a basic one can be obtained) just for this one purpose. It's about time that they wrote an app for both IOS and Android that would do this one function.

It's not like the product just came out and they need a little extra time to get a phone app up and running.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #204 on: July 30, 2019, 06:55 AM »
Mark don't take my question as fact. I am asking if that is the case not stating that you need a windows computer to do the upgrades. While I am fairly sure that is what was said I'm asking for confirmation.

I agree that a smartphone app would be a lot easier for updating a machine such as this which is located in a spot not normally populated with a computer due to the dusty environment. And who has time for a computer anyway when you're doing something more important like working in the woodshop. :-)
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #205 on: July 30, 2019, 09:54 AM »
So to update the DP software you need to have a Windows machine nearby (within connection distance).

Well then, no Nova Voyager Drill Press for me. In our household we have 5 Macs of various flavors, 3 iPads of various vintages, 2 iPhones and a couple of Android phones. Damned if I'm going to buy a Windows machine (no matter how cheaply a basic one can be obtained) just for this one purpose. It's about time that they wrote an app for both IOS and Android that would do this one function.

It's not like the product just came out and they need a little extra time to get a phone app up and running.

I’ve been using Macs exclusively since the Mac SE but I bought an Asis notebook to activate the Voyager’s tapping feature.

Unfortunately the tapping feature only worked correctly about 10 percent of the time but when it did it was wonderful. Despite the disappointing unreliability of the tapping feature the other features allowed a fairly efficient workaround.

Between a keyless chuck (with wrench tightening option for reverse use) depth stop, forward/reverse, speed control (I think that’s all I used 2.5 years ago) I was able to drill and tap three dozen 1/2”-20 holes in 1-1/2” aluminum probably ten times faster than I could have with an ordinary drill press. Saved a lot more than the Asis notebook cost.

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #206 on: July 30, 2019, 10:25 PM »
I use a Mac notebook running a windows emulator and windows SW.  Parallels emulator is about $40 plus a basic version of windows which you can find from $20 to $100 online.  Given the drill press is $1700, I would not let the price of software for a mac stop you from buying if that's what you have.

Given Voyager have only released a Windows updater, I would not hold my breath for a Mac, Andriod or IOS updater anytime soon.

It's a really nice drill press and I've found the SW updates worthwhile.  But I use windows for other applications in CNC use as well.


Offline Mark Katz

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #207 on: July 31, 2019, 04:36 AM »
Okay, @neilc, I misread your earlier comment as the updater wouldn't run under Parallels on the Mac which is the opposite of what you said. I'd still have to bring a laptop out to do the updates but I guess that wouldn't be all that often.

Now I guess all I need to do is find a few square feet of floor space in my shop (easier said than done).

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #208 on: July 31, 2019, 03:30 PM »
Well quite surprisingly, my chuck issue didn’t improve.
I was asked to pack the chuck well before returning it. I did just that including a 6mmply box I made up for shipping.

The supplier tells me Rohm have still not got back to him with any kind of report but, did view the videos I sent which clearly showed the issue as being the chuck.
So I have now asked for a refund, which the supplier has agreed too. He has been fine to deal with apart from a language barrier. Rohm however, I’m disappointed with.
I have bought many of their products, mainly chucks and arbors, and thought they were a bit better than how they’ve acted on this.

The good news is, I will now buy an Albrecht. Not sure whether to marry it up with the new Rohm arbor, or buy an Albrecht and have done with it?

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #209 on: July 31, 2019, 03:57 PM »
The good news is, I will now buy an Albrecht. Not sure whether to marry it up with the new Rohm arbor, or buy an Albrecht and have done with it?

That's too bad Jiggy  [sad]  [sad]

I've married mine up with both Albrecht and Jacobs arbors...both work well.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #210 on: August 01, 2019, 02:26 AM »
Thanks Cheese, I will give it a try with the Rohm arbor, and I can always buy an Albrecht later I guess.

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Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #211 on: August 01, 2019, 05:03 AM »
I’d probably stick the dial indicator on the Rohm, just to make sure I wasn’t seeing any measurable runout there. If so, then I’d go with the Albrecht arbor.

