CT Mini, Buying Advice

sheperd80

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I may have an opportunity to buy a used CT Mini from a co-worker soon. The only problem is, he says its around 10 years old. Would that be a different model? I havent seen the unit yet, but he says it was barely used at all and has just sat in his shop for years. I know the guy well, and trust him. He takes excellent care of all his tools.

We havent discussed price yet. Are the older vacs as good? Any known problems? Assuming its in great shape, working, whole scope of delivery intact, whats it worth?

Thanks for any help.

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I have both the the old & new models of mini. The model numbers are the same. The new version has more suction than the older models. The older one are still good vacuums.
 
Thanks, do you remember what the old one cost? Have any pics of it?

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The mini sold for $285 in 2006.
I do not have any pictures, but the old ones look identical to the new models. The only difference is that the old ones do not have the HEPA sticker on them & the new ones have the T loc knob for systainers.
 
It is most definitely the older model. 99 cfm as opposed to 130cfm.  Not a  HEPA filter unless the owner changed it out. HEPA white / non-HEPA yellow.

But like was said above still  a very good vacuum.

Just a note many of the 130 cfm version do not have the T-Loc latch either. That was a later change.

Seth
 
Thats all incredibly helpful. Now i know what to offer, what to expect, what to look for. If it looks good and the price is right i think ill go for it. Thanks alot folks.

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The newest ones also have a tapered hose, I believe. I wouldn't make that a consideration myself. For $285 or less I would jump on it, but that's me.

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A nice bottle of scotch or something like that.

(If it sold for 285$ its value has likely gone down by now.)
 
^^^^^^

prob not. considering a new one costs $500

Can anyone say definitively the turbine was modified from the orig. version, and if so how.  EKAT doesn't seem to offer a clue.  I/m wondering exactly where the xtra 30cfm came from on the new models.
 
Hes bringing it in this Tuesday for me to see, along with a CT22. He wants to sell me both. Im thinking somewhere around half original cost is fair, assuming good condition. I believe the CT22 was around 450 new (based on heresay). So at total orginal cost of approx 735, i might offer 350 for the pair and let him talk me up to 400 or so.

What do u guys think?

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Unless saving money is your biggest concern, I'd avoid both of these old vacs.

I had both, swapped my CT22 for a CT26 four years ago, and swapped my 2006 Mini for a 2012 Mini last year.

Though the old ones were decent vacs, the new ones are much better.
 
CT 22 price in 2007 was $450. 

Certified , authorized, guaranteed, take it to the bank , for real price.

When superseded by the ct26 ,they could be had for $299 near the end.

$400 for the pair is a pretty good price, assuming condition.  Check the filters for wear and look closely at hoses and tool connectors for fatigue.  And $400 isn't going to get you any festool vac these days, let alone a 26.

I have all of these vacs and while the 26 is better in some respects better than the 22, in others, it is not especially if you use it with a dust deputy.  I can also tell you I don't think its anywhere close to $450 better than a CT22 which is the value prop. sheperd80 is facing today .
 
I would walk.

Its just not worth more than 25% of the original cost if they are 8 to 10 years old units. I dont care what anyone say about Festool resale. That's what guys say that think their stuff is worth more than it is, my perspective is what the item is truly worth as a user..

Unless they were BRAND NEW old stock no way in heck I would buy those. Remember 10 years is beyond the date Festool even has to make repair parts. And 10 years is the end of life for those. Even when things sit unused they get old, I have a feeling these are well used the seller know what he is doing. I would not pay more than 50% for one that was 4 years old, that gives you 4 years to get replacement parts guaranteed.

If you are paying 50% for both , IMHO just get ONE brand new unit. 3 Year warranty, new technology, better performance. I rarely think about warranty myself when purchasing new as these tools are all so good, but buying used where you cant get parts after a period of time can be an issue.

Seriously, Ill sell you my CT 33 for 200.00. There  is no guarantee it wont break down in two weeks, I wont warranty it.

 
dovetail - I happen to side with your view on this but many do not.

Replacement cost governs a lot of decisions and today's replacement cost of these or comparable units is $500 and $675.  When your car is wrecked you don't want a six year old bumper put back on do you ?  And if you have tool insurance against loss or theft ,ect.. on your policy you don't want a couple of bucks for your CT22 when it melts in that fire do you?  Of course not, you want enough $$$ to by a comparable unit. And that's $675 today.
 
I own a CT22, a Fein Turbo II, and sometimes use an older Festool CR Mini, that was purchased before they came with Hepa filters. All three vacuums are more than a decade old, and all three still work well. The Fein vacuum has had some foam fall out near the top, so I presume the fosm sound buffer may need to be replaced. From what I understand these may no longer be available as a part, do I may have to fabricate a new set if foam buffers. A couple if the vacuums could probably use a new filter. Otherwise all the vacuums still work very well. I tend not to abuse the smirff out if my vacuums so they may wind up lasting longer than those belonging to other users.

