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Kev said:
holy sh!t this guy makes Roy Underhill look safety oriented
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holy sh!t this guy makes Roy Underhill look safety oriented
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yeah KEV pretty much that. plus it would free up the space the table saw currently occupies and allow me a longer assembly/cutting/ work bench area. not alot, but i'll take it! i could probably increase the length of a central workbench another 4 feet . I'm pretty sold on the idea as of now. i appreciate all the input from everyone!
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roblg3 said:
OK ... word to the wise then - get something very accurate for adjusting the blade angle and height from above the table. Releasing and tightening isn't a major challenge, but you can't easily read (or trust) the calibrations on the TS with it clamped up under CMS.
Also ..
1. Always check the riving knife position before you start a cut.
2. Frequently recheck blade angle.
3. Less frequently .. whip the module out and check everything is tight.
I do like the little sliding table with the mitre gauge mounted. The rip fence is average .. but you'll have the Incra for that, so all good! [wink]
Get the Wonder Fence and you'll have one more benefit when you use the CMS OF. [big grin] [big grin]
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i have the wonderfence already. i don't have the CMS, i have a phelonic router table that i attached to my mft in a similar way the cms does and I'll modify it to accept the plate. The way i process my lumber is 1 thickness plane 2 straight line rip with track saw 3 cut pieces to length on the mitre saw 4 rip to width. usually i'm buying rough cut lumber and making several cabinets at once so this works pretty well with little waste. I pretty much always have "extra" pieces in case of router tear out while making doors or drawer fronts. not to mention flaws that i missed while the pieces were larger. Then i just make an extra door and drawer for samples for future clients or for templates for repeat pieces. I have an OF2000 that's dedicated for table use. I wish i would've bought a 1010 instead of 1400 for handheld stuff, but it's really not THAT much heavier, but when i get these weird calls for adding shelf pins to already installed cabinets i'd rather have the lighter duty router. The 1400 is a beast and could replace the 2000 but the 2000 is the best router for table mounting because of it's design that doesn't get crammed up with falling dust and it has easily accessible micro adjust, albeit under the table. Designed and possibly manufactured FOR Festool by Mafell
I certainly appreciate the helpful tips! I guess i'll pick up a digital angle measurement device(i should have one anyway)
What's up with the riving knife? Does it wander?
I certainly appreciate the helpful tips! I guess i'll pick up a digital angle measurement device(i should have one anyway)
What's up with the riving knife? Does it wander?
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roblg3 said:
If you bump the top hose the clip holding it can come off and the weight of the hose pulls the knife over slightly. Just annoying, checking it becomes second nature. I would have preferred the CMS TS plate to have a riving knife that was more solid.
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A pm66 or uniturd is hardly any bigger.
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I think we need more comments from people who base their critique regarding Mafell on "i can't buy it in OZ. there fore they suck" bahhhhhh
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Holmz said:
I don't really think you can apples and apples compare the Erika saw with a TS75 setup anyway. One's a light portable table saw with an 85mm cut, the other is a bunch of hand held tools with re-purposing chassis and at best a 70mm cut.
You don't have to eject the saw from the Erika to use the router either ... for comparison you'd need two CMS module supports, but you do get a beefy track saw as well.
Anyway ... from the above you missed the rip fence and at least an end table extension, otherwise it's just too small for any practical use.
The CMS TS75 is a bit of a trap ... My CMS TS75 complete set (ignore any router setup) cost $4.5K .. same as the full CS70 setup. I convinced myself that the interchangeability with the CMS OF was a key strategy, but I went and got an additional CMS VL (my CMS TS is in a stand alone GE) as I'm not overly fond of the CMS OF fence and and got the Incra positioner adaptor plate for the MFT (but still haven't got round to buying the positioner and wonder fence yet).
This all came about because I had it in the back of my mind that I'll have a TS75 that I can revert to track saw use when I need it and that ultimately I'll get a serious sliding saw when I have space.
See any irony in the fact that my combined CMS gear is worth very close to the price of the Hammer Saw/Spindle I want? By the time I get round to acquiring the Wonder Fence the complete setup will have cost me close to $9K .. the Hammer B3 Winner comes in just shy of $8.5K.
Bit of a false economy [embarassed]
Lucky this is a hobby, if it was business I'd be kicking myself for being daft [big grin]
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I have the CMS GE table, got it used with the sliding table so it was a deal too good to pass up. Mainly got it as I have a lack of space and sold my old router table and old table saw to make room. It's good that I can now swap the modules for the saw and router albeit a few minutes taken to do this, and so now have just the one table. Not much time to swap them over really but could be a deal breaker for some. I would be annoyed if I had to continually take out the saw from the cms module to use it for other tasks then do a re-fit but it is easy enough to change the entire modules over from saw to router, leaving the tools in each module.
I only have the ts55r and was not aware at the time that the saw modules' fittings needed updating to fit the later ts55r saw.
