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Title: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 08, 2019, 12:49 PM
Just got this saw two weeks back as my first table saw and decided to make some changes. Woodpecker 24" Super Track added to allow me more infeed support and to use my Jessem CS guides from my router table. Works a treat just used it to rip a 48" long board. The measure on the front of the saw had enough adjustment to account for the Super Track thickness.

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Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: TSO Products on July 08, 2019, 01:00 PM
@DynaGlide  -  that's one terrific solution for dealing with "narrow stock" in a space saving manner for everyone's space limited woodshop.

thanks for the detailed pictures!
Hans
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Jiggy Joiner on July 08, 2019, 01:14 PM
That's a neat and innovative setup.  [thumbs up]
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: JimH2 on July 08, 2019, 02:11 PM
Very well done.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: live4ever on July 08, 2019, 03:05 PM
Very nice - I'm totally going to copy this if you don't mind.  I have a similar DW saw that I have to use right now since my cabinet saw is dismantled at the moment, and I happen to have some WP super track and those Jessem guides laying around...  [big grin]
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 08, 2019, 03:50 PM
Very nice - I'm totally going to copy this if you don't mind.  I have a similar DW saw that I have to use right now since my cabinet saw is dismantled at the moment, and I happen to have some WP super track and those Jessem guides laying around...  [big grin]

Hey we're all here to learn right? Copy away  ;)
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Dick Mahany on July 08, 2019, 04:18 PM
Nice job.  Clean installation.  I have the DWE 7491RS and made a similar arrangement to hold feather boards as the Jessum devices weren't in the budget.  Thanks for the great pics.  Must be a joy to use.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: ear3 on July 08, 2019, 04:29 PM
Great modification!
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Dusty.Tools on July 08, 2019, 10:49 PM
Just got this saw two weeks back as my first table saw and decided to make some changes. Woodpecker 24" Super Track added to allow me more infeed support and to use my Jessem CS guides from my router table. Works a treat just used it to rip a 48" long board. The measure on the front of the saw had enough adjustment to account for the Super Track thickness.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kmPLFS7/0/0794ae03/4K/i-kmPLFS7-4K.jpg)

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Nice!

I brought a 24” piece for exactly this. How did you attach it? Looks like you drilled a hole through the fence?

I couldn’t figure out a decent solution that didn’t ‘damage’ the fence and I didn’t want to hurt the resell value.

Cheers

Ben


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dusty.tools
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Cheese on July 08, 2019, 11:12 PM
I couldn’t figure out a decent solution that didn’t ‘damage’ the fence and I didn’t want to hurt the resell value.

I guess I’ve always had a different twist on the resale value thing. Most everything I purchase I use and if I do resell it later, it’s usually years later when better products are available and a few errant screw holes, CAREFULLY PLACED, really don’t diminish its value. For the most part, a Ryobi table saw will never become a collectors item...unless you happen to meet that singular museum associate that specializes in and obsesses over Ryobi table saws.  [big grin] [big grin]

Collector cars, motorcycles, watches, knives and firearms are a completely different thing.

What ever happened to “Care Bears” or “Beany Babies”?
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Dusty.Tools on July 09, 2019, 12:36 AM
I couldn’t figure out a decent solution that didn’t ‘damage’ the fence and I didn’t want to hurt the resell value.

I guess I’ve always had a different twist on the resale value thing. Most everything I purchase I use and if I do resell it later, it’s usually years later when better products are available and a few errant screw holes, CAREFULLY PLACED, really don’t diminish its value. For the most part, a Ryobi table saw will never become a collectors item...unless you happen to meet that singular museum associate that specializes in and obsesses over Ryobi table saws.  [big grin] [big grin]

Collector cars, motorcycles, watches, knives and firearms are a completely different thing.

What ever happened to “Care Bears” or “Beany Babies”?

I have done surprisingly well over the years upcycling my tools on ebay (etc.), sometimes even paying for a newer version of a tool outright. I have 763 reviews on ebay :)

So I tend to think twice before making a non-wear-tear change, but it definitely doesn't stop me!
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 09, 2019, 06:04 AM
@DustyTools I think you're safe to drill the fence. Having seen your shop on IG chances are your saw will be so clean compared to others it won't be a problem.

