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Title: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: elfick on March 28, 2019, 12:46 PM
It's time to rein in my mismatched group of organizers... a bunch from HF, a Milwaukee parts organizer, a Tanos-branded Raaco rack-box (https://www.amazon.com/Tanos-80000061-Rack-Systainer-Rack-Box-Anthracite/dp/B00GQZJI5G), and couple others that I can't remember at the moment.

I have basically three use cases: Fixed in the shop, mobile in the shop or around the house, and mobile away from the shop/house.

I'd like a single matched system that will work in all these instances. Bins that can be moved between fixed, semi-mobile, and mobile carriers seem to be the way to go. To this end, I just put in an order for a Sys 4 Sortainer, Sys-Storage, and a few sets of bins... I probably should have asked this before I did.  [smile]

How do you handle your fasteners/parts? Also, does anyone know if there are comparably sized bins available elsewhere cheaper? If not, I can also just dump from other bins into my mobile bins if necessary.

Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Dick Mahany on March 28, 2019, 01:15 PM
I use several metal drawer/storage units for most of my fasteners.  They came from Costco a number of years ago and cost around $80 for a four drawer set.  They are branded Thorsen and were originally filled with a large assortment of cheap fasteners, pins, o-rings, electrical connectors etc. most of which have been replaced with things that I'll actually use.  The boxes are removable and have carry handles and they also have rounded individual compartment bottoms for ease of fastener removal.  The down side is that they are quite heavy when filled.

I recently purchased two Festool Sys1 small parts organizers and like those also but they are on the pricey side for what they are.  I'd like to have a single system to store everything, but that isn't going to happen, so I'll just continue on with what I have.

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Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: RKA on March 28, 2019, 02:14 PM
Sortimo T boxxes.  They don't tick the budget friendly requirement, but they work well for me.  Mostly I have small quantities of a lot of different stuff, so the shallow depth in these works nicely for me.  I need a clear lid to see inside, I want the lid to seal each container so small parts don't get tossed about and I want to be able to move containers between the boxxes to reorganize as needed.  As it happens the molded side runners on the boxxes will slide over a piece of 3/4" ply perfectly, so making a cabinet for them is an easy task (for standard 3/4" hardwood you'll need to shave them down a little to make them fit).  The hard part is sorting through my "misc" bins and emptying my other bin holding boxes I've accumulated (akro and keter).

In addition to that I do have some smaller plano boxes that I use for some misc car stuff (like hose clamp assortments).  The T boxxes are too large, and typically these would stay in my mechanics tool chest or the garage anyway, so sizing a box just big enough for what it needs to hold is better.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: zapdafish on March 28, 2019, 02:44 PM

husky small parts organizer

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/323075640306_/Husky-Storage-Small-Parts-Organizer-Tool-Box-22.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: elfick on March 28, 2019, 03:02 PM
@RKA The Bosch iBoxxes were one of my finalists and I believe they are made by Sortimo. They are a way cheaper than the Festool options and are fairly available on Amazon. $35-$55 per container. The only reason I didn't go with them was that I would have to come up with my own way to carry/integrate them in a mobile situation.

@zapdafish I looked at a Husky organizer. They have a single layer organizer with like 12 bins that's only $10 and locally available from HD. The only problems I had with it was that it didn't look like it would do well with small stuff (washers and the like) or small quantities as they would require some kind of sub-divider like baggies and also the lack of integration. It was definitely the price leader in what I looked at and I may still use it for my fixed storage needs and just dump from their large bins into the smaller Festool bins.

I also considered the Allit products from Lee Valley and was close to going with them based on price.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: RKA on March 28, 2019, 03:20 PM
They absolutely don't integrate with Festool systainers, they have a larger footprint (more on that in a second) and no integrated latching which is one of the biggest drawbacks.  But you could build a small box with casters that would hold 3-4 T boxxes.  On top you could cut the recesses to accommodate a smaller footprint systainer and try to add latching to lock a systainer on top.  It's a lot of messing about for something that's expensive to begin with.  Ideally, you would keep what you need for a job/task in a single box (or rearrange in advance if needed) and just carry it solo with the briefcase style handle.  If you needed other common supplies, you keep several of these racked in a van and organized by task.  The different size bins are really great for this. 
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: SRSemenza on March 28, 2019, 04:43 PM
I use several different things. But I would say that Raaco fits for your purpose. They can easily be fixed shop, semi-mobile, mobile. The modularity makes them completely transferable and re configuring is a snap. EX- when adding in a new size of screw or what not.  I have my shop screws (except for bulk extras / refills), and my mobile screws in Raaco. I can take just a couple containers or a whole rack box. They happen to work nicely in tool box drawers too.