In for a penny, in for a pound, at this point.
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Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #212 on: August 01, 2019, 07:39 AM »
@neilc Historically, the way I've used my drill press has not really required a table, and additionally, because of it's position in my shop -- right next to the bench -- I have to rotate the table or even the entire machine out of the way when, say, working on longer pieces on the bench, or using the frame saw to resaw things in the leg vise (which is also why I need to keep it on a mobile base).



So I've always thought that setting up a more permanent DP table would create too much of an obstruction, as would the kind of fixed storage between the base of the column and the bottom of the table that some in this thread have done on their Nova.  I dunno -- I'll pay attention as I use the Nova more to whether my needs shift such that a table might make sense.

@Cheese You have certainly demonstrated in other places on the FOG the possibilities for routing aluminum, so yeah, I was actually thinking about remaking the insert.  Question if I may -- I assume McMaster Carr is also the place to get the aluminum stock, but I'm unsure which of the specific options are appropriate.  The opening for the 3 1/4 diameter insert is exactly 1/8" deep, so I assume I would start with 1/8" aluminum sheet stock, but not sure which other parameters to choose from the various options offered by McMaster: https://www.mcmaster.com/standard-aluminum-sheets

I would probably cut it directly with the Shaper Origin (you can work on small pieces by setting up a tape board that borders the workpiece), or, if this for some reason doesn't work, make a template that I then flush trimmed on the router. 

Thanks,

ed



Edward

Do you not think you’ll make a full table with replaceable insert?  I took the metal insert out of my table and just use the laminated top.  I too found the metal insert was not seating the way it should.

Enjoy the DP.  And check for software updates.  As I said earlier you need a windows machine with a USB cable to update it.  It will run under parallels on a Mac as an emulator for windows.  But no native Mac updater is available.
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Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #213 on: August 01, 2019, 09:40 AM »
Thanks for the photo and clarification. 

I buy metals from onlinemetals.com but McMaster is certainly a choice.

I'd use an O Flute bit.  This thread on Shaper community might be of interest to you.  I think you have to be a member to view which I know you are.

https://community.shapertools.com/t/single-pass-1-8-aluminum-cuts/2811

You might start with a larger piece with countersunk screws in the four corners outside the circle so the origin could clear it.  Route out a 1/8" indentation to capture the piece.  Screw in place, tape and cut.

You will want to use cutting wax for lubricant.  Amazon carries it in small quantities.

Good luck!


Offline sprior

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #214 on: August 01, 2019, 11:27 AM »
@neilc

I would probably cut it directly with the Shaper Origin (you can work on small pieces by setting up a tape board that borders the workpiece), or, if this for some reason doesn't work, make a template that I then flush trimmed on the router. 

Thanks,

ed


There's a trick for material hold down I've learned as a CNC user that you might try for this, it sounds hokey but it's very popular and works.  You stick blue painters tape to the bottom of the aluminum and also to whatever you want to temporarily mount it to.  Then you use super glue to glue the backs of the two tapes together.  It actually holds better than regular double sided tape and doesn't release due to heat generated from the cut and doesn't gum up the bit as much.  And you probably already have the stuff to try it.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #215 on: August 01, 2019, 11:57 AM »
@Cheese You have certainly demonstrated in other places on the FOG the possibilities for routing aluminum, so yeah, I was actually thinking about remaking the insert.  Question if I may -- I assume McMaster Carr is also the place to get the aluminum stock, but I'm unsure which of the specific options are appropriate.  The opening for the 3 1/4 diameter insert is exactly 1/8" deep, so I assume I would start with 1/8" aluminum sheet stock, but not sure which other parameters to choose from the various options offered by McMaster: https://www.mcmaster.com/standard-aluminum-sheets

I would probably cut it directly with the Shaper Origin (you can work on small pieces by setting up a tape board that borders the workpiece), or, if this for some reason doesn't work, make a template that I then flush trimmed on the router. 


Hey Edward that first MC offering of 6061 sheet will work fine. Note to self, 5052 will also work well for any future projects.