The holes are high up so I don't believe they would affect the functionality of the fence in any way. Remember most people use jobsite saws for rough work. Every one I saw when looking on Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace looked like it lived a hard life.

With this mod I can do more precise rips and very safely which imo is more important than any resale value. If preventing kickback cost me the entire resale value I would still do it.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Sparktrician on July 09, 2019, 07:37 AM
Matt, I really like the way you used the SuperTrack and Stock Guides.  Good job!   [thumbs up]
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 09, 2019, 09:08 AM
Thanks Matt, a set of the Jessem guides somehow found their way into my Amazon cart...

Already have the super track so the rest is easy, I never fret about drilling holes in stuff. I like the simplicity of reverting to stock with the turn of 2 knobs.

Love that little saw, mine has been thru the ringer for nearly 10 years and still cuts beautifully, 8/4 hardwood is not a problem. I just wish it'd take a dado blade.

RMW
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 09, 2019, 11:38 AM
@Sparktrician Thanks Willy. I think I'm getting the hang of all this  [cool]

@Richard/RMW When I was researching saws the consensus was the Dewalts cut just as well as anything and the rack and pinion fence is a pleasure to use. Coupled with the $250 price tag during holidays the choice was easy as I don't foresee needing anything larger. With the modifications ripping longer boards up to 60" is a snap by myself.

For anyone interested I'm posting up some work I'm doing on my instagram this week. The handle is in my signature.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Dusty.Tools on July 09, 2019, 12:14 PM
@DustyTools I think you're safe to drill the fence. Having seen your shop on IG chances are your saw will be so clean compared to others it won't be a problem.

The holes are high up so I don't believe they would affect the functionality of the fence in any way. Remember most people use jobsite saws for rough work. Every one I saw when looking on Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace looked like it lived a hard life.

With this mod I can do more precise rips and very safely which imo is more important than any resale value. If preventing kickback cost me the entire resale value I would still do it.

:)

I will make the mod this week!


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dusty.tools
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Steven Owen on July 10, 2019, 12:12 AM
That’s great solution.  There’s a little flex in the DEWALT fence that can throw out cuts. What method did you use to drill the holes through the fence to get the alignment correct?
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 10, 2019, 06:02 AM
@Steven Owen I used a hand drill and clamped a drill guide in place from Big Gator Tools. To get my measurements I placed the super track on 1mm shims to allow a gap under then figured out where the holes needed to be. Should've taken pictures. If I had a drill press I would've removed the fence.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: broseiden on July 12, 2019, 12:18 PM
Looks awesome!
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 12, 2019, 02:03 PM
Matt after seeing the photos again on the shutter thread I clicked Buy-it-Now and the Jessum guides will arrive tomorrow. Only change I plan is to use button head cap screws rather than knobs so I can leave the push stick on the fence.

Thanks for the great idea, it's such a simple & useful mod it's impossible to pass up.

RMW

BTW - based on your shutter thread you are a better man than I...  [poke]

Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 12, 2019, 02:31 PM
BTW - based on your shutter thread you are a better crazier man than I...  [poke]

I fixed it for you  [big grin]

Enjoy your upgraded saw and let me know how you like it.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Reed Hoyer on July 14, 2019, 09:35 AM
Matt,

The super fence and stock guides are both great additions to your saw. I have a Bosch 4100, which I have been lusting to replace for years, and am embarrassed I never thought to do either of them. It would have been trivial given there is already a built in t-slot in the fence.

I've looked at the stock guides several times in the past and, for some unknown reason, felt like there must be some technical reason or real disadvantage to using the router guides on a table saw rather than the much more expensive table saw guides. It seems to me that you are having great success with the router guides. Do you think that you make any compromises using the router guides or is all that extra engineering in the table saw guides just to mount them on an upper t-slot?

Thank you, again, for sharing. Your setup is very nice and your shutter work in the other thread looks great!

