Does anyone know if there will be a U.S. version of the HK85?
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Svar said:
As far as I know, many, if not all, Mafell tools in the US don't have a UL or CSA certification.
It's a foolish standard when the tools are coming from the EU which has standards at least equal to the US equivalents. If it is good enough for the EU then it is more than adequate for the US. UL certification is a shakedown that only catches the bad guys, but punishes the good ones through forced compliance.
Thanks for the deflection [member=57769]TylerC[/member] - but you still didn't answer the question.
What feature, or omitted safety device would keep the saw from passing UL ?
In the 60-70's German cars weren't designed for the U.S. market and they soon had to have fat bumpers added and then smog accessories to pass U.S. standards that weren't applicable in Europe. Those were add ons rather than "designed into" the product. In that case the U.S. was the more stringent standard.
So, what won't pass UL listing and can't easily be solved by capable designers/engineers ? After a quick look , I don't see anything remarkable about the base saw that would raise an eyebrow - or inspire sales. - Which I suspect is the real reason you don't have plans to bring to NA. Looks like an HK55 on steroids.
What feature, or omitted safety device would keep the saw from passing UL ?
In the 60-70's German cars weren't designed for the U.S. market and they soon had to have fat bumpers added and then smog accessories to pass U.S. standards that weren't applicable in Europe. Those were add ons rather than "designed into" the product. In that case the U.S. was the more stringent standard.
So, what won't pass UL listing and can't easily be solved by capable designers/engineers ? After a quick look , I don't see anything remarkable about the base saw that would raise an eyebrow - or inspire sales. - Which I suspect is the real reason you don't have plans to bring to NA. Looks like an HK55 on steroids.
TylerC said:
That's a bummer, just finished awkwardly crosscutting stair treads with my ts75 and a 55" rail. The whole time thinking how great it would be to have a fsk rail on my ts75...maybe they could sell an aftermarket base to convert the TS line for fsk rails.
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It is time some posters take a deep breath. If you honestly think that FESTOOL will answer some of the questions posted here in a public forum on the internet then you are extremely optimistic. FESTOOL has long had a policy that they will not discuss internal business or marketing on this forum.
Tom is correct that UL approval is not required by law, but I offer that it is fairly common for insurance carriers to have requirements that are contractual.
I am not speaking for FESTOOL here but rather from my own experiences.
Peter
Tom is correct that UL approval is not required by law, but I offer that it is fairly common for insurance carriers to have requirements that are contractual.
I am not speaking for FESTOOL here but rather from my own experiences.
Peter
Peter Halle said:
Peter is right. It wouldn't be wise for us to publicly discuss internal details of our business practices. We want to answer things as well as possible (ex. "The HK 85 isn't coming to NA anytime soon because of UL approval"). However, it wouldn't be prudent for us to offer details on topics like this (ex. "The reasons this tool wouldn't is UL approval are ..."). I'm sure you all can appreciate the balance that we have to strike.