The easiest method would be to cut it out using 2 hole saws. Whatever you want for the inside diameter and then a 3 3/8" one for the OD. On Milwaukee hole saws the wall thickness + tooth offset is right around .060" so a 3 3/8' hole saw should yield a 3 1/4" aluminum slug.

I just remembered, you also have a lathe so any final "fitting" could be done on the lathe using a "lathe file" and chucking up the aluminum disc by its inside diameter.

https://www.mcmaster.com/lathe-files

Lathe files are a must when used on a lathe. They don't load up, they remove material fast and leave a nice smooth surface.

I'd make 3-4 blanks so if you need something with a different ID on another project, you just need to drill the ID. I'd also drill either a 1/8" diameter or 1/4" diameter hole (that's the diameter of the hole saw pilot drill) in the center of each blank to allow for easy indexing at a later date on the drill press.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #216 on: August 01, 2019, 01:03 PM »
Forgot you have a Shaper. One of the first articles I read on using a Shaper for anything was a guy making flat aluminum plugs to fit a machine. Worked fantastically.

On the other hand, I (without a Shaper) wouldn’t bother trying to get a better fit on a plug that wouldn’t get used for anything. I think that poor fitting plug is just there to keep the chuck from falling through the hole and bouncing off the floor when you dislodge it from the arbor  [huh]

If I want to drill through wood I don’t want to drill into a metal disk. If I want to drill through metal I want to hold the piece in a vise.

I’d make a compact wood drilling table (with basic X/Y adjustment/clamping features) that is a snug fit over the steel table. You have a lot of options for supporting long stuff.

Offline ear3

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #217 on: August 01, 2019, 03:05 PM »
Thanks for the tips everyone.  I am soooo appreciating drilling at high speeds again on the Drill Press.  I was pretty lazy and didn't switch the belt positioning all that much on the old model, and so operated at a default slow speed to handle forstner bits. 
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #218 on: August 01, 2019, 03:29 PM »
I’d probably stick the dial indicator on the Rohm, just to make sure I wasn’t seeing any measurable runout there. If so, then I’d go with the Albrecht arbor.

In for a penny, in for a pound, at this point.

Yes the Rohm arbor seems fine.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #219 on: August 01, 2019, 03:37 PM »
Thanks for the tips everyone.  I am soooo appreciating drilling at high speeds again on the Drill Press.  I was pretty lazy and didn't switch the belt positioning all that much on the old model, and so operated at a default slow speed to handle forstner bits.

Edward, I made a table for mine, as I really did need one. I also made a mobile base, which is safe and sound, and for added safety, I made up some 18 mm ply wall clamps, that clamp around the pillar.
When the wheels are locked and clamp tight, it really is solid.

I also added a Wixey laser, this has been a great addition, not only for quick line up but, also quick alignment of the table.
Once I’d lined my table up, I marked two reference points at the rear of the table. So whenever I move the table sideways, it takes seconds to return to dead centre.


Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #220 on: August 01, 2019, 04:34 PM »
@Jiggy Joiner Question about the Laser you installed. When you move the table up/down do you have to calibrate the laser again?
Mario

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #221 on: August 01, 2019, 04:48 PM »
Hi Mario, No it’s all good, it was a concern of mine when considering one but, it’s fine.
I mounted mine quite tight to the underside of the head of the machine so it’s always out of the way, and higher than anything mounted to the machine.

I’ll get some photos up over the weekend. A nice addition in my opinion. [wink]

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #222 on: August 01, 2019, 05:28 PM »
I also added a Wixey laser, this has been a great addition, not only for quick line up but, also quick alignment of the table.
Once I’d lined my table up, I marked two reference points at the rear of the table. So whenever I move the table sideways, it takes seconds to return to dead centre.

Like this @Jiggy Joiner ...?






The Wixey is a nice addition. I had a different laser originally and it literally fell apart after about 9 months.  [mad]  Worse yet, if you changed the height of the table by more than 6-8" the centering would be off...Good Riddance. The Wixey works well.  [big grin]

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #223 on: August 01, 2019, 05:44 PM »
@Cheese is there any way to mount the laser on the head instead of the column? My head can rotate on the column and I assume that would throw off the laser. Correct?

