Are missing and damaged parts typical? Or is it just UPS.

Brice_Arnold

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So this is more of a gripe and a curiosity about new Festool purchases. It goes against my better judgement to even post this before letting Festool take care of my problems. It's beginning to become a PITA and the lottery for problem free shipments have not been in my favor. Over the past couple of months I have made several purchases of new Festool products. Several of the packages have been delivered with damaged product or missing parts. Maybe on the order of 30% of my shipments had something wrong.

1. CT36:
  A. Damaged foot brake, fell off during unpacking, possibly UPS at fault. Has since then been repaired.

2. LR 32 Kit:
  A. New order delivered with old Systainer instead T-Loc. The systainer is usually factored into the purchase for me. This was probably a result of old inventory
  B. All three carbide bits were damaged because they came loose during shipping and bounced around in transit. The are nested in some grooves in the vacuum formed insert. This does not seem like an adequate way to ship these bits; especially when there is $130 worth of carbide floating around with a bunch steel parts. These should have been individually wrapped or had the cutting surfaces dipped in wax/paraffin.
  C. As a result of said carbide bits bouncing around the Systainer, the aluminum guid rails ended up with some dings. This is not a big deal to debur but I thought I would note it.

3. WCR 1000:
  A. Missing t-slot nut for tool hanger. Not a big deal just have to make a phone call.

4. Parallel Guide Rails:
  A. On one of the rails, the square had come loose and some hardware was lost to mount the square to the rail. another phone call.

That's it for now. Had it just been one incident, fine. But to continually have problems, is annoying. Each one warrants a call to Festool and potentially the retailer that I purchased it from. Several phone calls, a couple of e-mails, an hours worth of my time for each incident. It adds up. Some of this stuff isn't even worth the time and I would run down to the hardware store except that I am unlikely to find metric hardware at my local HD.

I could chalk it up to having poor delivery service and all my problems a result of rough handling. However, these were all shipped through different carriers.

I guess I am done , long live Festool.

I was curious though, my original reason for posting, is this typical? If I had to guess I would say no, but the numbers are high based on my personal experiences.
 
I had the same issue with my lr32 the bits no longer in the slot and floating about in the systainer.
I do think that these inserts are fine for normal day to day transport, by the owner.
But are a little lacking to withstand the rigours of shipping half way across a country.by courier

I had a delivery yesterday and the driver had to climb over the parcels to open the rear doors of the truck and several parcels fell out of the truck during this process [big grin]
 
I have had issues with the factory inserts not properly holding items for shipment. Usually just results in scuffed tools or parts but does kind of tick me off for the price paid. UPS is historically abusive! I order through Bob Marino and he really packages stuff well but not his fault if the interior stuff moves around in the Systainer. Kind of a design flaw that realy should be addressed by corporate. Think some cheap soft foam would be all that is needed.
Pete
 
I concur that some things in the systainers aren't really packed ideally for shipments.

Fortunately I haven't had issues because of this myself, but I can *very* easily see this happening...

For as great as Festool's tool engineering is, they should consider applying some of those principles to how they pack their tools, given the "hostile" shipment situations...

 
IIRC when I received the LR32 set, all the bits were in the little plastic boxes. Even if they rattled around, they wouldn't have done anything.
 
I've made of few Festool purchases over the years and only one time was an item missing.  There were plenty of dislodged item but never any damage to the contents inside.  As for the T-Loc version of tools, they have new part numbers so technically this is no fault of the dealer if you ordered the "old" part number version.  So be sure to check the part numbers before you order a new tool.
 
A couple of days ago i received a T15+3 via UPS.  One corner of the lid came damaged and the drill was not seated properly inside the tray. One of the small fasteners that stick down from the lid of the systainer had been smashing against the vent area behind the motor casing cosmetic damage to the drill.  The systainer wasn't even closed all the way, with a 1/16th inch gap in one front corner so i would assume it came packed incorrectly from the vendor instead of the drill shifting in transit.  I was surprised to see that my 2.6 batteries had belt clips though.
 
It really is a crap shoot.  Depends a lot on the driver.  The UPS driver that runs our route is pretty careful, but the FedEx guy seems to be prepping for olympic shot put.  Having said that, I still have never had a missing part.

Out of maybe 50 or so Festool orders, I have had two problems - a cracked systainer and a dented extrusion on the MFT (which was delivered by common carrier instead of UPS).  Both were replaced promptly by Festool.

