Do Festool Vac's REALLY Work?

[ccmviking]

Can anyone do this test on a CT and see how it performs in this particulate test?  I'd assume that they would do good, but you know what the first part of assume is.

Chris...

Miele Vacuum

 

[nickao]

Boy that guy sure is into what he is doing!

I have the Oreck and what he does not show is the vacs being used on a floor(no carpet). On a  floor the Oreck is a great vac. As far as his other comments, they seem correct, but in the real world does it matter?

I would love for him to test a Festool.

 

[dirtydeeds]

i remember a kirby vacum sales pitch

very similar but without the tecky tools

 

[Greg_R]

Well, I own a Miele HEPA cannister vacuum and a Festool shopvac.  Both are excellent machines.  The Miele is more appropriate for in-home situations and is another one of those tools that 'just work'.  Both my wife and I have bad dust allergies so I did a lot of research prior to buying the Miele (yes, I even endured a Kirby demo).  The problem with most vacs is that they have HEPA filters but are not a HEPA system.  In other words, they have a nice filter and dust just blows around it.  Miele (and I think Sebo) are the only 2 vacuums that have had the entire vacuum system measured by a standards body to determine that it meets HEPA filtration standards.  A non-scientific test is to check the vacuum for dust.  If the only dirt and dust is inside the bag and the hose then the vac is doing a good job.  If the entire inside is dusty then the vac is definitely not up to HEPA standards.  The inside of a Festool vac is very clean but I'm not aware if they have gotten the vac independently tested.

 

[joraft]

Well, I own a Miele HEPA cannister vacuum and a Festool shopvac.  Both are excellent machines. 

We have a Miele too, and we love it. Small, quiet, and very powerful. Not a speck of dust ever escapes from this machine, and the exhaust air has absolutely no odor to it. We now actually fight over who gets to vacuum the floor (okay, that was just the first day, then I got over it).

Just like Festool, it's an example of fine German engineering that comes at an outrageous price.

John

 

[vteknical]

Greg_R you really did your homework.  Miele is a Hepa certified vacuum, meaning the entire vacuum operates at the efficiency standards of a Hepa filter.  If you suffer from extreme allergies this is a must have.

You don't need to spend a fortune either to get a decent Miele Vacuum.  You will get the same dust capturing efficiency in the lower end models.  Lastly these things are built to last a long time.

I have dissected my CT22 and was impressed with the engineering and build quality.  If Miele produced a shop vac built like a ct22 it would cost 3,000 plus dollars.  Being in the appliance industry and knowing a little about vacuum cleaners buying a Ct22 at 490.00 is an absolute bargain.  I am curious about the particulate emission,  I will see if can get a counter sent to me for testing.

Victor

 

[nickao]

Victor what does the Miele cost?

If you ever come across, have access to a demo or hear of a great sale, I would love to buy one.

Do you have a spindle sander? I have a Performax I purchased new for about 100.00 and do not need it anymore. It only has about 2 - 3 hours run time.

It's free if you want to come get it.

If vteknical does not want it anyone on the forum that can pick it up can have it Free also. It's not worth shipping at that cost.

Nickao

 

[poto]

If you want to pay top dollar, you can purchase Miele through Williams Sonoma. I'd bet you can find the same thing for less $$ elsewhere, though.

 

[nickao]

No, I want to pay bottom dollar, like a demo unit or something, I'll take a look at ebay, thanks.

Nickao

 

[vteknical]

check out miele.com

prices range from 259.00 up  I would not recommend buying a Miele from ebay, prices are like Festool resale prices....High!
If you do not know product history, you may wind up buying a 10plus year old unit. 

Nick
I PM'd you about the sander.

 

[joraft]

If you want to pay top dollar, you can purchase Miele through Williams Sonoma. I'd bet you can find the same thing for less $$ elsewhere, though.

I bought my Miele from a local authorized dealer (which aren't easy find, even in L.A.)  I had to have all the goodies, two different sized power heads, wand extentions, and a bunch of other accessories. Out the door $1300.

But just like with Festool, the memory of the outrageous price doesn't last anywhere near as long as the pleasure of using top quality equipment. We've owned many different vacuum cleaners over the years, but none was ever close to this.

John

 

[nickao]

My grandmother had an old pull along Hoover. The darn thing last over 25 years and it may not have been HEPA, but it worked.

I have been purchasing a new vac every year or two. I am willing to pay if it will last.

Nick

 

[ColoradoCop]

Kirby?  Never liked them. Salesman would not take no for an answer. Had to show him my badge!

 

[honeydoman]

festools vacumes really wook except on sunday.......... they need a day of rest!! ;D ;D

 

[Frank-Jan]

Can anyone do this test on a CT and see how it performs in this particulate test?  ...

Miele Vacuum

I don't have a particle counter, I won't stand deliberately on the hose; and I doubt you'll find anyone who would try to swing his CT22 over his head by the cord... 

 

[AHoman]

Wow! Thanks for posting this link.  We have a Kenmore "Hepa" for our house, and I have never really analyzed its performance, but I assume that it is as bad as the demo shows.  Essentially they are exploiting the "hepa" catchword without really providing that much filtering.  Now I'm actually considering getting a Festool vac for our house!
-Andy

 

[Bob Marino]

My grandmother had an old pull along Hoover. The darn thing last over 25 years and it may not have been HEPA, but it worked.

I have been purchasing a new vac every year or two. I am willing to pay if it will last.

Nick

Nick,

I have had an Orekk for about 4 years now and do like it. Didn't your's last?

Bob

 

[Joe Jensen]

Miele is awesome.  My wife vacuums 3 times a week minimum.  I was tired of all the noise so I started researching household vacs.  Miele is it.  We bought the first one 18 years ago and it is still going strong.  We did replace the cord, and she has worn out the brushes twice.  2 years ago she was complaining about having to carry the vac upstairs and downstairs all the time.  Given that she lets me buy whatever tools I quietly ordered a second one as a surprise.

For both units we bought the smaller size (300 series I think) with power head and accessories plus HEPA, and I think the last one was $659 on the internet.

Not only does it do the best job Hepa wise, it is REALLY quiet.  And when your wife vacuums several hours a week that's a plus  ;D

 

[Grinding One]

I bought an Oreck too,I take it in for a cleaning every year...otherwise you void the warrenty of 20 years.I`ve had this one 8 years now.It picks up everything I can see but it does get dirty inside,I watched the repairman clean it up one year.But after a year of cleaning a 3000 ft ranch house 3 times a week its not that dirty inside the vac....everytime I go in they try to sell me another one or something else...But it doesn`t leave a clean room like my CT 22 from festool ,that thing doesn`t leave dust anywhere.Now don`t tell my wife or I`ll loose it.

 

[roadking06]

Dyson DC14 Animal for the house and CT22 for the shop. When it comes to vacuums in the house or the shop I dont care how much noise they make. I want it suck the hair straight on a chinaman's head on the other side of the planet.