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Offline Mario Turcot

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JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« on: May 15, 2019, 02:16 PM »
Did a search and found nothing.

Just received a newsletter from Jessem about their Table Saw Miter Gauge and was wondering if anyone have experience with it. This is the second generation of the tool.

The tool seems to be a beast info

I have the Incra® Miter 1000SE Gauge and hate it. Flip stop is poorly made and the extension arm is flimsy & require a tool to move it.
Mario

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Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 02:41 PM »
I am interested in this new mitre gauge as I have been very impressed with the performance of its table saw stock guides on my SawStop.

My search dug out these:

https://www.amazon.ca/JessEm-07100-Mite-R-Excel-Precision-Indexing/dp/B000W3K1HW#customerReviews

https://www.woodmagazine.com/review/saws/tablesaw-accessories/miter-gauges-sleds/jessem-mite-r-slide-miter-gauge-accessory

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 02:46 PM »
@ChuckM yes the version one had very good reviews. They made some significant changes to version two. It seems to be lighter and made exclusively of alum. The extension arm & flip stop are locked with a simple 1/4 turn lever and the angle unit look to be very easy to operate.

All those characteristics are enhancement to my actual incra.
Mario

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 05:17 PM »
I have the old model and I really like it. It is heavy.  I use a big Woodpeckers framing square to check the gauge before a big project and have never seen the gauge out of perfect square. The pull out extension is solid even fully extended. The flip down stop  is also solid. I don’t have any side to side play.

Other than being heavy, I have no negatives to mention about the miter gauge.

I’m not sure how the new model is improved over the original.

Birdhunter

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2019, 06:50 PM »
I have the old model and I really like it. It is heavy.  I use a big Woodpeckers framing square to check the gauge before a big project and have never seen the gauge out of perfect square. The pull out extension is solid even fully extended. The flip down stop  is also solid. I don’t have any side to side play.

Other than being heavy, I have no negatives to mention about the miter gauge.

I’m not sure how the new model is improved over the original.

Hey @Birdhunter, Thanks for your comment. I knew already that the original was solid rock but it's always good to hear it on the FOG :)

Since you have the original you the one that should tell us the improvement  [tongue] Have you watched the video?

I can only compare with the incra;

Miter slot bar custom rolled steel from Sheffield, England
Flip stop adjustable to accommodate 3/4" sacrificial fence
Retractable stop at the end of the extension arm
Angle mechanism have no loose part
to name only those.
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2019, 07:15 PM »
If JessEm's past products are a guide, this new mitre gauge should be a keeper. I was looking at the Incra  Incra® Miter 1000SE Gauge 86N60.01, but did not pull the trigger. The JessEm's is similar to Incra 3000SE in price.

This feature "Easy indexing allows for adjustments at 0, 15, 22.5, 30 and 45 degrees" would meet all my foreseable needs. For all other angles, I have the Kapex.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 07:18 PM by ChuckM »

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 08:32 PM »
Yeah so 95% chance I get that instead of incra 1000hd. Good thing I hadn't pulled the trigger on that yet.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 08:42 PM »
Before Mario shared the product release news, did anyone know about this new mitre gauge being developed at all?

Some vendors (e.g. TSO) are good at letting people know what products they are developing, and such information can help their potential customers put on hold their purchase decisions.


Offline Bob D.

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 09:12 PM »
Before Mario shared the product release news, did anyone know about this new mitre gauge being developed at all?

Some vendors (e.g. TSO) are good at letting people know what products they are developing, and such information can help their potential customers put on hold their purchase decisions.

I agree that is it nice to have some knowledge of what is coming down the pipeline. I am not in the market for another miter gauge at this time but I have made a purchase after doing research to find out what was available or soon to be released only to be blindsided by a product that appears out of the blue.

But on the flip side looking at it from their perspective when you've put time and money into developing a product, even a 2G item as this miter gauge is, there is still considerable expense that they are looking to recover. Letting the cat out of the bag before you're ready to release can be risky if there is enough time for someone to bring out a copy sooner and steal your thunder thereby hurting your initial surge of orders.

