8mm compared to 1/2" router bits

wilburpan

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In the many OF 1010/1400 router threads that I've read, it's often stated that the 8mm router bits are much better than 1/4" router bits due to the increased diameter.  I find that easy to believe.

But if that's the case, then having a 1/2" router bit would be even better than an 8mm router bit, but I haven't seen much discussion about how much difference there is in performance between those two families of router bits.

How much of an improvement would a 1/2" router bit be over an 8mm router bit?  Folks here have made statements like, "I would never use a 1/4" router bit -- 8mm all the way!"  Would anyone make a similar statement with 8mm vs. 1/2" router bits?
 
I think each size has its own merits.  The 8mm bits fit smaller, lighter routers like the OF1010 that won't take 1/2" bits.  Smaller diameter bits don't need a large shaft and router to drive them.

The volume of metal increases by a factor of pi as the diameter increases.  More metal in the shaft helps sink heat away from the cutting edge and adds rigidity and momentum.  That is not a big factor on small diameter cutters, but large ones, a big difference.
 
In the UK sizes are mostly 1/2 or 1/4 I will always buy the 1/2 inch version over the 1/4 unless its specifically for use in my 1/4" router. I think 1/4 shanks are a pain in the bum.(fanny) other side of the pond [big grin] I probably own about half a dozen 8mm
 
The volume of metal increases by a factor of pi as the diameter increases

While that's not exactly mathematically correct, the important points are very true. More metal in the shaft means more rigidity, more momentum, and more dampening - not unimportant, as the cutting force initiates a lot of vibrations, in all sorts of directions. More mass means more dampening of these forces, and more stiffness means less "give" to begin with, so the amplitude of the vibrations are smaller to start with. ( sadly enough, there is an inverse relationship between stiffness and dampening, but in the end, "more metal / mass" wins hands down ).
Less vibrations and less give mean cleaner cuts - that's a good thing.

So why don't we all use 1" shank router bits? Well, there's other trade-offs.
First of all the weight of the tool. Spinning up and spinning down a large spindle ( you want your spindle to be larger then the diameter of the toolshank from an engineering point of view ) means more energy lost in spinning up and slowing down the spindle. From an energy standpoint this may not be dramatic, but it takes time, and strain on the motor. Lots of Festool routers use an electronic braking system, very useful. But braking larger masses puts more strain on the system, burns brushes faster in universal motors ( as does spinup ) so in general should be avoided.

And while a decent mass may feel stable in you hands it will wear you down in handheld use - and besides: the larger gyroscopic forces may make it a lot less controllable, however stable it feels. Corrections are far more difficult when using a large spinning mass. Imagine a trim router with the gyroscopic force of a big 3hp router. The smaller the spinning mass, the easier it is to control. If you can't grasp this: take any router ( unplunged for safety ), spin it up in free air, and try to make figure 8's with any of the handles. The counterforces you notice are directly proportional to speed and MASS of the spinning parts.

There's also the small issue of radii. For a 1/8" straight flute bit to be of any useful length, a 1" shank would be far from optimal. For the force distribution to be optimal in the tool, the radii in the profile ( for diameter reduction ) should not be too small, otherwise the bit would be prone to breakage. Shallow bends with a large radius as well as slow tapers to overcome the diameter difference will prove stronger than acute steps with small radii. So to make a 1/8" straight bit on a 1" shank would most probably take at least 1/2" of length from the shank to the cutting part. Which means more stickout from the collet, equalling more vibration, etc, etc.
Besides, Any counterforce from a vibrating bit would not be able to counteract the enormous mass of the spinning spindle, so a "suboptimal cut" that might just be "communicated" to you by a lighter router will probably snap the bit in an instance in a heavier system, most likely ruining the workpiece.

So as simple as it may seem, there's always a tradeoff. Here in Europe, most people seem to feel that the 8mm bits are a very nice compromise for lots of bits. Whenever 8mm starts to loose it's merits, we do 12mm or 1/2", both are available. You'll be hard pressed to source any 1/4" bits around here. A long time ago, B&D have tried to spawn interest in 6mm bits ( just under 1/4" ) but it never caught on, and the idea died a merciful death (Smaller still, there's Dremel with it's 1/8" shanks).
In case the 12mm or 1/2" won't suffice: go shaper.

Regards,

Job
 
Someone needs to chime in on the other side. Okay I'll do it.

1/4" shanks router bits from reputable manufacturers work just fine.
They don't make things that injure their reputation or customers on purpose.
I can't say this extends to cheap imports so remember, you get what you pay for
(unless you've been swindled).

I've been using primarily 1/4" shank bits for over twenty years and never had
a hint of an issue with the shanks size. I prefer to use the smallest router that will
do the job so I have several trim routers that pretty much have the same (different)
bit in them all the time.

Compare the proportions of extreme bits in the two scales. A big 1/2" shank panel raising
bit and the largest diameter chamfer bit available in 1/4" shank. Pretty much the same.

Oops, forgot that the OP was asking about 8mmm bits. Obviously I think they're fine.
My only problem with 8 mm bits in the states is that there isn't much available and they're
costly and they only fit in my Festool routers. The main reason I stayed with 1/4" shank (1/2"
cost only a tiny bit more than 1/4" here) is that 1/4" bits will fit in any nearly router.
They're also smaller and lighter to store and transport.

Theoretical benefits of larger shanks are like the theoretical benefit of living in a post and beam
construction house or having a massive truck to do the grocery shopping. There is some truth to it but...
 
I have a Proxxon router which takes 1/8" shanks. It is designed for fine modelling applications...

...supposedly.

Whilst Proxxon makes some very good tools such as their chop saw, this one is real garbage. I bought a set of their bits and broke two during very light use. About the only wood this thing will cut through is balsa. It now performs a much more suitable role role in the workshop as a dust collector.

Richard.
 
RichardLeon said:
I have a Proxxon router which takes 1/8" shanks. It is designed for fine modelling applications...

...supposedly.

Whilst Proxxon makes some very good tools such as their chop saw, this one is real garbage. I bought a set of their bits and broke two during very light use. About the only wood this thing will cut through is balsa. It now performs a much more suitable role role in the workshop as a dust collector.

Richard.

Do you have it equipped with a filter?  [smile]
 
I am sure the Proxxon ships with the HEPA filter.  [laughing]

I find no issues with using quality 1/4" shank bits and have several used regularly. The 8mm shank bits really do sound like the ideal size and I would be happy if they were the only size - if available here in NA. I do have a few Festool bits and really like them. Just wish we had more companies offering them here.
 
PeterK said:
I am sure the Proxxon ships with the HEPA filter.   [laughing]

I find no issues with using quality 1/4" shank bits and have several used regularly. The 8mm shank bits really do sound like the ideal size and I would be happy if they were the only size - if available here in NA. I do have a few Festool bits and really like them. Just wish we had more companies offering them here.

That reminds me of something I keep forgetting to look up...
Does the MFK 700 accept 1/4" shanks?
 
Tom Bellemare said:
1/4" & 8mm
Tom

That versatility should make the  MFK700 a pretty ideal little router for a lot of work.  It has almost a full 1 horsepower so it should handle slightly heavier jobs.  I like how the base can be mounted in two different orientations.
 
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