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Offline lshah72414

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Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« on: July 11, 2019, 10:38 AM »
Don't know if any one is interested being this is a Festool site, but Timberwolf tools is having a Mafell sale on select items until September 2019. P1cc  jig saw, Mt 55 cc track saw corded, Mt55 bl cordless,  and Mafell DDF40 duo  doweler, mafell KSS 40 18 mbl cordless complete system.
I believe some of the prices are a lot cheaper than you can get from overseas.

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Offline RustE

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2019, 11:38 AM »
Is this an e-mail special?  The DDF 40 shows as $999 with no mention of being a promotional or sale price.

Offline lshah72414

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2019, 12:07 PM »
Yes, e-mail special. Not sure what price on duo doweler was, because I don't follow it.
P1cc :525.00
mt 55cc: 615.00
mt55 18m bL: 599.00
kss 40 complete system: 999.00
ddf 40 duo doweler : 999.00

I followed all except ddf 40, as I have festool already, and all are significantly lower than normal Mafell prices.
Kss 40 complete was 1230.00 yesterday. to bring it over from England, this(999.00) is  still a lower price.

Offline RKA

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2019, 12:20 PM »
The website doesn't indicate it's a sale price, but the prices have been updated.  Some might be good deals, but I looked at the cordless MT55 and once you add the batteries, charger and track, it skyrocketed.  The corded MT55 is reasonable and you can get a bosch track elsewhere.
-Raj

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2019, 12:53 PM »
Looks like the cost of a Erica 85 went up

Offline RustE

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2019, 02:30 PM »
Yes, e-mail special. Not sure what price on duo doweler was, because I don't follow it.
P1cc :525.00
...
ddf 40 duo doweler : 999.00
...

Thanks for the info.

According to the cached Google pages, the prices a few days ago were:
P1cc = $795
DDF 40 = $1,296

Looks like the current promotional prices will have shipping charges and sales tax added.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 02:52 PM »
That’s a good price on the P1 cc, as I paid $765 from Toolnut in 2017.

Would love to pull the pin on the cordless MT55. However as Raj noted, throw in 2 batteries, a charger, a guide rail & 2 clamps and you’re pushing $1500.

My TSC suddenly seems like a good deal  [eek]

Offline ear3

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2019, 03:12 PM »
That's a great price on the jigsaw.  I'm tempted -- but I've kind of already committed my tool budget to the Nova Drill Press.
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Offline lshah72414

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2019, 03:27 PM »
@ cheese. You can buy bare tool for 599.00. Get two metabo 8.0 Ah batteries plus charger for 269.00 from ohio power tools. Mafell works on festool rails, and if you have rails , I'm sure you have clamps. 868.00 total plus shipping. Metabo makes mafell batteries. You could even get one 4.0Ah  plus one 8.0 Ah  plus charger for even less.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2019, 09:57 PM »
Wonder how the power of the 18 volt MT55 18M bl compares to the 36 volt TSC?

The Mafell has some nice features but would it be a much more refined plunging HKC or a slightly better but weaker TSC. Maybe the thin kerf blade neutralizes the power supply difference?

Also, is it certain that the 8 amp Metabo battery fits the MT55 18M bl?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2019, 10:25 PM »
@ cheese. You can buy bare tool for 599.00.

Thanks 🙏 for that info...I was stunned at the prices for the Mafell batteries, something like $265 each...the charger was reasonable at $80+. You’re right I could use Festool rails but I’ve always read that Mafell rails are the creme de la creme of guide rails. Besides my P1 cc needs something to ride on. And to further complicate matters, I’d really like to own the AeroFix rail for cutting in HVAC vents.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2019, 10:45 PM »
Wonder how the power of the 18 volt MT55 18M bl compares to the 36 volt TSC?