In today's world with all the tools that are available to reverse engineer or copy something I think it's probably tough (and sometimes a big risk) to know when to make an announcement and when to keep quiet. Even though that may cost you some sales.
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 09:12 PM »
I watched the video and the new miter gauge does have some nice features my original lacks.

The flip up stop that accommodates a sacrificial fence would be great to have. Would the new stop fit onto my old unit?
Birdhunter

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 09:36 PM »
Snip. Letting the cat out of the bag before you're ready to release can be risky if there is enough time

Yes, a vendor needs to exercise care as to what and how much information is to be made public regarding any new product development.

It is not an easy call for a vendor to or not to release new product development information. I recall years ago L-N working on a Combination Plane and even showing a prototype but it has not, as of today, been able to actually launch the new plane. That is disappointing for many of its customers.


Offline RKA

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2019, 09:57 PM »
Before Mario shared the product release news, did anyone know about this new mitre gauge being developed at all?

Some vendors (e.g. TSO) are good at letting people know what products they are developing, and such information can help their potential customers put on hold their purchase decisions.

I got the email below this morning.

*edit* Sorry, I misunderstood you were asking.  That email was the very first whiff of it that I saw.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 10:01 PM by RKA »
-Raj

Offline Mark Katz

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 10:43 PM »
Question for all of you using the earlier version of this miter gauge or one of the Incra gauges. It seems that for all of these that the fence extrusion needs to be moved back whenever the angle is set to anything but o degrees to avoid cutting into the fence itself. To me, that means that a) the reading of the stop scale is meaningless when set at any angle other than 0, and b) the fence and stop scale need to be recalibrated once you return to 0.

Is my understanding correct? This seems like a considerable detriment to any of these similar miter gauges. The manual (online under the Manual tab on the web page) make no mention of moving the fence when making angled cuts.

For reference I've been using a Jointech Smart Miter for at least 15 years now. It has its problems (the flip stop is no longer robust and flexes too much, it's heavy and bulky, for example) but one of its design features is that the pivot point is close to the blade path and the extrusion is cut back so it doesn't need to moved when angled. The scale is off a bit while cutting angles but it returns to correct once you go back to 0 degrees, without recalibration.

I'd like to hear from anyone using an Incra 1000 SE or HD or the older version of this product about their experience with this issue (if it is one).

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 12:16 AM »
@Mark Katz
Question for all of you using the earlier version of this miter gauge or one of the Incra gauges. It seems that for all of these that the fence extrusion needs to be moved back whenever the angle is set to anything but o degrees to avoid cutting into the fence itself. To me, that means that a) the reading of the stop scale is meaningless when set at any angle other than 0, and b) the fence and stop scale need to be recalibrated once you return to 0.

Is my understanding correct? This seems like a considerable detriment to any of these similar miter gauges. The manual (online under the Manual tab on the web page) make no mention of moving the fence when making angled cuts.

For reference I've been using a Jointech Smart Miter for at least 15 years now. It has its problems (the flip stop is no longer robust and flexes too much, it's heavy and bulky, for example) but one of its design features is that the pivot point is close to the blade path and the extrusion is cut back so it doesn't need to moved when angled. The scale is off a bit while cutting angles but it returns to correct once you go back to 0 degrees, without recalibration.

I'd like to hear from anyone using an Incra 1000 SE or HD or the older version of this product about their experience with this issue (if it is one).

Mark, yes you have to move back the fence when moving from 0deg. However if you use a sacrificial fence you can do without moving it by extending the sub fence a bit longer 2" should do it and you should not have much flex. Regarding the scale for flip stop ref, I would never use the scale. In fact on my incra I dont and quite honestly I don't know why there is one. IMHO having a micro adjustment on the flip stop defeat the purpose of a scale.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 12:25 AM by Mario Turcot »
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2019, 12:30 AM »
Here a picture of my Incra Miter Gauge model 1000SE

My Incra iBox

Not used yet  [embarassed] but I like how it slide compare to the Miter Gauge. The Miter Gauge have more friction. Alum on iron cast, should I try waxing it?
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2019, 12:36 AM »
@Birdhunter
I watched the video and the new miter gauge does have some nice features my original lacks.

