European Festool Products

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My Festool collection for use in my shop is 120 v., 60 Hz.  I am thinking of purchasing one or more tools for use in a Caribbean country with European power characteristics, namely 50 Hz.  Where can I purchase European Festool products from here in the US?
 
You'll need to order them from Europe.

Which island are you going to?  I can't recall one that doesn't have 110/120v supplies.  But I certainly haven't been to them all.
 
There are a few places around the world where they have 240V 60 Hz or 110V 50 Hz. What we have in Europe is 230V 50 Hz, with such margins that neither the mainland countries (220V) or the UK (240V) really had to change anything...

But no-load outlet voltage where I live tends to be something like 232V

Yes, you can order them from Europe, but most webshops aren't build for outside-europe shipping, so you most likely need to contact them in advance.

Make sure they deduct their VAT; if you have it shipped outside the European customs zone, it counts as export and it can be VAT-free. Pretty much every country has a different VAT rate, but for Germany it's 19%, Netherlands 21%.

And oh; cross-Atlantic shipping is ridiculously expensive.  [wink]

And just so you know; the usual payment method here is to pay in advance using (some sort of semi-automated) wire transfer. They charge extra if you want to use credit card. If they don't charge extra, they usually offer 2% off when you do pay in advance. If you do pay using wire transfer, count on $10-20 bank costs when doing international payment from a US account and make sure you click the "OUR" thing regarding bank costs otherwise the european bank will deduct a few bucks from the payment.

Germans mostly read and write English just fine, and all decent shops have easy to find contact info.

But warranty-wise, can't you source them from a US dealer that uses the normal supply chain?
 
This is starting to sound too complicated to bother.  The location I plan to use it (probably an orbital sander) is Bonaire.  It's a Dutch island, with 125 (-ish) volts and 50 cycles.  Stores stock compatible items, but not Festool.  The major home improvement center there stocks Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee and the like, so I'll probably get one of those.  I'm planning some refinishing, and I won't have dust extraction.  So I think Festool is out.
 
If they have 125 volts in Bonaire, you should be able to use your American tools without problem. European tools are 220v, they don't run on 125. The motors can take the difference between 50 and 60 hertz.
 
From what I can find... they have both 127V and 220V, so using US tools might or might not work...
 
antss said:
Kinda like in the USA where we have 120v and 230v  [huh]

No, you have 110, -110 (split phase) and ground. You use -110 and +110 to get 220

What we have in Europe is +230 in three different phases, and ground.
 
Correct. 

And we have that here too in the big cities in buildings that have commercial elevators .  And we use our 110v festools, and boschs and milwaukees in them every day.

Are you trying to tell us that have no ground on that 125v receptacle down there ???
 
Haha, no  [big grin]. But with the +110 / -110 there is no neutral

Here all new houses get 3-phase 230 by default, not only big buildings
 
antss said:
Correct. 

And we have that here too in the big cities in buildings that have commercial elevators .  And we use our 110v festools, and boschs and milwaukees in them every day.

Are you trying to tell us that have no ground on that 125v receptacle down there ???

Actually, our three phase power is not 230V, it is only 208V due to the cycling of the three phases. Don't know if it's the same on the other side of the pond, but worked on plenty of three phase power here.

Clint
 
Yes, the actual measurement is 208V in those buildings.  We sometimes see issues with ovens and cooktops that weren't designed with 208v in mind.

Some of the highline brands have settings that adjust for 208v, while others must be ordered for 208v.

I really wasn't trying to start an engineering discussion, merely saying that if there's 100-130v electricity down there, then American tools should work no problem.
 
thudchkr said:
antss said:
Correct. 

And we have that here too in the big cities in buildings that have commercial elevators .  And we use our 110v festools, and boschs and milwaukees in them every day.

Are you trying to tell us that have no ground on that 125v receptacle down there ???

Actually, our three phase power is not 230V, it is only 208V due to the cycling of the three phases. Don't know if it's the same on the other side of the pond, but worked on plenty of three phase power here.

Clint

No, it's different here. Single phase is 230V, so between the phases is 400V (3^0.5 * 230). This allows for 11 kW induction cooktops on a single 5-prong plug (3 phases, neutral, ground) with a block of 16A fuses. How, if even possible, do you connect such a cooktop in the US?

But I can't make sense from what the wiki says about North American three phase;

A variation is the 240 V delta 4-wire system, also known as a high-leg or red-leg delta. This is a three-phase 240 V delta connected system, in which one winding of the transformer has a center tap which is connected to ground and used as the system neutral. This allows a single service to supply 120 V for lighting, 240 V single-phase for heating appliances, and 240 V three-phase for motor loads (such as air conditioning compressors). Two of the phases are 120 V to neutral, the third phase or "high leg" is 208 V to neutral.

[huh]
 
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