CS 70 Precisio Table Saw
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The link I gave Is a download link from the festool uk site for the manual, I didn't download it because I already have the manual in pdf, just checked the link, it works for me. I did not see the cutting width for rip cuts mentioned in the manual, so I went and checked the scales on my saw.
I have not checked the regular product info on the uk site yet, but I presume that 650 stroke is in combination with the stroke of one of the sliding tables.
I don't own a sliding table (and don't want one), I bought the version with the dust collection set, for which I later got the outfeed table, the side extension (which I rarely use), the heavier duty rip fence and the wheels.
I have not checked the regular product info on the uk site yet, but I presume that 650 stroke is in combination with the stroke of one of the sliding tables.
I don't own a sliding table (and don't want one), I bought the version with the dust collection set, for which I later got the outfeed table, the side extension (which I rarely use), the heavier duty rip fence and the wheels.
I just checked the product info on the site, and the 650 stroke is indeed with the sliding table that comes with the set version. There's also another, larger sliding table available, which has extra support legs. The accesories I have are the ones in the set version, but without the little sliding table, and with the extra little wheels, so you can move the saw around easily with the tables attached. (I got the wheels for free when I ordered the other accesories). The pdf from the link is a different one than I already had on my pc, the page number with the technical specs is 14 in the manual from the download. (but you saw that info on the site already)
We have the saw for about 5 years now. Dust extraction is pretty good, when cutting solid wood there's still a fair amount above the table, but it gets most of it. Power has not been a problem, I've ripped 65 mm thick beams with it with no problems (using the panther blade). The major advantages though are the precision and the availability of accesories (although expensive).
I use the CS 70 Set for five years now. If the first setup is done correctly it makes real fun to work with it! It's easy to remove and install the right side table and the sliding table and you always have the same precision ! The Motor is speed controlled, I usually lower the speed when I cut beech, this prevents burned spots. Dust extraction is quite good, but I don't use a Festool Vac. My DC is not as powerful on the saw then on the Hammer A331 Jointer due to hose reduction. Very Powerful Motor in the saw, no problems with this.
Great thing is the splinterguard, you'll get two perfect Edges with one cut. But they work only on 90 Degree cuts. In case of blade tilting it's necessary to remove the splinterguard. Quite nice is the Air Filter for the Motor cooling. Easy to remove and clean. I couldn't believe it the first time I cleaned it, how much sawdust was trapped in it. Maybe it is less with the CT22/33. There's also a possibility to clamp workpieces down on the table or sliding table with a guardrail clamp. With the sliding table coming in the set you get 650 mm sliding capacity without moving the saw aggregate. But for those cuts I'll use the TS 55 and a guardrail. Festool should offer a second set with the 950 mm sliding table, because the table itself is bigger (double sized) and more usefull!
The saw is great for smaller shops and on site, easy to transport. And available in GB with 110 V, so why not import a CS 70 Set?
Great thing is the splinterguard, you'll get two perfect Edges with one cut. But they work only on 90 Degree cuts. In case of blade tilting it's necessary to remove the splinterguard. Quite nice is the Air Filter for the Motor cooling. Easy to remove and clean. I couldn't believe it the first time I cleaned it, how much sawdust was trapped in it. Maybe it is less with the CT22/33. There's also a possibility to clamp workpieces down on the table or sliding table with a guardrail clamp. With the sliding table coming in the set you get 650 mm sliding capacity without moving the saw aggregate. But for those cuts I'll use the TS 55 and a guardrail. Festool should offer a second set with the 950 mm sliding table, because the table itself is bigger (double sized) and more usefull!
The saw is great for smaller shops and on site, easy to transport. And available in GB with 110 V, so why not import a CS 70 Set?
Thanks Markus and Frank
I'm still undecided and I am stuck between the Festool and a Mafell.
Ideally I would like a really accurate panel saw that I can use on site, I have an Elektra Bekum
for a few years but its been bashed around quite a bit and isn't very accurate.
I'm still undecided and I am stuck between the Festool and a Mafell.
Ideally I would like a really accurate panel saw that I can use on site, I have an Elektra Bekum
for a few years but its been bashed around quite a bit and isn't very accurate.
You won't make a mistake with a Mafell Erika! Both, the CS 70 and the Mafell are very accurate! But I don't know, what Accessories are available for the Mafell. Here in Germany I've seen the Mafell very often on Construction Sites, this saw is very liked!
