CMS TS 75

[roblg3]

Yes, yes, I know it's NOT supported on this side of the pond...but, things are available...Here's the question, can the CMS TS 75 with say... an Incra Positioner and wonder fence..be a REASONABLE substitute for a decent cabinet saw in a one man cabinetry/furniture shop?  I've found that there's just no substitute for ME to have no table saw at all.  There's just too many functions it serves with speed compared to just a track saw alone.
Now, my current table saw is a dewalt contractor on a portable stand [bite tongue].  I've got the thing as tuned as you can get it...it's got a great blade, but the power sucks!Making 4-5 passes to cut through 10/4 oak is not what I'm willing to deal with any more.  Sure, I can go to the band saw and rough it out...then come to the table saw and finish the cut ( making sure to do 2 passes and flip the board over to try and keep a square edge because of blade deflection).  But it's not good enough.  I've never owned a true cabinet saw, and i'm not able to dedicate an extra 30-40 sq' of my small shop space to any type of sliding saw.  I use a track saw for sheet goods.
Can anybody help me out?

 

[tjbnwi]

Mt TS-75 CMS works very well. I use the angle head with the standard fence.

Tom

 

[Bohdan]

Now, my current table saw is a dewalt contractor on a portable stand [bite tongue].  I've got the thing as tuned as you can get it...it's got a great blade, but the power sucks!

You say its got a great blade. Is the blade a ripping blade because the number of passes seams excessive. I've got a small 1HP saw and it does that with no problem.

 

[roblg3]

it probably has more teeth than it should...it's a tenryu glue line rip blade.  unsure of the # of teeth ATM.

 

[pingvinlakrits]

I have had the CMS TS 75.
It does not substitute a cabinet saw: it is far too light for heavy ripping and sheet goods and the table surface is too small.

I cannot recommend it for that purpose. I have had the CS70 and still have a CS50 and between the three of them the CS70 is a fairly complete saw for a small to medium workshop whereas the CMS and CS50 are a bit limited. I use them for smaller stuff. 

 

[AlexThePalex]

CMS TS 75 is way too small to seriously compete with a cabinet saw.

 

[Kev]

CMS TS 75 is way too small to seriously compete with a cabinet saw.

I have a CMS TS75 with everything you can add to it ... mixed with the KAPEX and the TS55+ rails I can do "most" things.

One day, when I have space, I'll get a proper slider with a big heavy base. Sometimes you just need some mass [wink]

 

[sancho57]

As I am stalking Kev and he is my hero, I also have the CMS TS 75. It does everything I need. I've ripped everything up to 8/4 green oak with no issues what so ever .
I use the fence from the CS 50 and have the side table extension. For the price of it with the accessories I could of gotten a nice  semi stationary saw like the Mafele. But I really like the ability to change modules from routing to sawing to scrolling and not loose any space.

 

[Holmz]

As I am stalking Kev and he is my hero, I also have the CMS TS 75. It does everything I need. I've ripped everything up to 8/4 green oak with no issues what so ever .
I use the fence from the CS 50 and have the side table extension. For the price of it with the accessories I could of gotten a nice  semi stationary saw like the Mafele. But I really like the ability to change modules from routing to sawing to scrolling and not loose any space.

Starting from scratch - I am reading that the Erika85 may be worth looking at then??

 

[Kev]

Starting from scratch - I am reading that the Erika85 may be worth looking at then??

I think the Erika looks like a reasonable platform (but no secret about how I feel about M.... as an organisation!!)

Looking at a couple of videos of the Erika in use, I came across this one ..



See if you can count the number of stupid things this guys does while leaving a table saw running!

 

[Holmz]

The dancing across the 6x2's reminded me of me in an attic.
I usually power off when I an staging, so maybe it is a UK thing.

 

[AlexThePalex]

(but no secret about how I feel about M.... as an organisation!!)

Only because they don't want to go out of their way to sell to you.  [wink]

 

[Kev]

(but no secret about how I feel about M.... as an organisation!!)

