Base cabinet question

[rnt80]

I started on a small galley kitchen this week and all of the base cabinets are going to get two pull out drawers.  The kitchen is replacing one that is 30+ years old and the homeowners/customers had installed pull outs in the old kitchen a few years back.  They were adamant about adding them again.  Do I bother drilling for shelf supports in the base cabinets?  it seems like a huge waste of time since they have no desire for shelves and will be in that house for another 30 years.

 

[tjbnwi]

I would not drill the sides.

I would most definitely use these, they work very well;

http://www.tenntex.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=4

Tom

 

[tiralie]

Do I bother drilling for shelf supports in the base cabinets? 

Nope, waste of time.
Personally I like pull out drawers, too much stuff gets pushed to the back of cabinets. Depending on what they are putting on them (heavy canned goods etc.), Some clients can overload them so you may want to look into your clients usage and type of slides appropriate for the weight.
Tim

 

[live4ever]

Just curious - why do people even want pull-outs anymore as opposed to regular large drawers?  We recently redid our kitchen and opted for mostly drawers on the base cabs.  Aesthetically pleasing, very functional.  Just seems pull-outs are more cumbersome.  

Sorry for the random question - I'm just curious what customers' thinking is on that.

 

[jtparrothead]

Just curious - why do people even want pull-outs anymore as opposed to regular large drawers?  We recently redid our kitchen and opted for mostly drawers on the base cabs.  Aesthetically pleasing, very functional.  Just seems pull-outs are more cumbersome.  

Sorry for the random question - I'm just curious what customers' thinking is on that.

I think its an issue of how people think its supposed to be. Most customers of mine just assume you put pullouts in and dont think to add more drawers. during my initial consults I usually try to sell customers on more drawer space from an efficency and organizational standpoint, and they tend to be pretty receptive once the idea is presented to them.

 

[rnt80]

Thanks for the affirmation...I knew it would be ridiculous to drill for shelves knowing they would never be used.
I tried going the drawer route with them but they wanted the standard drawer over doors look.

 

[Brice Burrell]

If the cabinets are frameless I'd drill the holes.  This can be used to make the slides adjustable or for shelves.  I drill the front and back set of hole for the slides with the LR32, then once the client decides on locations for the trays I'll add a few more holes/screws with a drill.

I would not drill the sides.

I would most definitely use these, they work very well;

http://www.tenntex.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=4

Tom

These look to be way simpler for face frame cabinets than the what I've used in the past.  The ones I've used were metal and you needed to shim them out for ff cabinets.

Just curious - why do people even want pull-outs anymore as opposed to regular large drawers?  We recently redid our kitchen and opted for mostly drawers on the base cabs.  Aesthetically pleasing, very functional.  Just seems pull-outs are more cumbersome.  

Sorry for the random question - I'm just curious what customers' thinking is on that.

I don't like the look of a bunch of cabinets that are all drawer bases.  They look too busy to my eye.  I completely agree they are more functional, but kinda ugly.

 

[mastercabman]

If the cabinets are frameless I'd drill the holes.  This can be used to make the slides adjustable or for shelves.  I drill the front and back set of hole for the slides with the LR32, then once the client decides on locations for the trays I'll add a few more holes/screws with a drill.

Keep in mind that if you do go with frameless,you will need a spacer to keep the drawer from hitting the door/hinge.

 

[Distinctive Interiors]

Brice,

Do you really think this is "kinda ugly" ?

http://www.stoermer-kuechen.de/en/r2850-madrid.shtml

 

[Jonhilgen]

Dont waste your time.  If they want shelves in ten years, they can call you to come modify the cabinets.
As far as the tenntex, I've installed cabinets that had these installed and they were garbage imho.  They have service calls written all over them (and I have had to service them multiple times).

Drawers are more functional, but the client is always right.

Jon

 

[tjbnwi]

Brice,

The Ten Tex system works very well on euro cabinets. Use the shallowest profile. I recommend the door bumpers. The one real large advantage to the system, is you can add many more rolling shelves than drawers.

I have installed the Tenn Tex system in a couple of hundred base cabinets. Not a single call back. I use the side mount slides or the Blum undermounts.

John,

What types of problems? Are you sure they were Tenn-Tex and not a knock off?

I see nothing that can go wrong with the system, they are just shelf standards with dogs.

If you check the link in my sig line you will see I use rollouts often.

Tom

 

[Brice Burrell]

Brice,

Do you really think this is "kinda ugly" ?

http://www.stoermer-kuechen.de/en/r2850-madrid.shtml

I don't like them.  I do suppose they are a contemporary aesthetic some might find appealing.  Most houses I work on aren't contemporary and when they add a contemporary kitchen it dosen't always work.

 

[Scott B.]

We are working currently on a project where the wraparound pantry has pullout drawers behind traditional doors, which I guess is intended to meet both functional and aesthetic criteria. I can tell you that for the carpenters and painters involved in finishing the room, it is a pain right square in the ace.

 

[semenza]

One advantage to pull-outs over drawers is that pull-outs can be made to be adjustable in height  like a shelf. Which lends itself to the customer being able to tailor the base cabinet or pantry unit  for  storing something tall / short or in between and changing as needed.  Sort of like the way a Sysport works.

Seth