Thanks

Ron

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #224 on: August 01, 2019, 08:44 PM »
@Cheese is there any way to mount the laser on the head instead of the column? My head can rotate on the column and I assume that would throw off the laser. Correct?

Hey Ron, @rvieceli the drill press head is usually secured to the drill press column through the use of cup point set screws. You really want the table to rotate and not the head.

Yes, the laser could be mounted directly to the head, but I'm not sure what benefit that would be. The Wixey laser has a very robust method of mounting the laser to the column...me likeeee.

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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #225 on: August 01, 2019, 09:21 PM »
@Cheese glad you said usually in that sentence.  [wink]

Cause mine is an industrial bench press where the column is bolted to a t slotted cast base with a coolant trough around the edge that weighs about 250 to 275 pounds. The column passes through the head and the head goes up and down the column

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That’s a pic when I first got it before it was cleaned up and I put the Mic6 table and fence on it.

Ron
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #226 on: August 01, 2019, 10:29 PM »
That's a keeper Ron  [thumbs up] I'm not familiar with that drill press, who makes it?  It's pretty impressive in that it's only 36" tall, and it weighs 250#. The coolant "production" table makes all the difference.

The other thing I like about production tables are the "T" slots that are machined into them to retain T-bolts that secure clamps and fixtures. Clamping down items with a 3/8" bolt is a lot more satisfying and reassuring than clamping down with a 1/4" bolt through a funky aluminum channel. Convenient it is...secure it is not.

I really think that there's a market here to configure a drill press table that will accommodate the metal working and wood working needs. The two venues are not that far separated from each other, they just lack a common language.  [smile]

To put things into perspective, my 20" Delta is over 72" tall and weighs 400#.  A 20" Clausing (a real drill press) on the other hand weighs over 1500#.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #227 on: August 01, 2019, 10:54 PM »
It is an Electro- Mechano 601J made in Milwaukee WI. Mine is from about 1963. It's a 16 inch press.

Gear driven on the low end and direct drive on the high end. 150 rpm to 1000 rpm gear driven, on the high side direct drive it's 400 to 4000 rpm continuously variable over both ranges. It's got a Reeves drive that's controlled by that handle at the top.

Company is still in business, they just don't make this model any more. I really like it. They don't come up for sale very often. E-M also made a 20 inch model as well. takes an MT2 taper and I've got an Albrecht on it now.

Ron

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #228 on: August 02, 2019, 02:30 AM »
I also added a Wixey laser, this has been a great addition, not only for quick line up but, also quick alignment of the table.
Once I’d lined my table up, I marked two reference points at the rear of the table. So whenever I move the table sideways, it takes seconds to return to dead centre.

Like this @Jiggy Joiner ...?

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The Wixey is a nice addition. I had a different laser originally and it literally fell apart after about 9 months.  [mad]  Worse yet, if you changed the height of the table by more than 6-8" the centering would be off...Good Riddance. The Wixey works well.  [big grin]

Exactly like that Cheese, great aren’t they?
The lines could be a little finer but, I’m not complaining and am very happy with it.  [thumbs up]

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #229 on: August 02, 2019, 11:39 AM »
When setting up my Wixey lasers maybe I didn’t have time or patience to get them perfect but my work height range was about 16” and the laser’s X wasn’t the same from top of range to bottom.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #230 on: August 02, 2019, 12:48 PM »
When setting up my Wixey lasers maybe I didn’t have time or patience to get them perfect but my work height range was about 16” and the laser’s X wasn’t the same from top of range to bottom.

@Michael Kellough   Micheal, do you mean in reference with the table? The table is not a good reference, cause it will shift left or right when raising/lowering it. The quill can also affect accuracy as it may not be parallel with the column. Also some columns are taper and again can also affect accuracy.
Mario

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #231 on: August 02, 2019, 02:11 PM »
My mobile base, it now has braces screwed down to further secure the machine. So I might build a cabinet to sit on the braces.