-Reed
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Alanbach on July 14, 2019, 10:29 AM
@Reed Hoyer - I have the Jessem guides on my router table and recently bought the TS guides for my table saw. The TS guide wheels themselves are bigger and beefier than those on the router guides. When I push a full 4x8’ sheet into the table saw those guides grab it and within an inch or two the first wheel has it snugged up against the fence and held down tight. I would think that in practice that will be the difference between the two when mounted on the TS ... BIG heavy pieces. No reason that the router guides won’t work they are just a bit smaller. Now as far as smaller work is concerned I would think that there will be no difference at all.

The other minor difference is that the router guides can pivot up to allow certain sizes of work to slide under them (without using them) without the need to remove them from the fence. However, if you wanted to run something tall up against the fence you would need to remove them. Whereas the TS guides can swing up and retract out of the way altogether. To me that is not really an issue at all as it takes seconds to slide the router guides out and then a few more seconds to slide them back in.

Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Alanbach on July 14, 2019, 03:20 PM
I elected to use the TS guides because I do sometimes push large 8’ pieces through my TS and the implementation of this tool means that I don’t have to bother my wife to help me handle large sheets any longer. As you can see from the picture I have a Besemeyer style fence and I used mag locks to help me avoid putting any holes in the fence. It also allows for quick removal when I want to use one of my other jig / attachments. I got this mounting idea from Dave Stanton’s YouTube video on the subject. Dave also has another jig project for a Besemeyer style fence that incorporates a sacrificial fence face as well as t-slots that accommodate  feather boards and / or Jessem’s router table guides.

Having said that I do love this use of the super-fence. In the past hours since first seeing this post I have found myself thinking up other uses for it in my shop.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Reed Hoyer on July 15, 2019, 10:12 AM
Thanks @Alanbach . That’s a slick setup.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Steven Owen on July 18, 2019, 12:20 PM
I elected to use the TS guides because I do sometimes push large 8’ pieces through my TS and the implementation of this tool means that I don’t have to bother my wife to help me handle large sheets any longer. As you can see from the picture I have a Besemeyer style fence and I used mag locks to help me avoid putting any holes in the fence. It also allows for quick removal when I want to use one of my other jig / attachments. I got this mounting idea from Dave Stanton’s YouTube video on the subject. Dave also has another jig project for a Besemeyer style fence that incorporates a sacrificial fence face as well as t-slots that accommodate  feather boards and / or Jessem’s router table guides.

Having said that I do love this use of the super-fence. In the past hours since first seeing this post I have found myself thinking up other uses for it in my shop.

At some point you’ll want to get yourself a track saw of some kind.  The track saws do a much better job breaking down large 8’ foot sheet goods.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Bob D. on July 18, 2019, 12:53 PM
I know the Mag-locks are strong, I have a few of both sizes, but I don't know if I could trust them to hold down a workpiece on a table saw with just a pair of them stuck to the top of the fence. The fence is not very heavy gauge metal, so not a lot for the magnets to 'bite' into or grip. You might not be able to pull it off by hand, but I think the kickback forces generated by a 3 HP motor like the one on my saw will be stronger than a pair of mag-locks.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Alanbach on July 18, 2019, 01:35 PM
I have a Sawstop PCS (3HP) with their T Glide fence which is a Besemeyer style fence. The rectangular steel tube is quite substantial and I used Mag locks rated for 150 lbs. each. They are drilled down into the wooden mounting block such that they contact the fence directly. I would consider myself fairly safety obsessed and I have no fear whatsoever that my set up, combined with my saws splitter / guard, will work perfectly and as intended. The whole idea of the Jessem TS guides is to hold the work very firmly against the fence so as to prevent kickback. If used properly I have no concerns whatsoever that this set up is safe and efficient. I would be more concerned that the one way gears in the guide’s wheels would fail before those Maglocks would let go and I have no fear of that happening.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Alanbach on July 18, 2019, 01:46 PM
@Steven Owen - I own a TS55 but I only break it out if the cut that I need to do exceeds my 52” fence capacity which is rare. Unless I am going mobile to work at one of the kid’s houses then it comes along, no doubt.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 19, 2019, 09:15 AM
Received the Jessum guides a couple days ago and I'm really impressed with the quality for $100. For any price really, they are just super nice. Added bonus is they fit the super track like they were designed for it.

