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Offline HarveyWildes

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New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« on: May 08, 2019, 10:14 AM »

It's not a one time tool, which shows good judgement.

Woodpeckers just introduced an adjustable track square market.  It looks like a track square with a protractor leveraged from their miter gauges.


I've got the Festool square and the issue that I've had is that the angle adjustment can't take the torque of a long track/saw and moves around.  I've been waiting for TSO to come out with an adjustable track square for a couple of years.  (TSO hinted at it a while back, but seem to have been filling out their product line in other areas like parallel guides and dogs.  I can't believe that Woodpeckers beat them to market.)  So I'll be looking to see if the Woodpeckers version will do better at keeping the angle setting.  I'm guessing that if you have it set to one of the standard angles, you'll be OK because of the detents, but the little adjustment knob doesn't look very sturdy to me if you're not using it in tandem with a detent.


I'm interested in other observations on the product.  I might be tempted because I've been waiting on a good angle setting guide for a while.

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Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2019, 10:28 AM »
It looks like it will be quite useful.  A combination of the Incra style detents and a sturdy square.  I see that they are not expected to ship until end of September 2019.  It's a little on the expensive side, but that is typical for items in this market.

Offline nexgen91

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Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2019, 01:04 PM »
Looks like Woodpeckers just introduced a new add on for track saw rails: Adjustable Track Square

Thoughts from the community?



Edit to add prices:

Adjustable Track Square in Systainer
Regular Price: $349.99
Intro price: $329.99

Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square    
Adjustable Track Square - No Case
Regular Price: $269.99
Intro price: $249.99

Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square    
Adjustable Track Square - Systainer Only
Regular Price: $109.99
« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 02:21 PM by nexgen91 »

Offline simonh

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2019, 01:08 PM »
Quite clever incorporating the angles. But, I thought TSO had a patent on the clip attachment to the rail?

Offline promark747

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2019, 01:11 PM »
Looks nice, but $350 is obscene.

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2019, 01:17 PM »
looks well made, like most Woodpeckers brand tools, and not an inferior copy, even if we inspired it.

Spurs us on to continue to innovate  and not rest on what we have accomplished so far [smile]

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Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2019, 01:29 PM »
Looks nice, but $350 is obscene.
Just attach Incra miter gauge to the track. Same functionality for less $$.  [big grin]

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2019, 01:37 PM »
a patent on the clip attachment to the rail?

The spring-loaded clip is patent-able?

Offline nexgen91

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2019, 01:37 PM »
Looks nice, but $350 is obscene.
Just attach Incra miter gauge to the track. Same functionality for less $$.  [big grin]

Sounds like a good idea, would love to see some one execute that and post it 😀

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2019, 01:44 PM »
Depending on which Inrca mitre gauge we're talking about, some people might consider the idea of having an Incra® Miter 3000SE Gauge obscene, too. [tongue]
« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 01:48 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2019, 01:51 PM »
Good luck getting it to hold angle. Maybe if they added another arc and screw on the opposite side underneath.

Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2019, 01:58 PM »
Depending on which Inrca mitre gauge we're talking about, some people might consider the idea of having an Incra® Miter 3000SE Gauge obscene, too. [tongue]
You only need the protractor part with notches, handle, and notch lock, such as V120. You can get separate parts from them. Bar will have to be shop made. Notches will insure solid angle hold.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2019, 02:01 PM »
Oh. I did not think of just getting the parts; I thought your suggestion only worked for those who already own an Incra.

Offline demographic

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2019, 03:19 PM »
Almost a HKC rail then.

Offline threesixright

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2019, 03:51 PM »
Looks nice, but $350 is obscene.
Agreed. Same with TSO. Apparently they can get away with it


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Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2019, 04:32 PM »
It is pricey for what it is, even by Woodpeck standards.

But repeatable accuracy to .0000001°  :-)
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Offline Svar

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2019, 05:03 PM »
@Peter Halle
Might combine this thread with another on the same topic today.

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2019, 06:11 PM »
@Svar , Thanks for the heads up.  Merged.

Peter

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Might combine this thread with another on the same topic today.

