Asbestos siding
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Actually, the EPA eid ban asbestos use in building materials but was overturned by the courts. If the information in this link is accurate, asbestos can still be used and may still be used in shingles. Asbestos end Date?
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Your house? A customer?
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Cheaper brake pad material is asbestos lined. Off topic, but go with semi-metallic. Ceramic is mainly for racing where brake temps will stay very high.
So, yes, asbestos is still used in products today.
So, yes, asbestos is still used in products today.
Peter Halle said:
Mine. I was hoping to play the 'blind eye' game regarding disposal. You know, "it can't be asbestos cuz this house was built in 19XX. Guess I will just hoard the stuff until another/different option presents itself. Here in NH (I don't know about the requirements of anyplace else) disposal can be a PITA, but there is another 'loophole' I can use later, when that time for that comes.
harry_ said:
asbestos was supposed to not be used in fireproofing after the mid 1970's, but
fireproofing contractors were still mixing small amounts of it into the monocote untill the early 1980's.
the reason is that it helped the product stick better, so there was a shovelfull tossed in every so often
for that reason.
in the 60's there was a power plant right behind LAX, that went up with a corrugated siding
on it, three stories tall and a block long..... and the thing is 1/4" solid asbestos sheeting.
so, playing dumb won't work. sorry.....
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I recently had my plaster tested (mailed some samples), even though I had at first attempted to talk myself into believing that there wouldn't be any due to the vintage, etc. Same lines along which you are thinking. Definitely worth the fee to know for sure what you are dealing with (I lucked out). If you can remove the material without breaking it up, you'll be at essentially no risk. If you do break it up, but are wearing a proper respirator, I'd think your risk would be very low considering that you'd be outside. Then it's more a question of the neighbors etc. From the flurry of reading up on the stuff that I did recently I've concluded that while it is a risk to take seriously, the nature and severity of the risk is distorted in the public mind.
Jesse Haifley said:
No, I definitely do not want this stuff tested, verification is the last thing I want. I just bought this place a few weeks ago and there was no reference to the 'a-word' in any of the disclosures. There is a HUGE difference in knowing something to be true and KNOWING something to be true. I prefer just knowing.
This is exterior 'clap board' siding, roughly 4' long by 1' tall. It could almost pass off as hardi-plank except it is harder and more brittle and without question, born well before hardi-plank. It has been painted and then had vinyl siding over it. I have been doing pretty good at getting the stuff off 'as hung'. Meaning not turning the piece I am taking down it into a dozen. How the siding guy managed to not turn the stuff to crumbs during installation is beyond me. Considering the overall quality of the siding job, I have a hard time imagining him drilling for each nail but he must have.
New Hampshire has a few other 'legal' disposal techniques that I will probably go with. Legal, in that it is legal for the disposal of other things that will not contaminate groundwater. The rules here for asbestos disposal do not specifically prohibit them.
I am not particularly concerned about my personal health risks from the removal. As for my neighbors, heh, what neighbors? [laughing]
I also concur "that while it is a risk to take seriously, the nature and severity of the risk is distorted in the public mind". In my perspective, grossly so, thanks to the likes/ilk of Sokolove & associates and other mesothelioma ambulance chasers.
In Holland, since 1993 the use all types of asbestos is forbidden. The removal of asbestos has to be done by certified companies and can be quite expensive. But anybody who finds asbestos is required to report this to the authorities. We had an asbestos factory in Holland that gave away broken pieces of asbestos to local farmers to improve road. So there is still a lot of asbestos in rural areas in the ground.
My father worked in a factory were during the war the Germans forced the company to produce certain products. Among them were asbestos bushings and rings. About 25 years later my father died from the results of being exposed to asbestos fibres.
That is why we in Holland (and other countries in Europe) are so strict about asbestos. In Holland still 1600 die each year from asbestos related cases. That is 0.01% of our population.
My father worked in a factory were during the war the Germans forced the company to produce certain products. Among them were asbestos bushings and rings. About 25 years later my father died from the results of being exposed to asbestos fibres.
That is why we in Holland (and other countries in Europe) are so strict about asbestos. In Holland still 1600 die each year from asbestos related cases. That is 0.01% of our population.
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Wim said:
Never heard about the obligation to report it to the authorities. And if it's not a professional job, you are allowed to remove asbestos yourself and bring it to the local garbage disposal company.
Alex said:
You better check with the authorities before you try anything with asbestos. Only with certain products (vinyl tiles etc.) yoy are allowed to remove it yourself but under very strict rules. It has to be bagged and brought to a dump, specified by the city. But we are getting very off-topic.
Here in NH, the homeowner can take the stuff down him/her self. Proper PPE is encouraged as is the use of water to assist in keeping the dust down. IF the stuff leaves the property for disposal, it must be bagged & tagged, and the dump/landfill be notified 24 hours in advance so that a hole can be prepared 'just for you', which then must be IMMEDIATELY covered with a minimum of 30" dirt.
I really should just call around to find out what landfills will accept it. General dumpster rates here run ~$90/ton and although it doesn't take many pieces for a bundle to begin to get heavy, I don't see myself as having a literal ton of it. It is more a question of how far will I have to drive to get rid of the stuff and what the charge will be to dig the hole "just for me".
.... just me being cheap [laughing]
I really should just call around to find out what landfills will accept it. General dumpster rates here run ~$90/ton and although it doesn't take many pieces for a bundle to begin to get heavy, I don't see myself as having a literal ton of it. It is more a question of how far will I have to drive to get rid of the stuff and what the charge will be to dig the hole "just for me".
.... just me being cheap [laughing]