Centering Template Guides to Collet in 1400 Router

Bob MN

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I want to use my 1400 Router with my Leigh D4 Dovetail jig. One issue I'm having is getting the collet perfectly aligned with the template guide that I install in the router. When I install the router bit there is an unequal gap in the opening between the bit and the edge of the template guide. I know Bosch has a Centering Cone that can be used to align the collet with the template guide by adjusting the router base. Is there such a tool I can use for my 1400 router? OR Is there a way to do it, that I'm not figuring out.

Thanks,
Bob
 
Bob,
  A lot of the bit and tool manufactures make centering bits. I find it easier to get a straight bit that is near the size of the guides you have installed and center by eye.
  Festool also sells a "centering mandrel" which will do what you want to do but only in 8mm and 1/4" size. It is prod number 492 187 $22.

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Thanks for the info John.

Now the next question. How do I adjust the template guide or router base to align the collet and the template guide. My Bosch is easy, I just loosen the screws on the base and align it. I can't figure out my 1400. And it needs to be aligned cause it aint even close  :(
 
Bump.

Seems like this should be an easy one, but I can't find anything in Rick's manual and, as you say, there's no apparent way to do it.  I haven't had a need to use a template guide, but this seems like a pretty important issue. 

If you get no help here, maybe you should email Festool tech support.  I'd be curious to see what they say.

 
Ben West said:
.......If you get no help here, maybe you should email Festool tech support.  I'd be curious to see what they say.

Well that is what they are there for, give them a call and let us know what they tell you.
 
Last month I discussed this issue with a Festool representative at a demonstration at Hartville Tool because my 1400 router has the same issue.  I could not get the PC style bushing supplied with Whiteside's inlay kit to center.  My "fudge" was to mark the base of the 1400, the Festool PC bushing adapter and the Whitside bushing ring so I could reassemble them in the same relative position for any future use.  Then I judiciously filed the Whiteside bushing adapter so the centering mandrel supplied with the Whiteside inlay kit was fairly close to centered.  The Festool demonstration representative dissassembled the base of his 1400 router and confirmed that the aluminum insert into which the Festool bushing adapters can be pushed in to mount and lock was not adjustable except by removing its mounting screws and locating pins and enlarging some of the holes to enable repositioning that aluminum mounting ring relative to the base of the router.  I later contacted Festool's factory service representative who confirmed that centering accuracy was traded for speed and convenience in the design of the 1400 bushing ring mounting system, and that owner modification of the tool would be necessary improvement the alignment because Festool did not consider this a defect.  I tend to disagree, because I do not understand why Festool would go to the additional expense of adding those alignment pins if the parts were not going to be precision aligned; use of the screw holes would be good enough, and arguably better for the person willing to adjust the position of the aluminum mounting ring using a centering device.

I have not tried to modify my router yet, and I suspect each Festool snap-in bushing will have its own misalignment, thus centering for a particular PC or other style or size adapter may exacerbate the misalignment when a different snap-in adapter ring is used.

Maybe someone with more influence at Festool can get a more detailed response from them on this issue.  I note that my Whiteside PC adapter ring was machined with a thread OD so large it would barely fit through the aperture in the PC adapter ring supplied with mzy 1400, which gave me plenty of material to file away to enable moving the center of the Whitside ring relative to the Festool PC adapter ring.  In contrast, every membr of a set of brass PC bushing rings I purchased at Woodcraft is a relativelz sloppy fit in the PC adapter ring, thus allowing the movement needed to center the bushing relative to the shaft of the router.

Dave R.
 
  Thanks Dave, I knew you had this same issue. I'm with you, in my book, this is a defect! I would have expected more from Festool to resolve this issue.  :( Thanks again for sharing.

P.S. My 1400 seems to be centered.
 
I also agree that this is a defect. This has to be fixed. Part of the deal with paying a premium price for a tool. It better do what I need it to do. I can align my $200 Bosch, but I can't align my $400 Festool? That aint right.
 
Hi all,

From my experience the issue is not with how accurately centered the Festool bases are, only how sloppy the aftermarket screw in things are going into the hole in the Festool base which is designed to receive add on guide bushings.  Those screw in things don't stay tight and vibrate loose in use.  Once they do they go off center which can raise cain with your work.  I tore my hair out with the poorly fitting insert supplied by Leigh to use the Festool routers with their DT jigs.  I finally dedicated one base for use with the Leigh jig and glued the screw on insert in place aligned with a centering mandrel.  That worked well and I do the same thing any time I have to use those awful cheap made in China screw on guide bushings that are machined under sized or which themselves are not round.  The ones that are made by quality firms are usually machined the correct size, do fit well and stay properly centered.  Fortunately I use the Festool guide bushings whenever I can as they are centered and very true.

Jerry

 I note that my Whiteside PC adapter ring was machined with a thread OD so large it would barely fit through the aperture in the PC adapter ring supplied with mzy 1400, which gave me plenty of material to file away to enable moving the center of the Whitside ring relative to the Festool PC adapter ring.  In contrast, every membr of a set of brass PC bushing rings I purchased at Woodcraft is a relativelz sloppy fit in the PC adapter ring, thus allowing the movement needed to center the bushing relative to the shaft of the router.

Dave R.
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Lancashire Fusilier said:
Ben West said:
...but I can't find anything in Rick's manual and...

Could you tell me / pass me a link to this manual please?

Forrest Anderson has compiled an awesome list of online Festool information in this Consolidated List of Festool Links post.  The link to the OF1400 manual written by Rick Christopherson is in this post -- aka "OF1400 Official Manual."
 
I've recently bought an akeda dovetail jig and have been using it with my 1400.  The akeda also uses a 7/16in guide bushing.  I don't see a way of centering the guide bushing on the 1400.  Mine seems to be centered because I'm getting good results.  My problem with the 1400 is that its not very stable on the akeda guide rails when your close to left of right edge.  Worse is that I cant see what I'm doing because the template guide is metal and limits visibility.  Another note is that my 7/16 in guide bushing from Whiteside and Akeda are perfectly sized and fit snugly in the template guide.

Amazon had a PC 690LR on sale for 95$ so I went ahead and bought that.  I also bought a Pat Warner offset base.  This configuration solved all my issues.  The offset base is very stable on the akeda guides and its clear so visibility is good.  The offset base is also very easily centered usning a centering mandrel.  I might get a second PC so I dont need to change bits.

Because the akeda has excellent dust collection, I dont think the 1400 is a good choice for akeda dovetail jig and will use the PC 690 from now on.

~mark
 
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