Michael, according to Mafell pundits, the power of the saw is somewhere between the TS 55 and the TS 75. I’d consider that’s a very comfortable hammock to be settled in.  [big grin]

So midlin power but minimal weight. That’s what intrigues me. For my needs a 75 is overkill, if I need that much poop, I’d enlist the 8” Milwaukee worm gear or it’s 10” side winder cousin.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2019, 11:17 PM »
That dual doweller has been on my list.  What is interesting is they just got the first batch of 110V units in, so really no one has bought them at the previous price. I'm assuming all pre-orders will get the current price.

If I didn't have my track saw, I think the mt55 would be happening for me. But at this point I have my TS-55 and rails, so no reason to change at this time.

Far as the price of the Erika 85, it hasn't changed,  $4050 is the same as it was before this.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2019, 11:32 PM »
That dual doweller has been on my list.  What is interesting is they just got the first batch of 110V units in, so really no one has bought them at the previous price. I'm assuming all pre-orders will get the current price.

If I didn't have my track saw, I think the mt55 would be happening for me. But at this point I have my TS-55 and rails, so no reason to change at this time.

Far as the price of the Erika 85, it hasn't changed,  $4050 is the same as it was before this.

Since the posted price is colored red like other sale items maybe this is fortelling a price increase?

Noticed the lower voltage windings on the Duo cost about $150 more...

Offline Cheese

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2019, 11:58 PM »
Far as the price of the Erika 85, it hasn't changed,  $4050 is the same as it was before this.

Considering the pricing of some of their other tools, the Erika seems like a steal...I'm serious.  [smile]

Offline SouthRider

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2019, 09:32 AM »
The email call it a "summer sale" with prices good through September.
"We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do almost anything, with nothing at all."

Offline RustE

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2019, 12:04 PM »
The email call it a "summer sale" with prices good through September.

Well, up here in Ohio the "summer" finally arrived a few weeks ago.  So I'm good with it staying around for a bit.

Offline LaVike

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2019, 07:25 PM »
@ cheese. You can buy bare tool for 599.00. Get two metabo 8.0 Ah batteries plus charger for 269.00 from ohio power tools. Mafell works on festool rails, and if you have rails , I'm sure you have clamps. 868.00 total plus shipping. Metabo makes mafell batteries. You could even get one 4.0Ah  plus one 8.0 Ah  plus charger for even less.

Longtime lurker here and seeing this topic made me sign up for the FOG.  So, this is my first post.

Long story short, I've been wanting to get back into woodworking after taking a 40+ year break.  The last time being in woodshop class in High School.

My brother gave me a great gift of an MFT/3 because of some things I'd done for him.  I don't have a lot of room in my garage and he was hoping to help get me into woodworking.  While the MFT/3 is a great gift, there is also the curse of getting "green in my blood".  So, I'm in this thread asking for advise/recommendations.

I've been looking at getting a TS55.  That cost is $590 plus tax & shipping.  From looking at Timberwolf's website, the Mafell equivalent is the MT55 and that is $615 plus shipping (no tax in my state).  So I can probably pickup the MT55 cheaper than getting the TS55 even with Amazon's Prime shipping if I were to go a cheap route like Amazon.

My advise request is should I go with the MT55 or are there other Festool advantages or accessories that make the TS55 worthwhile?  Also, I quoted the above because of the option for cordless.  Right now I think I'll be doing most of my work in a garage and have only thought I would need a corded saw but is there a compelling reason to go cordless?

As far as what I'm hoping to make with this stuff, my ultimate goal is to build a replica of a dry sink/hutch that my parents have.  I'd probably be making some simpler/smaller stuff to start out.  I'm sure other stuff would come up but that is the big target right now.

Thanks!

Offline ScotF

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2019, 07:36 PM »
@ cheese. You can buy bare tool for 599.00. Get two metabo 8.0 Ah batteries plus charger for 269.00 from ohio power tools. Mafell works on festool rails, and if you have rails , I'm sure you have clamps. 868.00 total plus shipping. Metabo makes mafell batteries. You could even get one 4.0Ah  plus one 8.0 Ah  plus charger for even less.

