CMS-OF unit

[hrrb]

Sorry for my very very late reply!  [embarassed] [embarassed]

I've been offline for a long time.

I didnt buy any part from festool for fitting the CMS in the table. I just used my router and the MFS template with various router bits and a sharp chisel for the corners.

Hope the pictures below explains

Kind regards Henrik

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[hrrb]

..oh! by the way!

The CMS units for my TS55 circ saw and my Trion jig saw also fit in the table.

Kind regards
Henrik

 

[nachtwacht]

Thanks Henrik,

thats why I did not get it when John was answering. I was looking at your pictures and thought I recognized the CMS module. Sorry for the confusion John.

But I clearly see your routing work. That must be extremely spot on to make sure the hight is 100% correct... but it is a very neat solution. One that would also look very good on an MFT, wich is roughly what I want to do, I want to get a new table without holes and also include Tslots etc.

Thanks for the pictures. As usualy, worth a thousand words ! Now lets hope I can duplicate it

 

[Mr Handyman]

Very nice solutions to the CMS problems that arise. Can only agree on the problem with the fine adjuster for the infeed table, it is not even particularly useful when using it for planing/jointing, so what is the original thought behind it? Is it for the old spindle moulder/ shaper-like accesories for the old Basis, i.e. the cutter blocks?

Anyway, it would be nice to have the whole fence engaging in that fine adjustment.

My CMS-OF module is resting in the middle of a torsion box. I put the CMS plate on the mdf of the torsion box where I wanted it to hang and drew pencil lines and
cut out outside the lines with my TS75. To let the plate rest on something, I turned the torsion box and plate upside down on my MFT/3 and screwed mdf strips all around the cutout. Incredibly simple really, and works really good.

 

[Mr Heavy]

Resurrected thread..

Thanks for the reply.

I am actually thinking about doing the same thing with a TS55 or 75 (and finaly use it with an Incra fence) so am very curious what you did, if anything, with the baseplate. Is it just the baseplate or did you use parts from the table aswell ?

Thank in advance

I find this intriguing. I was idly thinking about something similar myself - buying a TS- 55 insert and dropping it into a DIY table with one of my Incra LS fences on it - probably the metric one.

I have a Beckum/Metabo saw table which is really a contractor's sheet cutter - about 6' wide to the right of the fence and It's FAR too big and unwieldy for anything I do though it would comfortably rip 3 by 4s all day. Evil thing but I love it, apart from the fence which has no fine adjustment though. I Incra'd it for a while which was awesome - but still a bodge. The main problem is I haven't enough room to spit, and this thing is the size of a car.

It's currently under tarps and piles of junk in the back garden. Since I went tracksaw, the only time I miss the table saw is ripping sticks and battens and I was thinking about knocking up something (small( as per the idea above and maybe buying a "proper" cms table IF/when I can justify it.

I can hear the sound of palms striking faces up and down the Old Colony, but I'd be interested in any constructive thoughts and if nachtwacht or any other OP progressed the idea beyond musing.

I'm not sure how serious I am about this, frankly, but I like the challenge.
I'd go for a thick ply top with a full-size insert hole and then thicken it under the edge of the hole and glue/screw mdf lipping to the inside of the hole to take up the variable space under the insert and bring it level. A drop leaf and gate-leg (or whatever) to take the Incra and Robert's your parent's sibling.

With a plain insert it could be useful as a saw stand when track sawing, or extending the MFT for picnics for extra plates of olives or pickles.

I'd think twice about hanging the nearly 13" blade of the Beckum in something like this, but I'm confident this arrangement, carefully made, would be safe enough for the envisaged use.

All responses appreciated.

 

[Bohdan]

Pity that the pictures have disappeared as I would like to have seen what they did.

 

[Mr Heavy]

Pity that the pictures have disappeared as I would like to have seen what they did.

Anyone have 'em archived for a repost?

Please?

Very Please?

 

[hrrb]

I'll see if I can find the pics that I posted when I get home for the weekend. I haven't got access to my server right now.

kind regards
Henrik

 

[jeh]

Resurrected thread..

Thanks for the reply.

I am actually thinking about doing the same thing with a TS55 or 75 (and finaly use it with an Incra fence) so am very curious what you did, if anything, with the baseplate. Is it just the baseplate or did you use parts from the table aswell ?

Thank in advance

I find this intriguing. I was idly thinking about something similar myself - buying a TS- 55 insert and dropping it into a DIY table with one of my Incra LS fences on it - probably the metric one.

I have a Beckum/Metabo saw table which is really a contractor's sheet cutter - about 6' wide to the right of the fence and It's FAR too big and unwieldy for anything I do though it would comfortably rip 3 by 4s all day. Evil thing but I love it, apart from the fence which has no fine adjustment though. I Incra'd it for a while which was awesome - but still a bodge. The main problem is I haven't enough room to spit, and this thing is the size of a car.

It's currently under tarps and piles of junk in the back garden. Since I went tracksaw, the only time I miss the table saw is ripping sticks and battens and I was thinking about knocking up something (small( as per the idea above and maybe buying a "proper" cms table IF/when I can justify it.

I can hear the sound of palms striking faces up and down the Old Colony, but I'd be interested in any constructive thoughts and if nachtwacht or any other OP progressed the idea beyond musing.