Only because they don't want to go out of their way to sell to you.  [wink]

No matter, if they did I'd never trust their integrity to provide service. Regardless of the fact that virtually every part of the populated globe is easily accessible, some companies still see the world as if it were the 1700's.

Fortunately I only ever had a want and not a need! [wink] [big grin]

 

[sancho57]

I don't know much about the Ericka. I saw it at a show , it look pretty sweet. However it was heavy. To heavy to be lugged around rim job site to job site.

I don't know much about Ms customer service either. I dont own any of their tools.

Since Kev doesn't own one I don't either.

 

[Kev]

I don't know much about the Ericka. I saw it at a show , it look pretty sweet. However it was heavy. To heavy to be lugged around rim job site to job site.

I don't know much about Ms customer service either. I dont own any of their tools.

Since Kev doesn't own one I don't either.

A true disciple [big grin]

... and I hope you're remembering to drink your daily soul cleansing beer ...

 

[Kev]

This thread has been on my mind a bit, so I decided to make a few "fine cuts" with my CMS TS75 setup to challenge myself.

Blade up full in 900 position using the rip fence or the sliding table and the mitre gauge I'd say I'm mostly happy. The saw's CMS panel itself isn't 100% perfectly flat and whether this is a result of clamping up the saw or the weight ... not certain ... but it isn't that great as to affect the accuracy of the cut noticeably.

Now lets tilt the blade ... well this is where it all goes wrong. Trying to adjust the angle with the insert in situ is beyond painful and the CMS cradle components block your view of the low end of the scale. 00 or 450 are OK, but try for 150 and you'll be annoyed.

Height adjustment, this is fine - as long as you can bend or squat you'll have no problem. Plus you can just reach under and measure the blade height from above and ignore the scale (scale minus the table thickness that is) and it's fine.

Just something that I did that was a first, so I'll mention it .. I must have bumped the hose bracket that clips to top vac hose connecting the blade shroud off of the edge of the table. The weight of the hose pulls the riving knife out of alignment and will trap the material. Very poor!

Ripping down a 3m 50x100mm stud was "comfortable" and felt safe (trimming of 5mm).

I'd never use it to cut sheet goods, but that's what the TS and rails are for anyway.

Verdict? High quality it is, but it's still a hand power too in a chassis. Don't expect it to be anything more.

 

[Holmz]

So does that mean for 32 kg, and about the same price as your disciple paid for a fully kitted out CMS75 should I get an Erika?

 

[Kev]

So does that mean for 32 kg, and about the same price as your disciple paid for a fully kitted out CMS75 should I get an Erika?

This hurts .... with an 85mm cut and a pretty nice docking motion too ... umm ... yes [embarassed]

(but they're still not very nice people)

 

[Kev]

I'd love to know where you'd get an Erika 85 for less that a full CMS TS75 setup. IF it was me, I'd want (apart from it not to be badged Mafell) the slider and the extension table. From my thinking you'd be hard pressed to land one in Oz for under $6K

 

[sancho57]

As the head of the Kev booster club, i can say that I had to play a while with my CMS TS 75 to get the nice cuts I get now.

I did not remove the blade cover and replaced the riving knife with the one that came with the saw. Removing the blade guard. Which I didn't reall care for anyway.

I use the fence from the CS 50  and that in itself took me some adjustments. Aligning the outfield and side extension table.

Do I get the exact same cut as I did with my delta stationary saw?
No not quite as good.
Do I get acceptable cuts?n
Yes I do.
As far as ripping angle cuts on a table saw, 'I never or very seldom did I use the table saw for that. My carp buddy Bob, built a cool stand for his table saw and removed the handle to make angle cuts as a he never used it.
But with that being said,
'
What little I lose in quality of the cut I gain in shop space and versatility .

The Festool system is awesome in that, I can use the CMS saw when I need it or if I have the router set up in it I can use the TS and MFT to make cuts as wel.

But it compare apples to apple, I don't think Mafele makes a CMS style saw. They make the Erica . So to be more fair it would be best to compare the Erica with the Prescio 50 or 70
The Erica is running about £2500 and the Prescio 70 kit runs about £2000.

Now I got to go change into my pink and gold Kev Booster  club uniform

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