lordinteriors
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which is the best centrotec systainer and is there a new one coming out pics if you got em guys
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AlexThePalex
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I think the 2008 set is the best value for your money. Then the 2007. The 2009 set is a complete waste imho.
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Redfox said:
Correctly explaining the differences between all sets is quite an endeavour. The only way to truly see the differences is to list the parts lists. Forrest Anderson has listed the contents of some sets in a post somewhere here in the forum.
The sets are the same on some basic points, they have a set of metal drill bits, wood drill bits, the BH60 magnetic bitholder, and a huge load of screw bits (far too much in my opinion). The differences in the sets are the added extras, like an extra long bitholder in one and a centering drill bit in another or drill bit with counter sink, or the completely useless socket wrench set of the 2009 set.
All in all I'm not a fan of the assorted centrotec sets. I prefer to buy all my centrotec stuff separately so I only buy what I specifically need and don't pay for a lot of extras I'm not gonna use.
Btw, there's not just these three sets, I know of two others too. I'm still planning an extended review of the centrotec system and sets, but I never seem to get around to it.
Redfox said:
I hope they make a more sensible assortment for 2010 then they did until now. But I mostly hope they add new centrotec elements to the line up, which is still kind of select.
Hi Alex,
I just got the 2009 edititon, and found the socket set to be rather useless too. Too few teeth inside, and not the parts I would need anyway. Like the rest of the kit though, but I need to adjust it, to include more relevant items, instead of the socket set.
I prefer much more complete 1/4", a 3/8" and a 1/2" sets in far better quality, which I also use not only for remodeling/woodwork but also fore restoring old Italian motorcycles. You don't use not top quality socket sets for those, as you will have a hard time finding a new special bit, that may be ruined by a lesser quality socket set.
Anyway, I like the centrotec-sets, but would have preferred a 2008 version, as it seems more relevant to me. But they are hard to find. So I got the 2009 with a drill as well in a limited offer. The drills seems to be nice though, but since I just got it, I haven't tried it out yet (a funeral came up).
Cheers,
Redfox.
I just got the 2009 edititon, and found the socket set to be rather useless too. Too few teeth inside, and not the parts I would need anyway. Like the rest of the kit though, but I need to adjust it, to include more relevant items, instead of the socket set.
I prefer much more complete 1/4", a 3/8" and a 1/2" sets in far better quality, which I also use not only for remodeling/woodwork but also fore restoring old Italian motorcycles. You don't use not top quality socket sets for those, as you will have a hard time finding a new special bit, that may be ruined by a lesser quality socket set.
Anyway, I like the centrotec-sets, but would have preferred a 2008 version, as it seems more relevant to me. But they are hard to find. So I got the 2009 with a drill as well in a limited offer. The drills seems to be nice though, but since I just got it, I haven't tried it out yet (a funeral came up).
Cheers,
Redfox.
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Here's my take on the 08 and 09 sets.
I do not have an 08 set but have looked into it extensively. I also checked it out in Lebanon first hand. If I could get one at a reasonable price, I 'might' buy one. The 08 set is an amazing and somewhat insane amount of stuff. The consensus during training class (from my recollection) was that the 08 set could easily have less stuff to bring the price down, still be great and sell like hot cakes. If you are the type that goes through a lot of drill and driver bits the 08 set is probably the way to go.
I go through saw blades like crazy. Drill and driver bits I'm fairly conservative on, so I see the 08 set as a bit of overkill for me.
I have the 09 set and am 'fairly' happy with it. I can't quite agree with others on it's function. It is only 'almost' useless. From a woodworker or contractor point of view it is pretty much useless. From an installer or light user point of view it's a fairly decent set.
As a contractor on a jobsite, not sure I would even bring it with. I do a fair amount of technical/detailed type installs. Having the 09 set in a compact Sys 1 has turned out to be quite handy. If you do more technical type stuff and don't burn through bits, the 09 set isn't a bad option. I have used the socket set and toolie for working on my BMW K12 and a Franke faucet. The socket set seems good for small stuff but nothing substantial.
I'll email a dealer I've had contact with in Germany and see if he knows anything about a 10 set.