The flip up stop that accommodates a sacrificial fence would be great to have. Would the new stop fit onto my old unit?

I will call them tomorrow and let you know. I am also wondering if I can get a second flip stop since I didn't found any reference on their site for an extra flip stop. I have a few torsion boxes to make using cross half lap joint and it would be really handy.
Mario

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2019, 01:23 AM »
I use my original JessEm gauge on a SawStop Industrial Model. Any slightest contact between saw blade and anything conductive will trigger the safety cartridge to activate. You avoid body dismemberment but lose both saw blade ($150) and cartridge ($100). So being careful about clearance is critical.

I never use the supplied scale. I’ll usually use a ruler to get approximate setup, but fine tune with trial pieces. To me a “go by” is worth a hundred scales.

Setting an angle on the miter guard requires verifying cleasances.
Birdhunter

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2019, 01:28 AM »
I use my original JessEm gauge on a SawStop Industrial Model. Any slightest contact between saw blade and anything conductive will trigger the safety cartridge to activate. You avoid body dismemberment but lose both saw blade ($150) and cartridge ($100). So being careful about clearance is critical.

I never use the supplied scale. I’ll usually use a ruler to get approximate setup, but fine tune with trial pieces. To me a “go by” is worth a hundred scales.

Setting an angle on the miter guard requires verifying cleasances.

I believe you can overpass the saw stop safety. I don't know if it's a easy thing and how many steps it requires tho.
Mario

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2019, 05:19 AM »
It’s easier to just adjust a miter gauge or whatever to be out of contact with the blade guard and, certainly, the blade. On the old miter gauge that I have, I loosen two handles, adjust, and relighted the two handles.

I just don’t want to disable the saw’s safety feature.
Birdhunter

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2019, 06:46 PM »
Well, well, well!

I called JESSEM "Help Desk" at 9:15 AM and asked the two following questions:

Do the new Miter Gauge Flip Stop is available for sale separately?
Does it fit onto the original Miter Gauge?

"Help Desk" replied that she is going to get the answers and call me back in 30-45mins. At 11:20 AM I called back for my inquiry and again the "Help Desk" replied, I will get the answers and call you back in 10mins. It is 6:43 PM and no call yet!

I was that close to pull the trigger on the Miter Gauge  [mad]
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2019, 07:37 PM »
I was that close to pull the trigger on the Miter Gauge  [mad]
And JessEm was that close to have a deal closed!

Many people these days give their word, but don't follow through even when their reputation is on the line. At the very least, the lady should've called you back and given you another time that she would call again. But you know what? She could possibly too look forward to her Victoria Day long weekend!

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2019, 07:50 PM »
And JessEm was that close to have a deal closed!

Many people these days give their word, but don't follow through even when their reputation is on the line. At the very least, the lady should've called you back and given you another time that she would call again. But you know what? She could possibly too look forward to her Victoria Day long weekend!

True, I know myself use to take that Friday off as well. I give the benefit of the doubt and will call back on Tuesday.

Note: What's weird is there is no email contact on their sites  [eek] cause I would have send an email hoping to get someone else involved.
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2019, 12:57 AM »
To contact them by email, click on Customer Service then Contact Us. Wait for a few seconds for a Contact Us box to pop up on the lower right corner. Click on the Contact Us box for a dialog window to enter your inquiry/message.

Please share what you found out.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2019, 06:36 PM »
To contact them by email, click on Customer Service then Contact Us. Wait for a few seconds for a Contact Us box to pop up on the lower right corner. Click on the Contact Us box for a dialog window to enter your inquiry/message.

Please share what you found out.