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I do use Plano for all sorts of misc. hardware and such. Cost wise if it could all be Raaco it would be. But I don't use or move the misc. to justify it.

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I also have some parts sorter bins for larger misc. stuff.

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Raaco makes boxes to hold smaller quantities of "compartment / containers" too. Sometimes those are good for just taking a few sizes.  And there are about twice as many size compartments available as what comes with the Tanos Racktainer. Basically every modular increment in both row and column is available.

Seth
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: elfick on March 28, 2019, 04:49 PM
@SRSemenza Which Plano model do you use?
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: SRSemenza on March 28, 2019, 09:37 PM
@SRSemenza Which Plano model do you use?

Actually the ones I have are branded for Bass Pro but made by Plano. They are the 3700 series in 2" height. With up to 48 compartments (adjustable in increments). I am not sure the exact same model is still made. But there are several in the 3700 size series with varying compartment division schemes.

I saw that Bass Pro (in store) had stacks of them on sale a couple weeks ago. I did not look closely to see if they were the exact same model. But if still on sale they were a good price at $3.99.

Seth
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Cheese on March 28, 2019, 10:46 PM
I've used Plano for years, they're cheap and readily available. The down side are they have no handles and the partitions are easily moved accidentally when removing fasteners with your clubby fingers. This results in the partitions being elevated and the fasteners being mixed up. Worse yet is when the partitions cannot be pushed down by hand because there are fasteners underneath them, the cover will not close and you then need to remove the fasteners with a tweezers to realign the partitions.

Despite these issues the Plano work well...just use a tweezers or a needle nose pliers.

I also have some Raaco style (Durham) drawers that are all metal and they are the charm. They slide into their own cabinet, have handles and they're sweet. I just can't afford them for all the fasteners I have.  [tongue]

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Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: SRSemenza on March 29, 2019, 12:08 AM
I've used Plano for years, they're cheap and readily available. The down side are they have no handles and the partitions are easily moved accidentally when removing fasteners with your clubby fingers. This results in the partitions being elevated

I keep a 3/4" x 6" long dowel with a round self adhesive magnet on the end on top of the plano rack. Makes fastener retrieval easy.  [thumbs up]

Seth
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Vondawg on March 29, 2019, 06:59 AM
darn....you guys are walking hardware stores........nice organization!
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Cheese on March 29, 2019, 10:23 AM

I keep a 3/4" x 6" long dowel with a round self adhesive magnet on the end on top of the plano rack. Makes fastener retrieval easy.  [thumbs up]


Great idea Seth...  [thumbs up]  ...one small issue, those socket head cap screws are all stainless.  [tongue]
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Sparktrician on March 29, 2019, 10:40 AM
@SRSemenza, who sells the Raaco products in the US?  I really wish that Festool hadn't discontinued the Racktainer. 
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Dick Mahany on March 29, 2019, 10:44 AM
@SRSemenza, who sells the Raaco products in the US?  I really wish that Festool hadn't discontinued the Racktainer.

@Sparktrician Lee Valley sells the Tanos version of the Racktainer if you don't mind the blue.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Cheese on March 29, 2019, 10:54 AM
MSC sells Durham and Klein products.  I have a few of the Durhams.


https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Material-Handling-Storage/Small-Parts-Storage-Drawers?searchterm=metal+storage+drawers&navid=4287923347
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: SRSemenza on March 29, 2019, 11:07 AM
@SRSemenza, who sells the Raaco products in the US?  I really wish that Festool hadn't discontinued the Racktainer.

Not the easiest to find in the USA. I know I got some through Ebay. At one point there was a USA retailer with a limited selection. I also had someone in UK buy and ship to me.