Good luck, Markus
I do not have an 08 set but have looked into it extensively. I also checked it out in Lebanon first hand. If I could get one at a reasonable price, I 'might' buy one. The 08 set is an amazing and somewhat insane amount of stuff. The consensus during training class (from my recollection) was that the 08 set could easily have less stuff to bring the price down, still be great and sell like hot cakes. If you are the type that goes through a lot of drill and driver bits the 08 set is probably the way to go.
I go through saw blades like crazy. Drill and driver bits I'm fairly conservative on, so I see the 08 set as a bit of overkill for me.
I have the 09 set and am 'fairly' happy with it. I can't quite agree with others on it's function. It is only 'almost' useless. From a woodworker or contractor point of view it is pretty much useless. From an installer or light user point of view it's a fairly decent set.
As a contractor on a jobsite, not sure I would even bring it with. I do a fair amount of technical/detailed type installs. Having the 09 set in a compact Sys 1 has turned out to be quite handy. If you do more technical type stuff and don't burn through bits, the 09 set isn't a bad option. I have used the socket set and toolie for working on my BMW K12 and a Franke faucet. The socket set seems good for small stuff but nothing substantial.
I'll email a dealer I've had contact with in Germany and see if he knows anything about a 10 set.
Good luck, Markus
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I emailed my dealer in Germany. I probably won't hear back for a couple days but will post what I find out.
I have the 08 set, and find I use the bits with the handle quite a lot. Stuff I didn't like about is the amount of regular bits, I prefer having just a few of the highquality bits (like the wera diamant ones), but those would add even more to the cost. The magnetic collar wasn't as usefull as I expected.
The O8 set came without the bitholder with the locking collar, but it had 2 of the normal ones (and I already got one with my drill)
After I got the 08 set, I also ordered the protool centrotec systainer. This set has shorter centrotec bits, (according to the protool rep, they were better suited for the high torque of the 18V drill, but I just like them because they take less room to use with the right-angle chuck); longer bradpoint tip wood drills (but still fairly short). It did came with the bhs65 bitholder, and a bunch of trays to put in the atticstorage of the drillsytainer.
The O8 set came without the bitholder with the locking collar, but it had 2 of the normal ones (and I already got one with my drill)
After I got the 08 set, I also ordered the protool centrotec systainer. This set has shorter centrotec bits, (according to the protool rep, they were better suited for the high torque of the 18V drill, but I just like them because they take less room to use with the right-angle chuck); longer bradpoint tip wood drills (but still fairly short). It did came with the bhs65 bitholder, and a bunch of trays to put in the atticstorage of the drillsytainer.
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Is it just me or does the Protool centrotec set look a better set up than the Festool 09?
I appreciate this post may be considered "heresy" but having seen the Festool 09 set at my local dealer there was too much stuff I wouldn't use and not enough of what I would.
Are these Protool sets available in the UK does anyone know?
I appreciate this post may be considered "heresy" but having seen the Festool 09 set at my local dealer there was too much stuff I wouldn't use and not enough of what I would.
Are these Protool sets available in the UK does anyone know?
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Guy Ashley said:
Protool availability in the UK has been discussed before, and it seems that it depends on which dealer you talk to.
Some appear to say they can get Protool stuff, others say they've heard of it but have never seen any, and others just give you a blank look!
Might be worth phoning round some dealers.
Forrest
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I like the look of that Protool set, I want one. Hey Festool USA, throw this set in a Festool Systainer and get then over here.
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I'll take the Protool set in a heartbeat...
I second that motion! Bring it over.
I have been bitten by the Festool bug. I am going to call the Amex Concierge people and see what they can do for me to make this happen and at what cost. I called them once for a friend who wanted a completely out of stock toy for Christmas. They found it but.... it was at a premium of course...
I have been bitten by the Festool bug. I am going to call the Amex Concierge people and see what they can do for me to make this happen and at what cost. I called them once for a friend who wanted a completely out of stock toy for Christmas. They found it but.... it was at a premium of course...
Weird, I wanted to find the set I got on the protool website (because I forgot how much it had cost me) but, allthough they still have the picture of it, linking to the accessories page, they don't mention it anywhere else anymore, so I think it's discontinued. (I checked both the dutch and the german protool site)
I live in Belgium aproximately 2 km from the Dutch border, and do most of my tool-shopping in the Netherlands. Protool stuff is readily available in Holland but not so in Belgium. In Belgium it is not distributed by the Belgian part of Tooltechnic, so the toolpoints I would get for the protool machines I buy, are not credited to my tools for profit account. (The credit system they have in some countries, where you get a voucher at the end of each year depending on how much stuff you have bought in the past year)
I think they have a contract with another company that they are the exclusive distributor for Belgium, because I did find websites of Belgian toolstores that sell protool stuff (none near me though).