I keep seeing people on this forum refer to tools that are a previous model, or even more than 7 years old as "ancient" or something similarly derogatory. Older rools may have been used hard over time and worn out, so that would need to be checked for. There are also some materials that can go bad over time. The foam I mentioned in my Fein vacuum is one issue. grease sometimes separates and leaks. The outer insulation on power cords also seems to be a problem on older tools in some cases. My mother used a filter Queen vacuum for decades, and only stopped because the molded rubber connectors had started to melt and break down, and she didn't know where to purchase replacements, if it was even possible. I think the vacuum lasted decades.

Unless Festool is using completelt crap materials and parts, the vacuums should have a life span longer than seven years, unless they've been used daily, for hours on end, in a commercial setting, or completely abused, and dropped down steps. On a vacuum you should check the seals and filters, and see if they look like they need to be replaced. Also check the cord fir damage ir brittleness, especially near the tool, since the cords can go brittle over time. Slso check to make sure there are no cracks in the vacuum housing, since these are more likely to be expensive or unavailable to replace. For the two vacuums make sure the adapters that convert the 20amp plug to a 15amp plug are there. These aren't nevessary if you have 20amp sockets, and can be purchased or made up if you need them, but they're usefell to have since 15amp sockets are still very common.

One difference between some of the older Festool vacuums, and the newer models, that might be an issue for commercial work, is if you're using the vacuums to work on areas that might have lead paint. The CT22 was not certified for lead paint removal in the USA, according to regulations that went into effect. The newer series of vacuums was certified if fitted with Hepa filters. I'm not sure whether the actual issue was with the older vacuums, and the way they were designed and built, or whether the issue was that Festool just never had them tested, since they were comming out with a newer series of vacuums. My older Fein vacuums specifically stated that it was safe for asbestos when fitted with the fein Hepa filter.

Reading thru comments on this and other forums I seem to see a number of comments from people who believe the older vacuums may have actually been better made than the newer ones, and that the vacuum motors may have been more durable. I believe I've read the vacuum motors are made by a third party and may be available as an aftermarket part if necessary. There's also a video on youtube showing someone repairing one. There were also some features on the CT22 that aren't on the newer vacuums.

 
You guys raised an interesting point about replacement parts. So i called festool and they still carry tons of parts for both vacs and still do repairs. So atleast the vacs are still serviceable.

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sheperd80 said:
You guys raised an interesting point about replacement parts. So i called festool and they still carry tons of parts for both vacs and still do repairs. So atleast the vacs are still serviceable.

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Did you get prices?

I do not doubt claims that the old vacs are better than the new ones. (There has to be a reason that their reputation got started.) but it is not like an old Aston Martin, where they appreciate... It is a vacuum.

A friend sold me his old tube amps for $100 each. It was a token gesture, and I thought $100 for multi thousand $ amps...

I then paid $700 have them retuned, and a year later one of them smoked. It was covered under warranty as it was within the year of having them retubed.

More magic smoke escaped recently.
My friend said, "sometimes even free is a bad deal".
 
Holmz - one would normally think these tools would not appreciate, but here in the USA that is not the case many times.

I have personally sold a CT22, an ATF55, a Domino, and TS55 for more than I paid for them brand new. Between inflation and Festools price increases and the stellar condition of them, it was the only way for these folks to obtain a discount. 

It's not all sunshine and roses though.  I barely got $100 for my drills with rebuilt batteries in their systainers and with accessory chucks.

A quick look at the classifieds here shows a couple of TS saws just sold for darn near new prices as well.  Same with the sanders listed here.  New cult members can't seem to get enough.
 
antss said:
Holmz - one would normally think these tools would not appreciate, but here in the USA that is not the case many times.

I have personally sold a CT22, an ATF55, a Domino, and TS55 for more than I paid for them brand new. Between inflation and Festools price increases and the stellar condition of them, it was the only way for these folks to obtain a discount. 

It's not all sunshine and roses though.  I barely got $100 for my drills with rebuilt batteries in their systainers and with accessory chucks.

A quick look at the classifieds here shows a couple of TS saws just sold for darn near new prices as well.  Same with the sanders listed here.  New cult members can't seem to get enough.

And you did not even have to resort to politics in the quest for trying to understand human reasoning. [wink]

It is odd behaviour where people will spend more for a used tool. I can see if it was Def leopard's drum stick or, Senna's gloves.
But it is a 10 year old vacuum... It is not something imbued with magic.

But even I did buy a used DX93 for near new prices...
 
There can be vast differences in the retail price of similar items from the same manufacturer over time. There also can be differences in quality between older and newer versions of the same item. While I'm not not the kind if person who believes all newer items are crap, and you can only get quality by buying vintage items, there are differences that can be readily noticed in some items that don't even require a complete teardown.

If I recall correctly, the Trion jigsaw jigsaw price was lowered when the Carvex version one came out. The Trion was not discontinued, and is still in production. Some users also consider the Trion much more solid than the Carvex, particularly for certain tasks. The Carvex version one slso had to be modified due to issues.

There are plenty of complaints about the durability if the hose garage on the newer Festool vacuums breaking. The older vacuums didn't have a hose garage accept as an accessory later on.

While the newer TS saws have a bunch of nice features the older AT and ATF saws didn't, there seem to be more complaints about machining tolerance issues and saws not being square

 
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