Thank you Chuck, I never saw that feature  [embarassed]
Mario

Offline montyss

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2019, 10:16 AM »
There products are very good but the customer service needs some help . I called at the beginning of Dec 2018 to see by chance if there where any side tables for sale for my Mast R Slide on my table saw , the person was going to check it out and said to give it a couple days and call back . I did and they did have one which was un anodized and that was fine . Paid for it with my charge card and it would be shipped out in a couple days , this was about Dec 14 /18 . Fast forward into  Jan /2019 after several phone calls going no where with the person on the desk and the person I originally was speaking to I told the person that answered the phone what had been going on that I would be getting a hold of my charge card company to get a refund if my purchase didn't ship promptly that it had been almost a month and a half plenty long enough to get it to me . I did receive a tracking number and my package (Jan 24 2019) right after that but have reservations dealing with them again even though they have some really good products . 

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2019, 10:23 AM »
I just tried to buy the mitre gauge......but their web store didn't work for me. I wonder if Incra or another vendor that carries their products will get them? Or I'll have to call and order.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2019, 12:24 PM »
There products are very good but the customer service needs some help .

That's why whenever possible, I prefer to deal with an established, reputed merchant even if I have to pay a little more for the same product instead of direct with a small vendor/manufacturer. When things go wrong (Murphy's Law), I know I am dealing with a trusted partner on the other end. That's especially true when we are talking about bigger machines, and pricey tools and accessories. There is no way I would get them from a big box store either even if they carry them (usually they don't), as they don't give you the personal attention you want, or have sufficient knowledge of what they are selling.

I do woodworking for fun, and I don't need or want any stress or frustration over a purchase transaction to spoil my day.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2019, 12:27 PM by ChuckM »


Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2019, 09:28 PM »
Since that particular item is a new tool it will not be available to retailers until a few months. Currently this is on pre-order @ $337.99 CAD instead of $374.99 CAD

They should be shipped May 31 and hopefully in 2019. I believe they are already in production and will produce +/- base on the number of pre-order. I assume that retailers should get the item a few weeks after the pre-order has been fulfilled.

I sent a mail on Saturday and will see how long it take for them to reply  [wink]
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2019, 10:28 AM »
Since that particular item is a new tool it will not be available to retailers until a few months. Currently this is on pre-order @ $337.99 CAD instead of $374.99 CAD

They should be shipped May 31 and hopefully in 2019. I believe they are already in production and will produce +/- base on the number of pre-order. I assume that retailers should get the item a few weeks after the pre-order has been fulfilled.

I sent a mail on Saturday and will see how long it take for them to reply  [wink]

I week later and no reply, you lost my business Jessem. I was also planning to buy their router table kit, but with zero support, No matter how good is the product, it's a no go for me.
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2019, 10:50 AM »
I recently dealt with an American vendor (ToolsToday) for the first time and their response time by email was 24 hrs to 72 hrs.

Lee Valley Tools's has always been within 24 hrs unless the next day is a Sunday or holiday.

JessEm does not seem to know what an acknowledgement email can do even if they don't have the answers to your questions immediately.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2019, 11:01 AM by ChuckM »

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2019, 11:57 AM »
I get all my blades and most router bits from Toolstoday. They carry the whole Amana Tools line and their shipping price is fair. They also offer pre-paid tax & duties , so no surprises.

Regarding Jessem, when you have a contact us feature, you have to respond within a reasonable time frame.
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2019, 04:23 PM »
Update:

Today I decided to reply from Jessem new letter email directly. Perhaps it will fall in the hands of a different person?

Well, yes. I received a reply 10 minutes later  [eek] and replied to it with the same questions I had previously  [popcorn]
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2019, 09:57 PM »
Jessem MITE-R-EXCEL II



Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2019, 10:56 PM »
@Birdhunter
I watched the video and the new miter gauge does have some nice features my original lacks.

The flip up stop that accommodates a sacrificial fence would be great to have. Would the new stop fit onto my old unit?

Unfortunatly the new flip stop is not compatible with the original miter gauge.
Mario

Offline gary_va

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2019, 07:14 PM »
The new Mite-R-Excel II alongside an Incra 1000SE.

