Custom Sysport/Work Table

[jonny round boy]

I'm gonna get slated for posting this, but in a few months you may all thank me.... ;D

I've got lots of systainers, and use the roll-boards a lot. The only thing I have problems transporting is my Kapex saw (I know, I know, but you'll have your own in a few months!). It's smaller & lighter than similar-capacity saws, but carrying it any distance is a pain, especially since you can't really carry anything else at the same time!

So I had the idea of building a small, mobile work table, kinda like a mini-MFT, that the Kapex could sit on for transport. and here it is...

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and, showing the overall dimensions;

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The width and depth of the top is determined by the overall footprint of the saw. The height is a compromise between ideal working height and stability for moving with the saw in place (I may yet revise this upwards, but I haven't decided yet). The top is 18mm (3/4"), with a timber lip around the edge. this lipping holds in another 18mm piece, a sacrificial top for sawing on if necessary. The top overhangs all round enough to get a clamp on for work holding.

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The sacrificial top has 4x 20mm holes in it, corresponding with the feet on the kapex to stop it sliding. Rather than just having 4 holes, I may put a full matrix of them in, a la MFT, thus allowing the use of the MFT-SP clamps for holding work.

The overall size allows for 2 systainers side-by-side - heightwise, a sys 5 will fit, or a combination of similar size (4+1, 3+3, etc.). This arrangement also left some room depth-wise, so I moved the back panel in by 50mm (2"), and put in some blocks to hold my clamps;

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I haven't put a model of the Kapex on there - one, I haven't got around to drawing it up in SketchUp yet, and two, I feel I can only push things so far..... ;D ;D ;D

If anyone wants a closer look, I've uploaded it to the SKETCHUP WAREHOUSE.

 

[Eli]

What about a smaller cart than jmatz's for the MFT800 w/ legs folded? Perfect size for the K*&^%X, and could always be used for something else as well.

 

[jonny round boy]

What about a smaller cart than jmatz's for the MFT800 w/ legs folded? Perfect size for the K*&^%X, and could always be used for something else as well.

I want to keep it as small as possible, really. Just big enough to sit the kapex on - it's got to be moved about A LOT, and it's also got to fit through 27" door frames (meaning 25" with the stops on!). Also, it's got to be small enough to fit in my vehicle, and light enough to be lifted in and out of it (without the saw attached!) twice a day.

I'm already onto revision 2 - I've decided to go with the full matrix of holes, and to change the solid board under it to a frame. That way, the middle 15 holes will be able to be used with the standard clamps;

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[Tinker]

I'm gonna get slated for posting this, but in a few months you may all thank me.... ;D

I've got lots of systainers, and use the roll-boards a lot. The only thing I have problems transporting is my Kapex saw (I know, I know, but you'll have your own in a few months!). It's smaller & lighter than similar-capacity saws, but carrying it any distance is a pain, especially since you can't really carry anything else at the same time!

So I had the idea of building a small, mobile work table, kinda like a mini-MFT, that the Kapex could sit on for transport. and here it is...

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and, showing the overall dimensions;

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The width and depth of the top is determined by the overall footprint of the saw. The height is a compromise between ideal working height and stability for moving with the saw in place (I may yet revise this upwards, but I haven't decided yet). The top is 18mm (3/4"), with a timber lip around the edge. this lipping holds in another 18mm piece, a sacrificial top for sawing on if necessary. The top overhangs all round enough to get a clamp on for work holding.

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The sacrificial top has 4x 20mm holes in it, corresponding with the feet on the kapex to stop it sliding. Rather than just having 4 holes, I may put a full matrix of them in, a la MFT, thus allowing the use of the MFT-SP clamps for holding work.

The overall size allows for 2 systainers side-by-side - heightwise, a sys 5 will fit, or a combination of similar size (4+1, 3+3, etc.). This arrangement also left some room depth-wise, so I moved the back panel in by 50mm (2"), and put in some blocks to hold my clamps;

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I haven't put a model of the Kapex on there - one, I haven't got around to drawing it up in SketchUp yet, and two, I feel I can only push things so far..... ;D ;D ;D

If anyone wants a closer look, I've uploaded it to the SKETCHUP WAREHOUSE.