Markus
Markus
Before we got the CS we had an elektra beckum kgt500 and the elu flipsaw. They were both (ab)used for a long time to the point that accuracy was a thing of the past, and neither had any form of dust collection. I hadn't heard of the brand mafell till after we got the festool plunge saw and the CS. Here is a link that sums up the accesories for the erika when you scroll down: link (It's a pitty they don't have pictures for most of the accesories) I like the add-on routertable. (festool is introducing a similar one for the mft3, which will probably hook up to the cs aswell, but I believe that one needs supportlegs)
I have never seen their erica saw in person, but I did see their chain-mortiser and a demonstration of their jobsite panelsaw (like a ts 55, but it does the cutting by itself) at a fair.
I did read a positive review of it at a German forum, but I can't find it anymore, I did remember that that person liked the upfront controls, but when you lock the CS's blade in the front position the bevel and height controls are also upfront (allthough slightly less easy to reach than on the mafell from the looks of it).
Just by looking at the pictures, the advantages of the festool over the mafell seem to me: the splinter guard, the easier blade change (from above the table, due to the removable inlay), the lower price and the groove for using a festool rail clamp as a holddown clamp.
The system bonus for me is that the extensionwings of the kapex set fit the cs 70 aswell. Haven't them with the cs yet, but I will next time I have to cut aluminum profiles.
I did have a problem with my CS recently: when cutting thin strips I noticed the fences aren't 100% parallel to the blade anymore (in the vertical plane, they are still parallel and square in the horizontal plane, and the blade is still perpendicular to the table) I still have to contact festool about that to see if they can fix it and how much it would cost me, I was going to do that at a building fair last month, but I couldn't find the time to go there.
The missallignment is probably caused by the saw being banged around in my van and maybe because I replaced a worn rubber foot too late.
I have never seen their erica saw in person, but I did see their chain-mortiser and a demonstration of their jobsite panelsaw (like a ts 55, but it does the cutting by itself) at a fair.
I did read a positive review of it at a German forum, but I can't find it anymore, I did remember that that person liked the upfront controls, but when you lock the CS's blade in the front position the bevel and height controls are also upfront (allthough slightly less easy to reach than on the mafell from the looks of it).
Just by looking at the pictures, the advantages of the festool over the mafell seem to me: the splinter guard, the easier blade change (from above the table, due to the removable inlay), the lower price and the groove for using a festool rail clamp as a holddown clamp.
The system bonus for me is that the extensionwings of the kapex set fit the cs 70 aswell. Haven't them with the cs yet, but I will next time I have to cut aluminum profiles.
I did have a problem with my CS recently: when cutting thin strips I noticed the fences aren't 100% parallel to the blade anymore (in the vertical plane, they are still parallel and square in the horizontal plane, and the blade is still perpendicular to the table) I still have to contact festool about that to see if they can fix it and how much it would cost me, I was going to do that at a building fair last month, but I couldn't find the time to go there.
The missallignment is probably caused by the saw being banged around in my van and maybe because I replaced a worn rubber foot too late.
Thanks again Frank
Here in Ireland the saw will set me back about ?3000 with accessories and thats about the same as a Scheppach 4020 with all the bells and whistles.
I am willing to pay that money if it is accurate as you say it is but I was just thinking I bought 3 MFT's about 5 weeks ago and now there bringing out the MFT 3 to make it compatable
with the CMS, had I known that I would have waited and got the MFT 3 so I don't want to make the same mistake with the CS 70.
So do you think they will bring out a new one to make it compatable with the other systems ?
Here in Ireland the saw will set me back about ?3000 with accessories and thats about the same as a Scheppach 4020 with all the bells and whistles.
I am willing to pay that money if it is accurate as you say it is but I was just thinking I bought 3 MFT's about 5 weeks ago and now there bringing out the MFT 3 to make it compatable
with the CMS, had I known that I would have waited and got the MFT 3 so I don't want to make the same mistake with the CS 70.
So do you think they will bring out a new one to make it compatable with the other systems ?
ireland said:
It already is compatible with the other systems, the CMS and the mft now have the same profiles at the sides that the CS had al along. However I do think there is a sleight difference in table height. (not sure, I 'll check later)