20 minutes and 2 holes away for adding this one to the "to done" list. Okay, add 10 minutes to find the right fasteners.

Thanks again Matt.

RMW
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Dusty.Tools on July 30, 2019, 02:42 AM
Worked a treat! Thanks :)

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dusty.tools
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 30, 2019, 01:08 PM
Ditto - installed mine on Sunday, adjusted the readout plate, set it to 5.75" and made a cut.

For fun I calipered the cut afterward and got 5.755"... Total dumb luck of course but it gave me a giggle.

RMW
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Sparktrician on July 30, 2019, 06:56 PM
Ditto - installed mine on Sunday, adjusted the readout plate, set it to 5.75" and made a cut.

For fun I calipered the cut afterward and got 5.755"... Total dumb luck of course but it gave me a giggle.

RMW

Richard, how can you possibly tolerate that margin of error???   [poke] [poke] [poke]
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 30, 2019, 08:46 PM
Ditto - installed mine on Sunday, adjusted the readout plate, set it to 5.75" and made a cut.

For fun I calipered the cut afterward and got 5.755"... Total dumb luck of course but it gave me a giggle.

RMW

Richard, how can you possibly tolerate that margin of error???   [poke] [poke] [poke]

Good enough for the girls I run with...  [big grin]

RMW
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Cheese on July 30, 2019, 10:07 PM

For fun I calipered the cut afterward and got 5.755"... Total dumb luck of course but it gave me a giggle.



Bummer Richard, that’s at least 5 thou out...PM me if you need to get this thing corrected.  [poke]
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 31, 2019, 08:32 AM

For fun I calipered the cut afterward and got 5.755"... Total dumb luck of course but it gave me a giggle.



Bummer Richard, that’s at least 5 thou out...PM me if you need to get this thing corrected.  [poke]

Just operator/parallax error reading the scale. I adjusted it and re-cut the piece...  [dead horse]

RMW
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Scott in Bend on July 31, 2019, 10:04 AM
Worked a treat! Thanks :)

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dusty.tools

It appears that the leading and trailing guides are reversed in your setup from Jessem"s normal orientation.  Does that make a difference in operation?
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Sparktrician on July 31, 2019, 10:36 AM
Worked a treat! Thanks :)

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dusty.tools

It appears that the leading and trailing guides are reversed in your setup from Jessem"s normal orientation.  Does that make a difference in operation?


Concur.  Here's a shot of my CMS on which I use the stock guides.   [smile]
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 31, 2019, 11:49 AM
I mistakenly set mine up that way and it worked fine. Far as I can tell they are totally interchangeable.

RMW
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Cheese on July 31, 2019, 12:07 PM
Concur.  Here's a shot of my CMS on which I use the stock guides.   [smile]

Ohhhhhh I like that Sparky. So you use the Jessem guides all the time? Do you ever switch over to the original Festool items?
Title: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Dusty.Tools on July 31, 2019, 12:08 PM
I mistakenly set mine up that way and it worked fine. Far as I can tell they are totally interchangeable.

RMW
Yeah I don't think it makes a difference, as long as the direction of travel arrow is in the right direction.

But well spotted :)


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dusty.tools
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 31, 2019, 12:20 PM
Concur.  Here's a shot of my CMS on which I use the stock guides.   [smile]

Ohhhhhh I like that Sparky. So you use the Jessem guides all the time? Do you ever switch over to the original Festool items?

Not Sparky but I use them on my CMS as well. It's situation dependent I like to have options. Sometimes the Festool setup makes more sense. It's all about what I'm trying to rout. Like if I have the face of the board against the fence and the board is only an inch thick, the Jessem guides are no good.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Cheese on July 31, 2019, 12:47 PM
Not Sparky but I use them on my CMS as well. It's situation dependent I like to have options. Sometimes the Festool setup makes more sense. It's all about what I'm trying to rout. Like if I have the face of the board against the fence and the board is only an inch thick, the Jessem guides are no good.