I made one side removable, to help get the machine mounted, and also easier removal. I stole the idea, I’m pretty sure from Sir Peter Parfitt  [not worthy]



My table:
It’s worked out quite nice, I didn’t wrap it around the pillar, as It’s plenty big enough already, and it makes getting to the lock bolt, and hand wheel easier:





The hand wheel:



Handle folded:



It’s only cheap alloy, I will get a steel version soon.

Dust extraction port was made of mainly 6mm ply, and some plumbing fittings, it works very well:





Chuck guard, I couldn’t get on with it, and have since removed it.



This is the cable that goes to the guard sensor:



The Wixey laser:





Laser lines, to line up the table quickly:



Ply wall clamp, just under the laser body, this really holds the machine solid and safe, on the mobile base. Also somewhere for the chuck key, until the Albrecht turns up.



The underside of the new table, has hardwood guide keys glued and screwed for easy line up, and stability:



A couple of toggle clamps firm everything up, it really is a solid set up.
I just need my new chuck now to complete it.



JJ












« Last Edit: August 02, 2019, 04:28 PM by Jiggy Joiner »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #232 on: August 02, 2019, 02:50 PM »
Looks good Jiggy

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #233 on: August 02, 2019, 04:21 PM »

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #234 on: August 02, 2019, 05:51 PM »
Very nice @Jiggy Joiner. From the pictures I can tell you didn't use the extra plate on the laser right?

I'm almost done with the Kapex butterfly and next project is the DP table :)

Side note: You have to update your avatar.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: August 02, 2019, 06:07 PM by Mario Turcot »
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #235 on: August 03, 2019, 05:24 AM »
Very nice @Jiggy Joiner. From the pictures I can tell you didn't use the extra plate on the laser right?

I'm almost done with the Kapex butterfly and next project is the DP table :)

Side note: You have to update your avatar.  [big grin]

Thank you Mario, yes absolutely right, the extra plate wasn’t needed, it’s a very robust mounting system too.

You’re also right about the avatar too, I need an update, there’s new arrivals coming soon, so I’ll have options  [big grin]  [wink]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #236 on: August 03, 2019, 08:23 AM »
Nice base...nice table Jiggy.  [smile]  Some storage would be nice on the base.

The blue tooth setup is convenient, I like that.

The chuck guard however, is the solution to a problem that never existed.  [crying]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #237 on: August 03, 2019, 09:23 AM »
@Mario Turcot  I want intersection of the lasers to indicate the center axis of any bit I might put in the chuck regardless of where the table is (laterally). The benefit is drilling one off holes in big loose parts that aren’t suitable for a table with fences etc.

Once adjusted it works well, depending on your ability to interpolate which part of the fuzzy red lines is most indicative. Tip, it helps to put matte black tape over the target.

I did get it to work well at one table altitude but when I had to lower the table a foot the lasers were off and I could use fixtures for that operation so didn’t readjust.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #238 on: August 03, 2019, 11:08 AM »
@Mario Turcot  I want intersection of the lasers to indicate the center axis of any bit I might put in the chuck regardless of where the table is (laterally). The benefit is drilling one off holes in big loose parts that aren’t suitable for a table with fences etc.

Once adjusted it works well, depending on your ability to interpolate which part of the fuzzy red lines is most indicative. Tip, it helps to put matte black tape over the target.

I did get it to work well at one table altitude but when I had to lower the table a foot the lasers were off and I could use fixtures for that operation so didn’t readjust.

Thank you for the explanation Micheal. I see what you mean and was wondering about having to readjust the laser over and over. It was on rebate at BusyBeeTools and I drove there yesterday afternoon. That thing is solid and take 2.5 minutes to install and 1 minute to adjust :)

To me a laser is handy when you have to make a few holes. When it comes to production mode you better with a fence/jig setup for fast work.
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #239 on: August 03, 2019, 12:41 PM »
Nice base...nice table Jiggy.  [smile]  Some storage would be nice on the base.

The blue tooth setup is convenient, I like that.

The chuck guard however, is the solution to a problem that never existed.  [crying]

Thanks Cheese, yes, I think I’ll have to add storage to the base, as my drill bits and other drilling accessories are not to hand at the moment, and It’s frustrating already.
I also agree about the guard, I think it lasted all of five minutes!