Its pretty rough terrain out here, dirt roads with cavernous ruts, so I'm not too surprised.  I think Festool shipments suffer less damage than Amazon or Lee Valley, for instance.
 
Never had anything damaged or missing, but I open the box in my store to check everything before I walk out with it!
Brick and mortar, baby!
 
Brice Burrell said:
I've made of few Festool purchases over the years and only one time was an item missing.  There were plenty of dislodged item but never any damage to the contents inside.  As for the T-Loc version of tools, they have new part numbers so technically this is no fault of the dealer if you ordered the "old" part number version.  So be sure to check the part numbers before you order a new tool.

Thanks for that bit of info. I will keep that in mind.
 
William Herrold said:
Never had anything damaged or missing, but I open the box in my store to check everything before I walk out with it!
Brick and mortar, baby!

I'm a big proponent of supporting local. The nearest woodcraft (local Festool dealer) to me is a 45 min drive one way. 1-1/2 hr round trip in time, $15 in gas, and this still doesn't keep me away from woodcraft. But everytime I go in to make a purchase I usually leave empty handed. Typically it's because they don't have it in stock and sometimes it's because they are too busy BS'ing rather than trying to making a sale. Either way I end up on Amazon 90% of the time and get it delivered to my doorstep within a couple of days.
 
Don't recall ever having any damage issues with Festool deliveries. Even my 3000mm guide rail arrived undamaged (truck freight).

On the other hand, how hard did UPS have to drop my Benchcrafted tail vise to do this?

Ed
 
I'm with Brice on local dealers.  There are two near me and frankly both could care less about selling Festools.  Stock on hand is old and low, they don't have any tools in the new TLocs for example if they used to come in the old systainers.  They're simply not helpful either in my experiences. 

I've ordered online for both of my Festools, TS55 and a Sander.  Sander arrived great no problems at all.  The TS55 I had several problems similar to Brice.  First saw was in an old systainer, and had obviously been used was not new.  The guide rail arrived damaged with the slot bent and packaged horribly, open to the air on one end.  Festool was beyond amazing at fixing the issues and the replacements have been fantastic but the replacement guide rail also arrived with the package open to the air on the end.
 
EvilNuff said:
I'm with Brice on local dealers.  There are two near me and frankly both could care less about selling Festools.  Stock on hand is old and low, they don't have any tools in the new TLocs for example if they used to come in the old systainers.  They're simply not helpful either in my experiences. 

I've ordered online for both of my Festools, TS55 and a Sander.  Sander arrived great no problems at all.  The TS55 I had several problems similar to Brice.  First saw was in an old systainer, and had obviously been used was not new.  The guide rail arrived damaged with the slot bent and packaged horribly, open to the air on one end.  Festool was beyond amazing at fixing the issues and the replacements have been fantastic but the replacement guide rail also arrived with the package open to the air on the end.

Aren't you close enough to Tom Bellemare?
 
Ken Nagrod said:
Aren't you close enough to Tom Bellemare?

Sorry, I don't know who that is?  I'm in the Dallas area.

Edit: Ahh, no Austin's about 4 hours away.
 
EvilNuff said:
Ken Nagrod said:
Aren't you close enough to Tom Bellemare?

Sorry, I don't know who that is?  I'm in the Dallas area.

Edit: Ahh, no Austin's about 4 hours away.

You can still order online/over the phone with him and have stuff the next business day, I'm sure.  He's one of our very reliable dealers on the FOG.
 
I have never had an issue with items purchased from Bob Marino. I do not know where the line is between properly packed and over-packed but I am thinking Bob is real close to it! :)
 
FWIW, I recieved all replacement bits from Festool last night, as expected. They were very helpful. With the LR 32 kit, I returned this to Amazon and reordered it from ToolNut. I requested that they pack the bits individual so as to prevent damage during shipping. I have yet to receive the package. I have been buying alot of festool products from ToolNut lately and they have been very helpful. Their customer service is on par if not superior to that of Festool. They always follow up with e-mails and typically respond to my e-mails with in a couple of hours if not sooner. Even though they are on the other side of the country I think they have become  my default goto guys for festool products based purely on the quality of customer service that I have received from them.
 
I've had *the same parts* missing or loose from TWO MFT/3s.  One was shipped to me by, I think, FedEx; the other was picked up from my dealer.  In the former case the box was pretty banged up and the parts may have slipped through holes in the box.

The second, the box and all seals were intact and so I assume the parts were missing as shipped from Festool.  Every Festool I've bought used and had shipped, however, has always been intact.  Go figure.

 
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