Thanks for that...🙏  🙏  Now I understand. Just curious which system you use more often?
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: DynaGlide on July 31, 2019, 01:46 PM
Not Sparky but I use them on my CMS as well. It's situation dependent I like to have options. Sometimes the Festool setup makes more sense. It's all about what I'm trying to rout. Like if I have the face of the board against the fence and the board is only an inch thick, the Jessem guides are no good.

Thanks for that...🙏  🙏  Now I understand. Just curious which system you use more often?

Definitely use the Jessem whenever I can. If the board is face down it works great. When I first got the table I was all about trying to keep the fence flush with the bearing on bearing guided bits. Since then I realized it's a heck of a lot easier to let the bearing sit proud of the fence. Pretty much the only situation I don't ues the Jessem guides is like I said, when they can't properly register on a board on edge. The Festool setup flexes too much to provide that rock solid pressure I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Alanbach on July 31, 2019, 08:01 PM
Although the direction of feed requirement does make the position interchangeable I would not consider the feed wheels on the outside optimal. The reason is that with the feed wheels configured closest to the cutter (inside) you are able to keep the workpiece engaged in both guides for much longer. The full potential of the guides is lost or at least reduced as soon as one of the wheels releases the workpiece so the closer the wheels are to each other the better.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Dusty.Tools on July 31, 2019, 11:28 PM
Just go be clear, I’m not planning to use it reversed.

That said, for a saw cut, I think placing them inline with the front and rear of the raised saw blade would be the best position? Not close together like on a router.

Ben


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dusty.tools
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Bob D. on August 01, 2019, 05:36 AM
Just go be clear, I’m not planning to use it reversed.

That said, for a saw cut, I think placing them inline with the front and rear of the raised saw blade would be the best position? Not close together like on a router.

Ben


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dusty.tools

The guides would need to be slightly inboard (between the fence and blade) wouldn't they?

If it were possible to place them inline with the blade the outfeed side would be spanning the
kerf which doesn't sound safe. I have never used my guides on the TS, only the router table,
so just an observation.

Or are you talking about the table saw cutting guides, not the router table guides. I've never
seen the TS guides up close but I don't see how that would change my concern. If the wheels
are angled slightly to keep the workpiece against the fence, then placing the outfeed wheel in
line with the blade/kerf might drag the outboard half of the workpiece in toward the blade and
spoil the cut or worse.
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Richard/RMW on August 01, 2019, 06:06 AM
From my limited (2 cuts) experience so far I think having the front guide a little further from the blade is beneficial. That way it engages before the stock touches the blade and pulls the material into the fence.

The location of the rear guide is somewhat dependent on the width of the cut, for very narrow rips (<1"-ish) it'll need to be behind the blade. On wider cuts it can be beside the blade and engage the material sooner.

RMW
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Sparktrician on August 01, 2019, 09:00 AM
Concur.  Here's a shot of my CMS on which I use the stock guides.   [smile]

Ohhhhhh I like that Sparky. So you use the Jessem guides all the time? Do you ever switch over to the original Festool items?

I use them on pretty much everything except stock run through vertically.   [smile]
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: Sparktrician on August 01, 2019, 09:03 AM
I mistakenly set mine up that way and it worked fine. Far as I can tell they are totally interchangeable.

RMW
Yeah I don't think it makes a difference, as long as the direction of travel arrow is in the right direction.

But well spotted :)


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dusty.tools

I don't think it makes much difference, if any, but I prefer having the gripping wheels (for lack of a better name) as close to the bit as possible to reduce any chances of material being pushed away from the bit. 

That said, I really like the way that @DynaGlide uses them with the extrusion on his table saw, and will very likely do that same thing on my Bosch table saw in the near future. 
Title: Re: Upgraded my DW745
Post by: ben_r_ on August 02, 2019, 06:46 PM
Very cool! Great idea!