Here is the Raaco site that shows all the inserts. The 55 series is the height for the boxes that come in a Racktainer. The series number is the height in mm. Two 27s will stack to the 55 height and are the modular foot print of one of the 55 sizes. In looking at the series 55 they show ten different ones. But I am pretty sure I have more sizes than that. Maybe Raaco has reduced the options. Not sure.

https://www.raaco.com/productsgroups-1120.aspx?GroupID=Indsatse

Seth
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: rvieceli on March 29, 2019, 11:12 AM
@Sparktrician

There's a pretty good selection via Amazon though a lot of it is from a third party seller. Don't know if the prices are in line or not.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=raaco&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

Ron
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: dicktill on March 29, 2019, 11:24 AM
I strongly second the use of the Raaco units. I bought out the last of the ones Lee Valley had in '13-'14. Expen$ive, but worth it for me.

When I needed some more, I bought them from "Newark element14" (https://www.newark.com/w/search/prl/results?brand=raaco). IIRC, the shipping was expensive, but the same whether I bought one or four "quad" units; guess which way I went?

Dick
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Richard/RMW on March 29, 2019, 11:55 AM
Schaller makes/sells a version of the individual bins that are pretty reasonable.

http://www.schallercorporation.com/

Depths are sized to fit standard rolling tools bins, nominally 1"/2"/3" deep and widths nominally 1"/1.5"/2"/3"/4"/6" by varying lengths up to 12".

I recently moved my fasteners from those bins in drawers to Raaco/Plano type boxes wall mounted in cubbies similar to Seth's. I needed the floor space to cramp the welding table in. In my case I never take anything out of the shop so I opted to go cheap (still questioning that decision) and went with, uhmn... Harbor Freight:

https://www.harborfreight.com/19-bin-portable-parts-storage-case-93928.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/24-divider-storage-container-94458.html

They are OK in terms of holding the load full of screws/bolts/etc. but if I ever drop one I'm expecting a major mess. I wouldn't use them for a mobile application. 30 of the large boxes and another 8-10 of the smaller ones set me back around $300 total.

Where I'm regretting the choice is after building the cubbies I don't think I could ever justify revamping with better boxes. I could probably walk away from the $300 and replace them someday with better boxes but I don't want to take the time to rebuild the cubbies. Doing it again I would invest a couple hundred bucks more and get better boxes.

RMW

 
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Sparktrician on March 29, 2019, 01:00 PM
@SRSemenza, who sells the Raaco products in the US?  I really wish that Festool hadn't discontinued the Racktainer.

@Sparktrician Lee Valley sells the Tanos version of the Racktainer if you don't mind the blue.

@Dick Mahany, thanks for that!  I didn't think of that option.   [smile]
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: GoingMyWay on April 03, 2019, 10:59 PM
I'm late replying to the party.  I use Bosch (Sortimo) to store my small parts.  Adam Savage was my inspiration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=1OPSbF6kM9k) for initially investing in the Sortimo system (specially branded Bosch since it's easiest to get in the US).

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It is really nice to just be able to remove the individual bin of specific screws that I need rather than needing to take out the whole box.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: badtoytrd on April 07, 2019, 11:21 PM
Here is the idea I came up with. Used shelf pins and organizers from Harbor Freight. It's still a work in progress. Similar to DIY sys port and I am going to add drawers to the one for my systainers.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: kent B on April 08, 2019, 10:11 AM
 I also use the Bosch _L boxes. Buy them from CPOoutlets.
Cpo offers reconditioned L Boxes for $32.00 - $35.00 each , usually are L Boxes that have been used at trade shows - all the reconditioned items CPO sells offer 120 return policy also NO FINE print in the return policy.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: AndrewG on April 08, 2019, 06:42 PM
Anyone using sortainers to store small parts? I got a 6 drawer sortainer a little while ago but haven’t really found a use for it. I like having my screws in the Sys 1 assortment box with the coloured bins. Maybe someone can show how they use theirs to give me some inspiration!
Cheers
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: deepcreek on April 08, 2019, 08:21 PM
I've become a big fan of the Milwaukee 10 compartment deep organizer.