JRB, All is forgiven for any of your previous mentions of the NAINA product.  you have fully redeemed yourself  :  you must still be vigilant in the future.

;D ;D

Tinker
PS  i do see some hope for you

 

[neoshed]

Nice idea mate and cheers for the skippy. That is going to weigh a fair bit though to put it in the back of a van?

 

[jonny round boy]

Nice idea mate

Thank you

cheers for the skippy

No, you've lost me there! ???

That is going to weigh a fair bit though to put it in the back of a van?

Hmm, it may well do. It may be that I'll have to remove the systainers, lift it in, and then put the systainers back - it'll be a bit of a pain, but better than now. Without anything in/on it, it shouldn't weigh too much :

BTW, today I've been working on the SketchUp model of the saw itself. It's not going to be fully detailed (even I'm not THAT sad ), but it'll be a reasonable representation. I've got the base casting done (though it needs some details adding), the scale, and the bottom section of the fence. At this rate I should just about have the model finished by the time the saw's available in NA!!!

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[neoshed]

skippy = skp (sketch up file) Us sketchup old timers call them skippy's

Looking forward to the kapex model....at least it wont be naina

 

[jonny round boy]

skippy = skp (sketch up file) Us sketchup old timers call them skippy's

Oh I see...

Gotcha. So how long do you have to use sketchup to become an old timer, then?

 

[Eli]

Three weeks ;D

 

[Dave Ronyak]

JRB,

Maybe this doesn't fit your space and portability requirements, but have you considered  complementing your roll-about Kapex table with a pair of MFTs which could be used as side supports and for all the normal things MFTs are used for?  I don't plan on a Kapex, but I own an MFT 1080 and MFT 800 and am thinking of building a shorter rollabout table to set my CMS on between them.

I also very much like the idea of building a series of differently sized boxes to set under my MFT so they can be used for storage of Systainers, and also to support woodworking projects at various heights.

Dave R.

 

[Mike_Chrest]

Hi Jonny,
  I like the design of the cart. Have you considered using pneumatic hand cart wheels on one side so you could move the whole thing up and down stairs loaded?
Mike

 

[Mike_Chrest]

They make an extendable top for this guyhttp://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=459&cx=rock
How about one drilled for MFT/Kapex ?

 

[Eli]

Like a Magliner

 

[Mike_Chrest]

Like a Magliner

Wow. Perfect.

Now we need some extension wings :
http://www.garymkatz.com/ToolReviews/extension_wings.html

By the way. Gary has sketch up templates on his web site for shop lay out (Chopsaw).
http://www.yda-online.com/shopmodels.htm

 

[Mike_Chrest]

Here's one from Todd at Journal Of Light Construction forums.
http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8212&d=1190753247

 

[jonny round boy]

OK, well I've done a bit more work on it now (the design, that is - I haven't started building anything yet!).

I've decided on the finished height now. I thought it would make sense to tie the height of the table in with the heights of stacked systainers, so I've settled on a finished height for the top surface of 653mm from floor level. That's the height of a systainer roll board (128mm) plus 5 Sys1's (105mmx5 = 525mm). As the systainers are all sized on a base level of 105mm, then that height can be reached with many different combinations (2x Sys3's + 1x Sys1, or 1x Sys4  +1x Sys3 for example). I did consider making it 105mm lower (548mm), but the working height would have been a bit too low.

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As you can see, that leaves room for 8x Sys1's inside (or 4 sys3's, or 2 sys5's... you get the point ;D), plus enough clearance to get the clamps in and out of the MFT holes.

When using it with the Kapex, simply adding a sys1 to each stack will bring the supports up to the same height as the bed of the saw:

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I've bought a set of 4 braked 3"/75mm castors, and I've also ordered a spare top for an MFT1080 - this is big enough to get 2 tops out of to fit my design, so I'll have a spare top as well. I've also worked out the cutlist, so all I need to do now is buy the plywood & cut it, which I'm hoping to get done at some point next week (I decided to go with WBP hardwood ply instead of MDF, as hopefully it won't sag as much).