ct22 longlife bag
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I use the long-life bag almost exclusively...
The best argument I have heard not to use one is that when you are using a paper bag and it is full, you take it out of the CT, close it up, and dispose of it. There is very little chance that you will introduce its contents to the air.
I take my long-life bag out to the compost pile and empty it there rather than in the trash (inside). I don't like to use it with something like sheetrock dust or when I am sanding rocks. Yes, I sand rocks.
It really depends on how you work, which is better for you.
If you can use the long-life bag in your situation, it is a little more trouble but should pay off eventually.
Tom
The best argument I have heard not to use one is that when you are using a paper bag and it is full, you take it out of the CT, close it up, and dispose of it. There is very little chance that you will introduce its contents to the air.
I take my long-life bag out to the compost pile and empty it there rather than in the trash (inside). I don't like to use it with something like sheetrock dust or when I am sanding rocks. Yes, I sand rocks.
It really depends on how you work, which is better for you.
If you can use the long-life bag in your situation, it is a little more trouble but should pay off eventually.
Tom
I own a ct22 and a midi.
I have a long life bag for the ct22 and wish they made one for the midi.
When I'm hot on a project I make it a habit to go around the shop emptying my vacs (incl. my fein) and dust collectors (3...2 portable)
every few days. When I'm working a lot with the domino, sanders and now my 2200 I empty the ct22 everyday.
I don't like dust bricks and neither does my ct22, if I had a paper bag on it I would hesitate until it was full, which is too full for me.
My dumpster is on the other side of the property, so with my dust mask on "outside" it's no bother to shake it out.
cheers,
Roger
ps. hmmm, that said if I was going to work exclusively with drywall dust I'd break out one of my paper bags and hurry up to get back to working with wood.
I have a long life bag for the ct22 and wish they made one for the midi.
When I'm hot on a project I make it a habit to go around the shop emptying my vacs (incl. my fein) and dust collectors (3...2 portable)
every few days. When I'm working a lot with the domino, sanders and now my 2200 I empty the ct22 everyday.
I don't like dust bricks and neither does my ct22, if I had a paper bag on it I would hesitate until it was full, which is too full for me.
My dumpster is on the other side of the property, so with my dust mask on "outside" it's no bother to shake it out.
cheers,
Roger
ps. hmmm, that said if I was going to work exclusively with drywall dust I'd break out one of my paper bags and hurry up to get back to working with wood.
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I really don't think drywall dust would harm the bag, I'm just weird that way.
I have this romantic notion that the long life bag is for wood... I love the smell, the look, the feel of wood.
I hate drywall dust.
That's all.
Tom
I have this romantic notion that the long life bag is for wood... I love the smell, the look, the feel of wood.
I hate drywall dust.
That's all.
Tom
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I use a long life bag when I'm not sanding. When I'm routing, cutting, and dominoing is where it will save the most money. Consumables in the end cost more than the average tool. I set up one vac with a paper bag which catches finer dust and on the ct I run the long life. Seems to work pretty good.
I don't think The long life bag is rated for dust as fine as drywall dust. I believe there a thread about this earlier this summer after I bought my bag. The thread made my question my purchase. In the end I found a way to use it without a hassle.
C Hughes
I don't think The long life bag is rated for dust as fine as drywall dust. I believe there a thread about this earlier this summer after I bought my bag. The thread made my question my purchase. In the end I found a way to use it without a hassle.
C Hughes
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I have used a long life bag with my CT22 for over three years and, during that time, I have emptied at least 100 times. (At cuurent pricers) even if I were to use each paper bag three times it would already have cost me (100/3)/5 x $34 = $226 whereas the long life bag cost $186 -and it has a lot of life left in it still.
With the wide opening at the end, I simply enclose the cloth bag in a palstic garbage bag and shake it. A very limited amount of dust excapes but so what?
By the way, my estimate of 3 uses for each paper bag is based upon experience with my Festool Mini (yes, I have two Festool vacuums). I empty my paper bag by slitting it at the base with a very sharp knife then closing it up again with duct tape.
With the wide opening at the end, I simply enclose the cloth bag in a palstic garbage bag and shake it. A very limited amount of dust excapes but so what?
By the way, my estimate of 3 uses for each paper bag is based upon experience with my Festool Mini (yes, I have two Festool vacuums). I empty my paper bag by slitting it at the base with a very sharp knife then closing it up again with duct tape.
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I had a discussion with one of the Festool staff about the long life bag and while I don't remember the exact details of the conversation the beg is best used with wood chips like that of cutting or routing not for fine dust. Over time with larger debris particles being able to pass through the long life bag the result will be a shortened life of your main filters compared to using paper filter. The question is do you get enough use out of the vacuum for this to be a meaningful factor??