You may need to check whether this is also the case regarding the ts75. I haven't heard about it but would pay to check it matches your saw.
If you can get the LA fence, its much better than the standard and has a micro adjusting feature. It locks down far better than the flimsy standard fence. And you may wish to get the table widener extn. and even an outfeed table. I find the table widener extn. a real bonus.
What Kev says about the riving knife is true, in my case it has just a bit of side movement play and yes you can slightly knock it out of true alignment but easily sorted.
I also agree on it being fiddly to set the blade height when the saw is upside down in the table module, hard to get the depth height just right without trial and error if you need it to be bang on to a specific mm. I find loosening the large knob just enough to still hold the saw up yet enable it to move and just gently tap it up or down, lock and check. Would have been nicer to have above the table height winder like the router plate has, thats sweet!. One thing I do not like for the CMS with the saw in is there is no featherboard to push the stock firm against the fence or no hold down featherboard either. One can rig something up, but for the money I'm surprised it doesn't come with them like it does with the router module. if I had the money I would prefer the ts75 instead of the 55 just for that extra height and power, but 50mm isn't too bad for 95% of jobs I do it's enough. Same with the router, if you can get the of2200 not the 1400 for the cms.
I find the height is good at 900mm as it matches the mft and I've now made my rolling carts to match the same height for infeed or outfeed tables. The cms table is light but does not move much if at all unless you're really pushing through some heavy post type timber. For cutting small rails and general duties its great. The cms's mft type mitre gauge is ok too, but can move out of alignment slightly if your pushing heavy stock, unless you really lock it down tight.
All in all because I got the ts-cms and have been able to slowly add modules to it it now is being used more and more. If one has room then dedicated machines would be better but if space is an issue then it's well worth looking at.
I only have the ts55r and was not aware at the time that the saw modules' fittings needed updating to fit the later ts55r saw.
You may need to check whether this is also the case regarding the ts75. I haven't heard about it but would pay to check it matches your saw.
If you can get the LA fence, its much better than the standard and has a micro adjusting feature. It locks down far better than the flimsy standard fence. And you may wish to get the table widener extn. and even an outfeed table. I find the table widener extn. a real bonus.
What Kev says about the riving knife is true, in my case it has just a bit of side movement play and yes you can slightly knock it out of true alignment but easily sorted.
I also agree on it being fiddly to set the blade height when the saw is upside down in the table module, hard to get the depth height just right without trial and error if you need it to be bang on to a specific mm. I find loosening the large knob just enough to still hold the saw up yet enable it to move and just gently tap it up or down, lock and check. Would have been nicer to have above the table height winder like the router plate has, thats sweet!. One thing I do not like for the CMS with the saw in is there is no featherboard to push the stock firm against the fence or no hold down featherboard either. One can rig something up, but for the money I'm surprised it doesn't come with them like it does with the router module. if I had the money I would prefer the ts75 instead of the 55 just for that extra height and power, but 50mm isn't too bad for 95% of jobs I do it's enough. Same with the router, if you can get the of2200 not the 1400 for the cms.
I find the height is good at 900mm as it matches the mft and I've now made my rolling carts to match the same height for infeed or outfeed tables. The cms table is light but does not move much if at all unless you're really pushing through some heavy post type timber. For cutting small rails and general duties its great. The cms's mft type mitre gauge is ok too, but can move out of alignment slightly if your pushing heavy stock, unless you really lock it down tight.
All in all because I got the ts-cms and have been able to slowly add modules to it it now is being used more and more. If one has room then dedicated machines would be better but if space is an issue then it's well worth looking at.
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Kev said:
OK - I think we are on-board.
I cannot seem to find anything that beats it without going up to that 8+k level, which seems to be more than 34kg.
Even though it is also a hobby, I sometimes kick myself... if the Mrs doesn't get the boots/CFMs in first. [embarassed]
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I think the distinction between "hobby" and "DIY" are very much lost on the majority of people when the hobby concerns things like woodwork, metalwork, car detailing, etc.
Your basic DIYer is typically out to save a buck, whereas your hobbyist is all about the enjoyment of doing.
Your basic DIYer is typically out to save a buck, whereas your hobbyist is all about the enjoyment of doing.
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Kev said:
I think am totally with you.
In that sense both DIY and someone in the trade are both concerned with $.
Just that the trade person may place value on time (saved) rather than lowest price.
I find little joy in the spending part [scared], but suffer through that in order to use the gear. [tongue]
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I don't have a issue setting the blade height. All I do is take the piece of wood I'm going to rip, raise the blade until it's a tad higher then the stock and rip it.
As far as the Irving knife, well I didn't stop using the one for the CMS and put the original back on and I don't really notice any real difference in dust collection or the lack of that way.
As far as the Irving knife, well I didn't stop using the one for the CMS and put the original back on and I don't really notice any real difference in dust collection or the lack of that way.