Longtime lurker here and seeing this topic made me sign up for the FOG.  So, this is my first post.

Long story short, I've been wanting to get back into woodworking after taking a 40+ year break.  The last time being in woodshop class in High School.

My brother gave me a great gift of an MFT/3 because of some things I'd done for him.  I don't have a lot of room in my garage and he was hoping to help get me into woodworking.  While the MFT/3 is a great gift, there is also the curse of getting "green in my blood".  So, I'm in this thread asking for advise/recommendations.

I've been looking at getting a TS55.  That cost is $590 plus tax & shipping.  From looking at Timberwolf's website, the Mafell equivalent is the MT55 and that is $615 plus shipping (no tax in my state).  So I can probably pickup the MT55 cheaper than getting the TS55 even with Amazon's Prime shipping if I were to go a cheap route like Amazon.

My advise request is should I go with the MT55 or are there other Festool advantages or accessories that make the TS55 worthwhile?  Also, I quoted the above because of the option for cordless.  Right now I think I'll be doing most of my work in a garage and have only thought I would need a corded saw but is there a compelling reason to go cordless?

As far as what I'm hoping to make with this stuff, my ultimate goal is to build a replica of a dry sink/hutch that my parents have.  I'd probably be making some simpler/smaller stuff to start out.  I'm sure other stuff would come up but that is the big target right now.

Thanks!

Cordless TS55 is awesome - full power and convenience of no cords or hoses and you can pick one up for a discount at some dealers with the older non-Bluetooth batteries. I would opt for the MT55 over a corded TS55 because of power and if you are going to invest in one over the other and need rails, the MT55 works with both FT rails and the Mafell rails. More overall accessories available for Festool, but Mafell covers most of what you need and the advantages of it outweigh many other shortcomings. The prices on Mafell right now are crazy good - for the 5 tools that they have on sale - so if you are inclined to go that route, now is the time. 

Offline LaVike

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2019, 11:47 AM »
ScotF - thank you very much!  I think I'll be going the MT55cc route.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2019, 01:51 PM »
gee. a page of posts and no link? Here you go:

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell

Offline JimH2

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2019, 02:26 PM »
@ cheese. You can buy bare tool for 599.00. Get two metabo 8.0 Ah batteries plus charger for 269.00 from ohio power tools. Mafell works on festool rails, and if you have rails , I'm sure you have clamps. 868.00 total plus shipping. Metabo makes mafell batteries. You could even get one 4.0Ah  plus one 8.0 Ah  plus charger for even less.

Even if the 8.0 amp batteries are too big I think it ships with 5.0 amp (or possibly 5.2) so those will work. It is great that Metabo and others creating some type of battery agreement between manufacturers. I realize there may be cases where customized battery sizes are better, but for larger tools I don't think it makes a difference. Other than Mafell and Metabo I don't know of other manufacturers that sell tools in the US.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2019, 02:28 PM »
@ cheese. You can buy bare tool for 599.00.

Thanks 🙏 for that info...I was stunned at the prices for the Mafell batteries, something like $265 each...the charger was reasonable at $80+. You’re right I could use Festool rails but I’ve always read that Mafell rails are the creme de la creme of guide rails. Besides my P1 cc needs something to ride on. And to further complicate matters, I’d really like to own the AeroFix rail for cutting in HVAC vents.

The rails are definitely better and it is a compromise to not use the FT ones instead unless you already own them.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2019, 02:29 PM »
Since the posted price is colored red like other sale items maybe this is fortelling a price increase?

Noticed the lower voltage windings on the Duo cost about $150 more...

Help me, and possibly others, out with the significance of the windings.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2019, 02:47 PM »
Help me, and possibly others, out with the significance of the windings.

I think Michael was just noting that the 120 volt version is more expensive.

Offline Blues

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2019, 04:43 PM »
Just wanted to share ..

