1010 vs 1400

[Don Corleone]

I'm looking at getting a Festool router. Currently I have a Bosch Colt, a Dewalt 621 plunger (2 hp) and a Dewalt 616 kit (2.25 hp). My main concern is dust extraction. I do a fair bit of hogging out (ex 3/8 deep by 3-1/2" wide by 2' long). My Dewalt plunger does fine, but the dust extraction is not the best and when hogging, I tend to get sizable chips, which clog the extraction pipe in the router. I see that the 1400 comes with a larger dust port, and I would think that would be advantageous. Any thoughts?

 

[kevin clifford]

Oneida makes a base that goes on the dewalt 616/618 and works really well when hooked to a dust extractor. It was like 35 bucks on Amazon. Not to sway you from a new router, but if you're just looking for better dust collection, that is an option.

 

[nvalinski]

Second the Oneida option if that's all you need. For the size you describe though, a 1010 should be adequate and have the benefit of being lightweight and easy to maneuver. If you are doing deeper cuts, need to move over a larger area, or just need to use 1/2" bits, then the 1400 starts to make more sense. I get the sense you are looking more at smaller routing jobs where the smaller size would be more beneficial though.

 

[Don Corleone]

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll try the Oneida. However, I'd still like to add a Festool router to my collection, for collection's sake. I'll watch for a special buy.

 

[ElectricFeet]

Peter Parfitt did a good video on the differences:

 

[Don Corleone]

You didn't post a link. Is this the vid you were referring to? One thing I learned form this vid that I didn't realize is that the 1010 only works with 6mm and 8mm collets. Not good, IMO.

 

[Rick Herrick]

This was a great video, thanks for posting it.  I really like the ratcheting feature on the 1400 but its vacuum port seems a little goofy.. I am still leaning towards the 1010 but this video is making me think about about the 1400 instead.  Not sure why the dust port on the 1010 is not circular.  I know the host still fits, just seems weird they designed it that way.

 

[ScotF]

The 1010 is my most used router of all of them. If you do not have 1/2 inch bits or need 1/2 inch, then this is one I would recommend - it is perfect for so many hand-held routing tasks and has oodles of accessories to fit, making it very versatile. The 1400 is a great router too, just bigger. It will also fit a wide range of accessories and of course, it takes 1/2 inch bits. You cannot go wrong with either one.

If you eventually want to get two routers, then a 1010 and 2200 is a great combination and would allow you to handle just about any routing task. If you only want one router, then I would steer you to the 1400 only because of the 1/2 bit capability.

 

[Cheese]

Not sure why the dust port on the 1010 is not circular.  I know the host still fits, just seems weird they designed it that way.

The dust port on a lot of earlier designed Festool tools is oval shaped. OF 1010...RAS 115...RS 2...DX 93.

Remember, if being able to center the template guide relative to the router bit is important for the work you do, only the 1010 allows that to happen. With the 1400 & 2200 you get what you get.  [smile]

 

[Stone Message]

This was a great video, thanks for posting it.  I really like the ratcheting feature on the 1400 but its vacuum port seems a little goofy.. I am still leaning towards the 1010 but this video is making me think about about the 1400 instead.  Not sure why the dust port on the 1010 is not circular.  I know the host still fits, just seems weird they designed it that way.

Hi Rick,

I have been using the OF1010 today - it is brilliant and the 1/4", 6 mm or 8mm collet choices are perfectly okay for your "go to" router. The dust collection of the 1010 is really good and better than that of the 1400 which would have been better with the 2200 style of collection.

There is no big deal about an oval dust port. The hose end fits perfectly well. I suspect it is more about the design allowing space for the hose if you are working on a flat surface.

I have now moved my 1400 to the CMS unit where it really does come into its own. The dust collection is great as in a semi static setup one is not worried about the flimsy plastic port connection. The ratchet is also a boon when bit changing on a router table.

Peter

 

[sancho57]

What Scott F said

 

[ElectricFeet]

You didn't post a link. Is this the vid you were referring to? One thing I learned form this vid that I didn't realize is that the 1010 only works with 6mm and 8mm collets. Not good, IMO.

Yes, it was. Thanks for posting it. I was on my phone and the forum didn’t like some part of it (though it left a blank space for the vid: weird).

I specifically chose the 1010 because I wanted a smaller router that would go up to 8mm. It covers most applications, though 8mm bits are sometimes a bit difficult to source.