User experience is no comparison, the JessEm is smooth, creamy, and appropriately engineered, whereas the Incra is edgy, overbaked, and chock full of fiddly bits.

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Unfortunately I have to echo the comments on their customer service, they remain too busy making nice tools to answer email and the phone.


Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2019, 07:20 PM »
@gary_va  [welcome] to the FOG comment section  [big grin]

Gary, I hate you hate hate hate. Did I said I hate you  [tongue] Hurry up and put a sub fence on that beauty.

Q: You have 3 buttons that holds the fence to move it left/right. What is the middle button for?

I should get mine in a few days, hopefully  [big grin]

One thing I really hate with the Incra is the flip stop. Very cringy to use  [mad]
« Last Edit: June 08, 2019, 07:27 PM by Mario Turcot »
Mario

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2019, 10:37 PM »
Ordered mine...waiting for delivery (to replace the stock mitre gauge on the SawStop). Was about to pull the trigger on the Incra, but someone posted about the new Mite-R... "Hate" the guy who shared the news. [tongue] [big grin]

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2019, 10:39 PM »
Ordered mine...waiting for delivery (to replace the stock mitre gauge on the SawStop). Was about to pull the trigger on the Incra, but someone posted about the new Mite-R... "Hate" the guy who shared the news. [tongue] [big grin]

He must be a very mean soul  [eek]
Mario

Offline gary_va

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2019, 11:15 PM »
Q: You have 3 buttons that holds the fence to move it left/right. What is the middle button for?

The middle knob is an "Index Pin" which reliably guides you back to a calibrated location after you've slid the fence away from the blade for a miter cut. It's slick, and works well. The calibration procedure is a bit confusing but it'll make more sense once you see how the pin works.

A sub-fence is in queue for tomorrow's shop-time; I've been eyeing a lonely scrap of hard maple that's been itching to become something useful.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2019, 11:39 PM »
The middle knob is an "Index Pin" which reliably guides you back to a calibrated location after you've slid the fence away from the blade for a miter cut. It's slick, and works well. The calibration procedure is a bit confusing but it'll make more sense once you see how the pin works.

A sub-fence is in queue for tomorrow's shop-time; I've been eyeing a lonely scrap of hard maple that's been itching to become something useful.

Thank you  [thumbs up]
Mario

Offline Bob D.

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2019, 05:45 AM »
Biggest difference I see is the Incra has positive settings at common angles assuring a return to the same angle after changing to a different angle.

I don't care for the flip stop on my Incra either, I find it difficult to use. In place of the Incra setup I would rather have two (or more) independent flip stops.
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Offline gary_va

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2019, 08:44 AM »
...Incra has positive settings at common angles...

Instead of notches, JessEm uses a pin. I've tweaked the contrast on the closeup photo to make this easier to see.

A = spring loaded angle pin, pull to unlock then rotate 90° to lock in the extracted position for free-rotation of main assembly
B = holes for the angle pin to seat
C = scale diamonds indicate lock angles @ 0,15,30,45°

It's too graphically crowded for a diamond at 22.5° but as you can see there is an index point.

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Offline Cheese

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2019, 11:28 AM »
I may be a little late to this party but that Jessem gauge looks outstanding. I have the Incra on my band saw and it works well, but finish wise, that Jessem is beautiful.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2019, 11:43 AM »
Snip

A = spring loaded angle pin, pull to unlock then rotate 90° to lock in the extracted position for free-rotation of main assembly
B = holes for the angle pin to seat
C = scale diamonds indicate lock angles @ 0,15,30,45°

It's too graphically crowded for a diamond at 22.5° but as you can see there is an index point.


Question: What kind of project would make use of the 15 & 30?

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2019, 12:12 PM »
@ChuckM Interesting question. The first thing that comes to my mind is an outdoor bench/table like this one

You can basically make any small angle cut to any furniture, to give it a more symmetric design  [eek]
Mario

Offline gary_va

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2019, 03:02 PM »
Jerry Cole, In-Line Industries, wrote a book which waxes numerically poetic about polygons as applied to multi-sided woodworking projects.