I haven't met a Belgian festool rep yet, but one of the Dutch guys I meet occasionally told me it was something like that, and that "they were working on it".
There might be a similar situation in the UK.
I live in Belgium aproximately 2 km from the Dutch border, and do most of my tool-shopping in the Netherlands. Protool stuff is readily available in Holland but not so in Belgium. In Belgium it is not distributed by the Belgian part of Tooltechnic, so the toolpoints I would get for the protool machines I buy, are not credited to my tools for profit account. (The credit system they have in some countries, where you get a voucher at the end of each year depending on how much stuff you have bought in the past year)
I think they have a contract with another company that they are the exclusive distributor for Belgium, because I did find websites of Belgian toolstores that sell protool stuff (none near me though).
I haven't met a Belgian festool rep yet, but one of the Dutch guys I meet occasionally told me it was something like that, and that "they were working on it".
There might be a similar situation in the UK.
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If you check the Dutch and German eBay sites you'll find plenty of dealers who ship to almost every country in the western world. The Protool centrotec set is still easy to find there.
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Got an email back from my German dealer this morning. Says he contacted Festool and they told him, no plans for a 2010 centrotec sys. Too bad. He's looking into a Protool set for me.
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Holzhacker said:
Markus, just because Germany has no plans to offer a Centrotec Set does not mean that we (US/Canada) may not have one. We've heard the requests for one and have plans to offer one, I don't have any definitive information on a time frame.
I think that Festool faces a big issue - dealing with the number of possible combinations that customers could want. Any CentroTec set will have to overcome this.Shane Holland said:
There are two issues with a complete CentroTec set (driver bits, drill bits, chucks, etc.). The first issue is that many of us have the "components" already. I already have all of the chucks, most of the driver bits, and many of the drill bits. We'd be spending money on components we don't need.
The second issue is actually a statistical issue. A "set" (any set of anything) usually has the components that an "average" person would need. However, when there are a lot of possible components, there is no such thing as an "average" set. The correct statistic is "mode" or more precisely "multi-modal". I.e. the stuff that I use all the time may not be what you use. For example, I use mostly imperial sized drill bits, but I also have a set of Metric Festool drill bits (nice bits). I also have almost all types of drive bits in both wire and ball-detent, but I purposely use Torx and square drive bits whenever possible. But that's just me. I don't want to buy a set that includes what I don't need and has no space for the things I do need. That makes it heavier and wastes money. Ultimately a packaged set doesn't meet my needs.
Now add another factor - the expansion of Festool's battery-powered product set. There are multiple drills and a new battery jigsaw. What kind of parts and accessories do you need? How many battery chargers do you need? How many batteries do you need? What are your transport and storage needs? The number of possible combinations of customer needs skyrockets.
I understand the marketing issues. Marketing folks like to package things for the average person (or maybe a few "average" people). This makes sense given the logistical difficulties in promotion, distribution, and pricing piece parts. And warehousing and retail stocking of piece parts is a pain.
However, what makes sense from a marketing logistics perspective doesn't make sense for me. So, how should Festool address this? I'd suggest that Festool offer:
1) Battery powered tools sold in a Systainer for the tool and key accessories ONLY. I.e. include space for drill chucks or Jigsaw sole plates, but don't waste space for a charger and batteries. Include limited space for a few piece parts - a few bits and blades. (This is what I want for the new C15 and Carvex.)
2) A charger + battery package WITHOUT Systainer. (I would buy this.)
3) A charger/battery Systainer ONLY. It would have plenty of space to hold a charger and 3-4 batteries, but NOT the battery or charger. Some users would buy this and others would not, but they have the choice. (I have no need and would NOT buy this.)
4) A CentroTec-like Systainer ONLY. It would include some flexible space for things like long ball-detent bits and jig saw blades. This would allow users to store and transport a large number of piece parts that THEY need. (I would buy this NOW!)
5) A CentroTec bit set WITHOUT Systainer. (I already have the pieces I need and would NOT buy this.)
From other posts on FOG, it looks like some of this may be occurring. I think that Festool should extend the concept.
Regards,
Dan.