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #240 on: August 03, 2019, 04:32 PM »
Brilliant job @Jiggy Joiner .  Can you provide some additional info on the hand wheel crank?  That looks like a great solution.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #241 on: August 03, 2019, 05:29 PM »
Thanks Edward, the wheel is aluminium, 120mm diameter (4-1/2”) It came with a 12mm centre hole, so I drilled it out to 14mm, then drilled the side of the boss, and tapped an M6 thread to take the original lock screw and nut from the crank handle.

It works well, the table needs a little lift with my other hand whilst cranking, for elevating. That could be from the extra weight of the additional table though? Lowering is easy, just the one hand.

I would like to source a steel wheel, and I think up to 5” diameter would be ok, depending on the table design.
The thing with a 4” to 4-1/2” wheel though, would allow for a deeper table to wrap around the pillar more.

I worked out how big I needed my table to be before starting, and it’s so far been more than big enough.

I was going to use the table from my old press but, it needed a fair bit of modifying, so I decided to just start from scratch but, glad I did now.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #242 on: August 04, 2019, 08:38 AM »
Lol, I also started to type a question about how you got you managed to modify your DP with such a monster 12" quill travel -- and then I realized where you were writing from.

Thanks Edward, the wheel is aluminium, 120mm diameter (4-1/2”) It came with a 12mm centre hole, so I drilled it out to 14mm, then drilled the side of the boss, and tapped an M6 thread to take the original lock screw and nut from the crank handle.

It works well, the table needs a little lift with my other hand whilst cranking, for elevating. That could be from the extra weight of the additional table though? Lowering is easy, just the one hand.

I would like to source a steel wheel, and I think up to 5” diameter would be ok, depending on the table design.
The thing with a 4” to 4-1/2” wheel though, would allow for a deeper table to wrap around the pillar more.

I worked out how big I needed my table to be before starting, and it’s so far been more than big enough.

I was going to use the table from my old press but, it needed a fair bit of modifying, so I decided to just start from scratch but, glad I did now.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #243 on: August 04, 2019, 10:15 AM »

I would like to source a steel wheel, and I think up to 5” diameter would be ok, depending on the table design.
The thing with a 4” to 4-1/2” wheel though, would allow for a deeper table to wrap around the pillar more.


Jiggy...FWIW...when it comes to tooling components such as drill bushings, spring plungers or hand wheels these are my go-to people.

Jergens:
http://www.jergensinc.com/Handwheels-Handles-x20-And-x20-Knobs

Carr-Lane:
https://www.carrlane.com/en-us/product/handles-knobs-screw-clamps/hand-wheels

Winco:
https://www.jwwinco.com/en-us/products/1.3-Adjusting-with-handwheels-and-cranks

Kipp:
https://www.kipp.com/gb/en/Products/Operating-parts-standard-elements/Handwheels-crank-handles-position-indicators.html

McMaster:
https://www.mcmaster.com/hand-wheels

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #244 on: August 04, 2019, 01:12 PM »
@ear3  lol Edward, imagine having that kind of quill travel!  [blink] [big grin]

@Cheese Thank you very much Cheese, I was struggling to find a decent one, I rang an engineering company who had one but, wouldn’t post, they were 150 miles away. The one I bought was clearance stock at an Axminster branch, so I’ll study those links.
Many thanks.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #245 on: August 04, 2019, 01:56 PM »
That kind of quill travel...



Between the on axis movement of both the table and quill support you can drill a hole about 3 feet deep. Now in storage in Jersey City.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #246 on: August 04, 2019, 02:29 PM »
Wow! What’s the runout like on that machine Michael?

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #247 on: August 04, 2019, 03:48 PM »
Wow! What’s the runout like on that machine Michael?

Never measured, but could probably check it with a grade school ruler.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #248 on: August 04, 2019, 04:26 PM »
Yeah, I love the old presses, we still have an old Fobco that runs well, I think it’s older than me?
They knew how to build them in those days.  [thumbs up]

Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #249 on: August 05, 2019, 08:05 AM »
All I know about the Voyager is that I absolutely love mine!