If this angular madness strikes your fancy you'll start to morph perfectly innocent square objects into hexgons (30°), dodecagons (15°), and many others. I don't have that sickness (yet) but my double Dubby and the new JessEm gauge stand ready to make that hexadecagon (16 sided) thing my wife will someday want.

That IS why we buy all these tools...right?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2019, 03:44 PM »
Thanks both for the idea...that outdoor bench looks suited for the DF500!

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2019, 04:49 PM »
Thanks both for the idea...that outdoor bench looks suited for the DF500!

Indeed! I can see the legs jointed as Half lap cross joint for more structural strength. A nice entry project for that coming miter gauge  [big grin]
Mario

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2019, 09:12 PM »
I’d love to understand what all the knobs and other adjustments do.
Birdhunter

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2019, 09:34 AM »
Indeed! I can see the legs jointed as Half lap cross joint for more structural strength. A nice entry project for that coming miter gauge  [big grin]

Using the Kapex to make the half-lap joints.  [smile]

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2019, 01:23 PM »
I’d love to understand what all the knobs and other adjustments do.

I can take you on an annotated photo tour but it would be best if you started with the manual, then I can fill in any blanks. It's not a bad book - they forgot to include scale calibration but that's a minor quibble.

One notable thing about this design: 100% feature parity does not exist when you are in the right-of-blade slot; the extension slideout is only configured for left-of-blade use. This is not a show-stopper for most but as a Lefty I noticed it right away.


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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2019, 01:53 PM »
Perhaps JessEm customer service has been improved. They were certainly responsive to me. I ordered a miter gage on June 1st, sent them an email this weekend asking when they would ship and received a response this morning (Monday) with the expected ship date of the 13th.

I am looking forward to the miter gage... I have their clear cut TS stock guide and I am very impressed with the design and quality construction. If the miter gage has the same robustness and quality I will be very pleased.

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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2019, 07:29 PM »
...sent them an email this weekend...

That's great news, what email address did you use?

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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2019, 09:57 PM »
...sent them an email this weekend...

That's great news, what email address did you use?

Personally, I tried several times to contact them after I started that thread. Via phone the person always said that she's going to ask an engineer and never called back. I called 3 times. I sent a request via their website contact page, no reply. The only time I was successful was from replying from their newsletter.
Mario

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2019, 09:59 PM »
@gary_va , Gary can you post a picture of your miter gauge with the sub fence when avail... thank you  [smile]
Mario

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2019, 06:40 PM »
...sent them an email this weekend...

That's great news, what email address did you use?

I used Jessem@jessem.com as an email and response came the next day from:

Patricia Thynne
Customer Service/Logistics Co-ordinator
61 Forest Plain Road
Oro-Medonte, ON  Canada
L3V 0R4
 
Toll Free: 800 436.6799
Local  705.726.8233
Fax 705.327.0295
 
www.jessem.com
www.jessemdirect.com
Find us on FACEBOOK: www.facebook.com/JessEmTools
« Last Edit: June 11, 2019, 06:43 PM by jellyroll »

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« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2019, 10:40 PM »
@Mario Turcot - As requested. Ignore the newly arrived table top swirls, Spring rust removal is running late this year.

@jellyroll - thanks for the info, who would have thought using jessem@jessem.com would get a real human, CLEVER!

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2019, 10:58 PM »
Thank you Gary, it look awesome.
Mario

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2019, 11:01 PM »
Mine was delivered last week.  Very very impressed with build quality.  Have yet to use on a project but plan on doing so this weekend.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2019, 11:10 PM by Boodrizzle »

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 11:08 PM »
In the sawblade manufacture thread, a sawblade video is shared. I noticed that the sacrificial fence on the mitre gauge was installed on the end of the gauge, not on the face. I will study it further to see if it is a better way of attaching a wooden fence for the mite-r ii when received.

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2019, 08:09 PM »
...the sacrificial fence on the mitre gauge was installed on the end of the gauge...