I'm not sure how serious I am about this, frankly, but I like the challenge.
I'd go for a thick ply top with a full-size insert hole and then thicken it under the edge of the hole and glue/screw mdf lipping to the inside of the hole to take up the variable space under the insert and bring it level. A drop leaf and gate-leg (or whatever) to take the Incra and Robert's your parent's sibling.

With a plain insert it could be useful as a saw stand when track sawing, or extending the MFT for picnics for extra plates of olives or pickles.

I'd think twice about hanging the nearly 13" blade of the Beckum in something like this, but I'm confident this arrangement, carefully made, would be safe enough for the envisaged use.

All responses appreciated.

I don't think you would end up with much more than an expensive less than stellar table saw. The TS55 module is a rig at best and I don't see any advantages to it other than space savings and I don't think those warrant the cost of the saw, module, and fence. That said if you don't own a TS55 now, I would just buy a portable table saw. It will outperform the TS55 as a table saw and will be just as easy to setup, move and store. In the US Bosch and DeWalt make decent ones with a 24" rip capacity and the sell for substantially less than a TS55 + fence + module + lots of time wasted created a marginal table saw. I think you will be happier with the results.

 

[Mr Heavy]

Thanks JimH2

I already own the Ts55 AND a splendid Incra fence (well, four Incra fences actually.... though two of them are now the "original" type now handled by Rockler) so my total expenditure on this would only be for the drop-in module and a few bits O'wood.

I've played with the very nice Bosch round at W-Wizard's house and I thought it was great - and then I played with his CMS-mounted tracksaw (with all the bells and whistles, mind you) and it made the very nice Bosch look utterly pedestrian in comparison, which surprised the heck out of me, just as it did him..

As I posted, I've got a huge table saw which I'll probably get rid of once I unearth it and my main consideration is space. Mounting the Incra on the big saw gave me some superb, accurate cuts and I think mounting it on a CMS-insert based table would give me even better ones - and fit in a small space.
Were these not my particular considerations and circumstances, I think your opinion and advice to be damned good, but it's not completely apposite in this - my - instance.

Going the route I'm proposing would cost me around £240 Earthling pounds plus maybe half a sheet of ply, possibly the cheapest option for me at this stage.

I also have a Big Shed type table saw stuck under the same tarp, and that's DEFINITELY going on Ebay after I've dug it out and fettled it a bit. It's noisy and the fence is occasionally square and it's OK for ripping bath panels and bits of fence and cladding for stud walls but it's not really the most appropriate tool for someone with my aspirations and limited talent.

I'm more interested in making jewellery boxes and small fine furniture than kitchen cabinets and house extensions, and I didn't really make this clear originally but maybe it might explain my thinking.

Starting from scratch without a yard full of saws I think your recommendation makes MUCH more sense than my idea, particularly for all-round use but my envisaged use is a little perverse and so, perhaps, is the ideal solution.

Thanks again.

 

[GhostFist]

ARISE ANCIENT THREAD!
Ok couple of questions. how well does the lift mechanism work with the 2200? I went into my local dealer yesterday starting to enquire about the cms with my 2200. I know I'm not European enough to do that in this country  (canada) but I am a first born son here and I figure mounting a 20amp switch is no big whoop. What surprised me was that the dealer said the lift sucks with 2200. Is he right? Does he suck? Do my questions suck? Halp

 

[copcarcollector]

What surprised me was that the dealer said the lift sucks with 2200.

Isn't the "lift" for any of the routers mounted in the CMS simply the router's plunge mechanism upside-down? I would say that if the plunge on the router works, it should work upside-down in the CMS. Though the 2200 is a heavy router, it is a possibility to add it to the CMS in other parts of the world, I dont think I have read about the mechanism "sucking" from other users... perhaps our International friends can chime in.

 

[Stone Message]

ARISE ANCIENT THREAD!
Ok couple of questions. how well does the lift mechanism work with the 2200? I went into my local dealer yesterday starting to enquire about the cms with my 2200. I know I'm not European enough to do that in this country  (canada) but I am a first born son here and I figure mounting a 20amp switch is no big whoop. What surprised me was that the dealer said the lift sucks with 2200. Is he right? Does he suck? Do my questions suck? Halp

The lift mechanism varies depending on the weight of the router and so the OF2200 (which I have) is the biggest challenge for it. It does stick a little but it is no big deal. I crank it up, past the desired point, and then lower it down. I suspect that if I bothered to clean it off now and again it would be perfect.

I have some rather neat dry lubricant, sold by Axminster here in the UK, and now that you have raised the subject I will give my CMS-OF a clean and apply the lube. Here is a link (the spray is on the left):
http://www.axminster.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?cat=1565&q=Dry+lubricant+spray

I am sure that this will be sold under other names around the world.

Peter

 

[Svar]

I would say that if the plunge on the router works, it should work upside-down in the CMS.

Not quite. It's like plunging the router holding one handle. Actually worse, as now gravity works against the lift. Router gets skewed a little and sticks. Its a problem with all routers with built in lift mechanism.
I have another brand, but do what Peter describes above - crank up past the point, then lower.

 

[GhostFist]

Thanks for the feedback gang. I was suspect of the off center contact point and how it would affect a plunge router. How is construction on the lift mechanism itself?  Do you find it sufficient?

 

[Bohdan]

My lift on the OF2200 works with no sticking but I tend to do the opposite to Peter I go lower than required and creep up to the final size as that way if it had stuck it wouldn't drop once the motor is running.