I spoke to Jeff @ Timberwolf. Sale is on till end of Sept.
https://www.timberwolftools.com/blog/post/making-mafell-products-more-affordable-for-carpenters-who-always-wanted-one/

"Mafell has agreed to offer the following SUMMER SALE PRICES to our customers starting now through September 2019".

Picked up their Jig Saw the P1CC. So many people swear by it. Will provide a feedback after I get it.



Offline Blues

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2019, 04:49 PM »
.. And BTW the MT55cc has been recently upgraded to a "Powerful 13.5 amp CUprex Compact motor" - which makes it more powerful than the TS75 (?? ). I believe there is a piece of plastic that can be removed and it can ride on the Festool Track. Cutting depth is 2", which I thought is plenty! And these can also be used on the Bosch track which are 50% cheaper than the Mafell tack.

Thoughts??

Offline broseiden

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2019, 07:18 PM »
I ordered a P1CC and MT55CC. I didnt know their track saw was updated with a more powerful motor, but lack of power is one issue that occasionally arises with my TS55, so I'm looking forward to trying it out. Same with quicker blade changes, better tracks, and bevel settings. The TS55 allows me to do a lot of things I previously couldn't, and I prefer it to the Makita and Dewalt, but from reviews I expect the Mafell will suit me a bit better.  We'll see!

Offline JD2720

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2019, 08:01 PM »
Am I wrong, does the Mafell MT55cc not have a riving knife like the Festool TS55? That is a deal breaker for me if it does not.

Offline Lincoln

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Re: Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2019, 08:19 PM »

PRESS RELEASE
Safer sawing without a riving knife
 
MAFELL MT 55 cc plunge-cut saw with kick-back protection
 
 
In its new MT 55 cc plunge-cut saw, MAFELL has combined the benefits of enhanced active safety, improved handling and enhanced cut quality – without a riving knife. According to the manufacturer, active kick-back protection averts the danger of recoil when the blade enters the work more effectively than a riving knife. In addition, design measures introduced alongside standard EN 60745-2-5, which entered force in 2007, have increased the passive safety of saws that dispense with a riving knife.
 
Especially when entering the workpiece, the blade of conventional plunge-cut saws can easily jam and thus cause a kick-back. The MAFELL MT 55 cc plunge-cut saw significantly reduces the likelihood of this effect occurring. Thanks to the CUprex Compact motor driving the sawblade at a maximum of 6,200 rpm, the cutting speed is 20 per cent higher than usual. The teeth of the carbide-tipped sawblade thus remove less stock per revolution, which appreciably reduces the risk of jamming.
 
The probability of a kick-back arising from sawblade jamming is much lower while sawing is in progress as well. The high speed enables the blade to cut itself free more effectively. Additional safety is afforded by the automatic isolation of the power supply to the motor if the blade jams.
 
"The active kick-back protection provided by the high speed and automatic power supply interruption offers greater safety than a riving knife, which does not protect against the kick-back effect when the blade enters the work and can be a nuisance for the tradesman," comments Ralf Kohler, head of sales and marketing at MAFELL. Josef Riederer, a tradesman of Unterneuhausen, vindicates the manager's claim, "I feel safe when working with the MT 55 cc."
 
The passive safety of the MAFELL MT 55 cc plunge-cut saw is also enhanced by the strict provisions of EN 60745-2-5 for saws without a riving knife. In the event of a kick-back, the standard requires that the sawblade fully retracts inside its housing within just 0.3 seconds. In compliance with the standard's provisions, MAFELL tested this safety feature more than 50,000 times.
 
Dispensing with a riving knife makes the saw much easier to use. When changing the sawblade, for example, it is no longer necessary to change the riving knife according to the blade thickness and adjust it to suit the blade diameter. This not only accelerates the blade changing operation, but also reduces the workload when working with a variety of materials. Tradesmen are also delighted that the absence of a riving knife protects sensitive surfaces against the risk of scratch marks.