This intrigued me so I took a look. Turns out the wood end-piece is not sunk into the blade. It's odd shape suggests it served some other purpose and they just leave it installed.

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Great video nonetheless, 'How It's Made' grabs like 315 hide glue and they're extremely addictive!

FYI - in Youtube videos, "spacebar" and/or "K" on your keyboard will Pause and "<" and ">" (don't press shift) step forward and backward frame by frame...very handy for analysis and screen captures.


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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2019, 08:47 PM »
Thanks for the detective work, Gary.

I have yet to receive my Mite-R, and have no clue if such idea is good or even possible. If I have had any unusual findings, I will post them here.

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2019, 09:14 PM »
The Jessem Miter Gauge is built to receive a front sub fence. If I'm not wrong the t-bolts are part of the package. It is doable to put a end zero clearance but like Gary highlite with his picture there was a gap. Perhaps it's to prevent the sawstop safety to trigger?
Mario

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2019, 09:40 PM »
...If I'm not wrong the t-bolts are part of the package...

They provide two 1/4–20 flat head screws (#3 Phillips) and two square nuts.

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2019, 09:44 PM »
...If I'm not wrong the t-bolts are part of the package...

They provide two 1/4–20 flat head screws (#3 Phillips) and two square nuts.

Thanks for confirming. I had a look at the manual and sacrificial fence part. The fence need to be 2" 1/2 high and between 22"-25" long. Do you thin it would be doable to extend that fence over the extension? I mean if you have a 3/4" fence, the extension is no more in-line with the fence. To rectify, one could simply add a small ~2" long mini fence to the extension. You think it's possible?
Mario

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2019, 12:13 AM »
Quote
...one could simply add a small ~2" long mini fence to the extension.

Yes, one could engineer a gap-filler to align the face of the extension bar with the face of the 3/4" sacrif. wood.

Two design drivers are present:

1. The extension's square-nut channel is on the back side, not the front like the main fence
2. The gap is larger than 3/4" by the thickness of the extrusion plus a bit more; something close to an additional 3/32"

A three-piece design similar to the flip-stop seems viable. Even simpler would be cutting an extension-bar sized dado in a large block sized so you could slide the gap-filler over the extension bar wherever you wish.


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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2019, 04:57 PM »
Thank you Gary


Finally  [big grin]
Mario

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2019, 09:33 AM »
I continue to be pleased with their customer support. The miter gage arrived on schedule, assembly was easy, and I’m very please with both the design and the execution. They provide 4 small hex wrenches for assembly and if future adjustments are needed. There’s a tiny 3/32” hex wrench extender which is not necessary, but aids in  tightening and loosening 2 set screws.  They sent a part that appeared to be almost identical to the extension but actually must be a part from something else they manufacture.  I called them, they answered on the first ring, sincerely apologized, and two days later the correct hex extension arrive via UPS.  The correct part is the smaller diameter part in the photo.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2019, 09:41 AM by jellyroll »

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2019, 04:33 PM »
Opened the box today, and had the same wrong allen key extension in the package. Called customer service, and a replacement extension should be sent out by them tomorrow.

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2019, 04:42 PM »
Looks like it's cheaper on Amazon: LINK
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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2019, 12:45 PM »
Finally installed my Jessem gauge. Initial test cuts confirmed it is a robust gauge. Some observations:

1. They included the wrong part as someone reported earlier. It took two attempts before they got it right (they shipped the same incorrect part in the first try). But the customer service responses were quick.

2. To get rid of the little play on the stop, adjust the hinge nut slightly.

3. The extension stop should be longer to cater for a 3/4" fence. When I replace the fence, I will use 1/2" material instead of the 3/4" stock recommended in the manual.

4. Some sections of the manual can be improved for clarity.

The real test is in the actual use of the tool for months before a firm opinion on it can be made.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2019, 12:50 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: JESSEM Table Saw Miter Gauge
« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2019, 12:52 PM »
I agree 18mm sub fence make it a bit too bulky. I haven't use the extension stop yet, so I didn't notice how far it was sticking out. Thanks for the pictures :)
Mario