They stack like Systainers and the removable trays are easily reorganized.

I buy them at Home Depot for $25 each.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-10-Compartment-Red-Deep-Pro-Small-Parts-Organizer-225046/205847797

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Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Knight Woodworks on April 09, 2019, 04:43 PM
Nice Joe. Where did you get the horseshoe shaped shims?

John
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Kevin C. on April 09, 2019, 09:55 PM
In the shop and in the truck I use Dewalt and Stanley boxes with the removable inserts. In the shop, I built this so I can leave them all in drawers and not have the boxes on the bench. [attachimg=1]
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: SRSemenza on April 10, 2019, 09:40 AM
For the shims topic please follow link ---------------------->

                       http://festoolownersgroup.com/building-materials/thin-plastic-shims/


Seth
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Mark Katz on April 10, 2019, 11:39 PM
I use the Infinite Divider System by Flambeau which is sold by Lee Valley http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=32178&cat=1,43326. Several decades ago I built a 24" wide cabinet for use with bins. The inside width of the cabinet is 22 1/2" which fits two of the boxes, side by side.[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Andersrl on July 06, 2019, 06:05 PM
I built a cabinet to hold Stanley hardware containers. The cabinet is sufficiently sturdy to hold the weight and the individual containers readily slide out to carry around the shop.  There is a built in keyboard tray that doubles as a pull-out shelf when I want to take out specific hardware sizes.

Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: broseiden on July 07, 2019, 02:50 AM
Dewalt Tough System organizers -- I bought 3, ditched two of the boxes themselves but kept the modular containers, and built shelving to hold them in my trailer. The idea was that I could grab whichever fasteners / containers i needed, put them in the tough box, and they'd be spill proof, water proof etc. In reality though I never used the tough box and got rid of it as well.

Now I keep a sys-roll with a few sortainers and transfer the contents from my shelves to the sortainers as needed. I do wish I had some bigger drawers on my sys-roll as I cant even fit my Dewalt impact without removing the battery, but it's still the best method I've found so far.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: WillAdams on August 05, 2019, 02:43 PM
My needs are a bit more modest and small scale than shown thus far, so I standardized on the 18 compartment small organizers from Harbor Freight --- they're affordable enough that whenever I'm passing by, if I have time, I grab one w/ a 20% off coupon.

Since they're transparent, labeling isn't an issue, and they stack neatly enough, and mostly fit in other containers well, so have worked out (for example, I have all my archery stuff in one in an inexpensive plastic toolbox).

All of the odd containers are gradually getting pushed off to odd uses, or discarded/replaced as opportunity comes up.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Bob D. on August 06, 2019, 06:17 AM
If you're at HF don't pass up one of their small parts sorting trays, very handy.
I got one similar from somewhere (might have been Rockler)  years ago and
keep it in my parts cabinet.

https://www.harborfreight.com/easy-sorter-funnel-tray-37081.html
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: Rob Z on August 06, 2019, 10:21 AM
OP, that looks like a great solution.  I have about the same number of the larger Stanley containers, but mine just ride around the shop floor on top of two Grizzly skates (don't know the proper name-it's a piece of plywood with casters).
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: vkumar on August 06, 2019, 11:48 AM
@WillAdams please share the link to the harbor freight item

My needs are a bit more modest and small scale than shown thus far, so I standardized on the 18 compartment small organizers from Harbor Freight --- they're affordable enough that whenever I'm passing by, if I have time, I grab one w/ a 20% off coupon.

Since they're transparent, labeling isn't an issue, and they stack neatly enough, and mostly fit in other containers well, so have worked out (for example, I have all my archery stuff in one in an inexpensive plastic toolbox).

All of the odd containers are gradually getting pushed off to odd uses, or discarded/replaced as opportunity comes up.
Title: Re: How do you store parts/fasteners?
Post by: WillAdams on August 06, 2019, 12:37 PM
It's these:

https://www.harborfreight.com/18-divider-storage-container-94456.html

I find them small enough to sort pretty finely (a specific size of metric hardware for instance), but large that there isn't much overlap until I get into the larger fasteners (1/4"-20 covers 3 containers I think).