There are a few 1/2 inch bits that I covet that won’t go in it (I’m looking at you, Whiteside Ultimate) bit so far nothing I’ve actually needed, as opposed to wanted.

It fits nicely in the CMS, too, so I’m happy.

As ever, it depends on what you need it to do.

P.s. I agree with Peter that the oval dust port is no problem: the standard Festool hose fits perfectly, once you get the knack of how to fit it (hook firmly on one side of the oval and then squash it over to the other side).

 

[Rick Herrick]

I think the 1010 is where I am going.  I am not worried about the dust port, just thought it was odd but as mentioned by Peter, the flatness of it may be helpful.  I also am having an issue with bits.  I use my Dewalt compact router a lot and the basic round over, chamfer, top/bottom flush trim bits are the ones I use the most.  Not finding them in the 8mm size so I guess I will continue with the 1/4" shanks.  Probably makes more sense to do that anyway.

 

[JayStPeter]

I would steer you away from the OF1400 as a general use router.  I find it great for some tasks and horrible for others.  I bought a Bosch kit years ago and it's still my go-to router.  Bosch sells a bunch of dust collection accessories and I've bought them all (pretty sure DeWalt has a bunch also).  Generally I can figure out a setup that works as well for DC as the OF1400.  I haven't used a 1010 and probably won't unless they add 1/2" capability to it.

 

[RussellS]

I use my Dewalt compact router a lot and the basic round over, chamfer, top/bottom flush trim bits are the ones I use the most.  Not finding them in the 8mm size so I guess I will continue with the 1/4" shanks.

Do  search on this forum for threads talking about 8mm shank router bits.  There have been many threads about where to buy these bits.  Looking at European websites and ordering from there is one answer.  Google search for 8mm router bits turns up Whiteside, Amana, Freud, CMT all making 8mm shank bits.  Again, you may have to buy them from a European seller and have them shipped to the USA because the US sellers do not carry the 8mm shank bits even though the company they represent does make them.

 

[Cypren]

Remember, if being able to center the template guide relative to the router bit is important for the work you do, only the 1010 allows that to happen. With the 1400 & 2200 you get what you get.

Given how many years this has been a known issue with the snap-in baseplates, are there really no third-party solutions to remedy this problem for the larger routers? There's the plexiglass Jasper bushing plate that works with a wide range of the more common router brands; while I know Festool routers are a much lower-volume product, I would have thought someone would have made something similar that bolts onto the 1400 by now, even if it's just a low-volume CNC'd product.

 

[JayStPeter]

Remember, if being able to center the template guide relative to the router bit is important for the work you do, only the 1010 allows that to happen. With the 1400 & 2200 you get what you get.

Given how many years this has been a known issue with the snap-in baseplates, are there really no third-party solutions to remedy this problem for the larger routers? There's the plexiglass Jasper bushing plate that works with a wide range of the more common router brands; while I know Festool routers are a much lower-volume product, I would have thought someone would have made something similar that bolts onto the 1400 by now, even if it's just a low-volume CNC'd product.

You just use the Festool adapter for screw in bushings and do what you'd do on any other router.  I haven't really found anything the 1400 can't do.  It's just got a couple significant flaws that prevent me from recommending it.  First, it has terrible balance for edge routing that's made even worse by the snap-in bushing mechanism.  Second, the depth stop turret has false stops that will eventually lead to overplunging if you use it as an incremental plunge mechanism.  I would guess the 1010 is a better router overall.

 

[xedos]

StPeter - that doesn't do anything to help with the centering on the 1400 if it's out of center from the factory.

Adding a screw in bushing adapter may allow you to use PC style bushes, but they will still be out of center with no way to adjust if the mount is out of center to begin with.

 

[JayStPeter]

StPeter - that doesn't do anything to help with the centering on the 1400 if it's out of center from the factory.

Adding a screw in bushing adapter may allow you to use PC style bushes, but they will still be out of center with no way to adjust if the mount is out of center to begin with.

My bushings move around on the adapter enough that I can get them centered.  It's not like the thing is off by inches.

 

[Cheese]

I use my Dewalt compact router a lot and the basic round over, chamfer, top/bottom flush trim bits are the ones I use the most.  Not finding them in the 8mm size so I guess I will continue with the 1/4" shanks. 

Here are some nice 8 mm bits from Festool USA and all of them have replaceable carbide inserts.

Radius bits;    499811, 499810, 499809 & 499808.
45º chamfer bit;    499807
Flush trim bit with bearing;    491082