Offline edwarmr

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2019, 11:46 PM »
Looks nice, but $350 is obscene.

$350 definitely isn’t cheap but if you really break it down it’s not all that terrible for what you get.
Compare it to the price of TSO products.

Woodpeckers
Adjustable track square in a Sys 1=$349.99 (currently $329.99 through 5/28/19)
Adjustable track square only=$269.99 (currently $249.99 through 5/28/19)
Sys 1 only=$109.99 (I’m making the assumption this includes the foam...I could be wrong)

TSO
GRS-16=$159.95
Sys 1 with foam insert=$105.95

TSO comes out to $265.90 and does not include the ability to make angled cuts.
Woodpeckers is $329.99 currently and can make angled cuts.

Basically you are paying $64.09 more for the ability to make repeatable angled cuts.

The price of the parts from Incra plus the time to modify the square wouldn’t be worth saving $64.09 to me. Of course I don’t know how well the square works or keeps its angles. That would be my big question. No matter how well the angle locks down I would think a clamp is needed on the far end to prevent the rail from flexing (Similar to how the Incra Miter 5000 uses an outboard fence support bracket to prevent the fence from flexing).

Offline edwarmr

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Re: Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2019, 11:52 PM »
looks well made, like most Woodpeckers brand tools, and not an inferior copy, even if we inspired it.

Spurs us on to continue to innovate  and not rest on what we have accomplished so far [smile]

Hans and the TSO Team

I just wanted to take the time to say how nice it is to see a classy comment like this from TSO. In a world where companies are bad mouthing each other to get the upper hand it’s refreshing to see a company like TSO make positive remarks about their competitor and use their product as motivation to improve.

It speaks to the integrity of your team and to your commitment to making quality products.

Thanks :)

Offline infer

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2019, 11:58 PM »
If you have one minute time to spend and align the track the EQUERRE EQUETRACK for 46 Euro works great and also allows repeatable width cuts with just a flag stop and an aluminum extrusion. I have no affiliation with the french shop bit I find the tool to work great and extremely cheap for what you can do with it.
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Offline cubevandude

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2019, 08:56 AM »
This looks like a great tool.  I would however like to see optional mounting holes for mounting other edge guides and  MFT/3 hinge plate mounting holes like the TSO squares have incorporated.

Offline elfick

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2019, 12:32 PM »
Shame it isn't shipping until 09/30.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2019, 12:59 PM »
The long delay is part of WP's business model, I was told. They would release a promo video, start taking orders and wait for a period of time before going into production. This way, they can keep "unsold" quantity to a minimum as well as gauge the market demand.

Offline elfick

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2019, 01:47 PM »
The long delay is part of WP's business model, I was told. They would release a promo video, start taking orders and wait for a period of time before going into production. This way, they can keep "unsold" quantity to a minimum as well as gauge the market demand.
Hmm... Doesn't seem a whole lot different than their OTT runs.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2019, 02:36 PM »
Just my [2cents] - I have the TSO version and for me the #1 most important thing about using it is I never have to stop and check, or even wonder, whether it is square. Slap it on and cut, take it off and move on.

Not saying that won't be the case with the WP version, & for others it might be important to have the ability to set angled cuts, it's just not something that is important in my workflow.

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2019, 12:23 PM »
Im with Richard on this. No need to calibrate I know its square. Same if I attach it to use the MFT guide rail mount.

I dont do a lot of angle cuts so that ability isnt all that important to me

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Re: New Woodpeckers Adjustable Track Square
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2019, 04:22 PM »
I'd rather have it be known square. Even though I probably cut more angled stuff than others, it's still 99% square cuts. The angled cuts are likely 80% from a bevel/transfer gauge as I'm needing to match something. The other 20% of the time, it's a computed angle that needs to be set more accurately than that gauge would allow.

The times I've needed a specific angle, I put the AngleMaster Pro (AMP) against a column of dogs, put a fence board against the other side of the AMP, then clamped it in place to be a fence for the boards. Works very well. Admittedly, the AMP is more expensive than any of these options, but any triangle gauge that can set your angle accurately can be used the same way.
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