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Here's the entry about the long-life bag from the Festool USA Support Knowledgebase:
http://www.festoolusa.com/support/Support-Article.html?ArticleID=31
Q: When would you recommend using the Long life filter bag?
A: The long life filter bag is not recommended for fine dust as emptying it is not convenient and exposes you to environmental hazards. The long life filter bag is recommended for sawing, planing or routing operations where you generate considerable mass and coarse dust. The long life bag will pay for itself over time as it lasts about as long as 500 filter bags. Please see the link below for more information: http://www.festoolusa.com/media/pdf/long_life_bag.pdf (link corrected by Forrest)
Also the following from their dust extractor brochure:
Longlife filter bag
When using the CT dust extractors with routers and
planers, or any activities that produce large shavings
or wood chips in volume, the filter bags are going to fill
up faster than when you are producing finer dust, like
when sanding. If you need to change filter bags often
under these circumstances then it might be time for a
longlife filter bag. Designed for the CT 22 and 33 units
and made of cloth, the longlife filter bag can be used over
and over again. Saves money on filter bag replacement
while offering a convenient and easy way to capture and
dispose of large wood chips. Not recommended for use
with fine dust such as sanding or sawing.
Forrest
http://www.festoolusa.com/support/Support-Article.html?ArticleID=31
Q: When would you recommend using the Long life filter bag?
A: The long life filter bag is not recommended for fine dust as emptying it is not convenient and exposes you to environmental hazards. The long life filter bag is recommended for sawing, planing or routing operations where you generate considerable mass and coarse dust. The long life bag will pay for itself over time as it lasts about as long as 500 filter bags. Please see the link below for more information: http://www.festoolusa.com/media/pdf/long_life_bag.pdf (link corrected by Forrest)
Also the following from their dust extractor brochure:
Longlife filter bag
When using the CT dust extractors with routers and
planers, or any activities that produce large shavings
or wood chips in volume, the filter bags are going to fill
up faster than when you are producing finer dust, like
when sanding. If you need to change filter bags often
under these circumstances then it might be time for a
longlife filter bag. Designed for the CT 22 and 33 units
and made of cloth, the longlife filter bag can be used over
and over again. Saves money on filter bag replacement
while offering a convenient and easy way to capture and
dispose of large wood chips. Not recommended for use
with fine dust such as sanding or sawing.
Forrest
I have bought long life bag two years ago, because my paper bags were full very quickly and sucking power goes rapidly down when the bag is ful from 50% and more. I'm very happy with it. When it's half full, I put it into plastic bag, slowly empty it without clouds of dust arround and go on.
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I'll go on a slight tangent. A mini cyclone can be adapted between the tool and the CT. It is effective for both fine and coarse wood particles. I prevents most (90-95%) of particles to getting to the bag and the filters. However, I believe this setup is more appropriate for shop use compared to site use given that you now would have another thing to carry. I believe there is a thread where someone adapted the mini cyclone to a systainer. This may be an alternative depending on you site use.
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It is my understanding that both the long-life bags and the paper filter bags will allow particles smaller than 5 microns to pass.
The standard filter element handles particles down to 1 micron.
The HEPA filters go down to .3 micron.
Tom
The standard filter element handles particles down to 1 micron.
The HEPA filters go down to .3 micron.
Tom
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I don't have a long life bag but do seem to spend a fortune in paper ones (they are cheaper here if you buy them 20 at a time) - but then I use 3 different festool vacs on a regular basis. As I'm mainly working with MDF, I wouldn't want to shake out the long life bag.
But I'm posting because I've got a question on this subject. If you are planing or routing wood, could you not use the vac without a bag at all? The filters on my CT33 have a cleaning mechanism which implies they are designed to be used without a bag - I suppose you'd need the bucket that fits into the vac for easy emptying. I wouldn't because of the MDF and my loathing of cleaning filters (I've got the Festool sheetrock sander which you use with plastic sacks when drywall sanding and I try to use it with paper bags if I've only got a small job as otherwise it's a messy business.) but has anyone tried it?
But I'm posting because I've got a question on this subject. If you are planing or routing wood, could you not use the vac without a bag at all? The filters on my CT33 have a cleaning mechanism which implies they are designed to be used without a bag - I suppose you'd need the bucket that fits into the vac for easy emptying. I wouldn't because of the MDF and my loathing of cleaning filters (I've got the Festool sheetrock sander which you use with plastic sacks when drywall sanding and I try to use it with paper bags if I've only got a small job as otherwise it's a messy business.) but has anyone tried it?
I appreciate all the info ,it is also my opinion that the hepa should take over where the bag stops ,i had a ripped bag that filled the vac up with dust and i didn't know it until i opened up to check the bag.the vac was JAMMED full but i didn't know it there was no leakage or loss of power
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