Festool's KAPEX Statement

Bob Marino

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For those that missed it; this is Festool's anouncemnet/statement/explanation sent via email to Festool dealers, regarding the " scraping" on the Kapex. This took some time, because Festool wanted to properly research and test, using every and all means at hand, so they can make the statement with confidence.
Bob

Kapex technical issue:
A technical issue has become apparent simultaneously and coincidentally with the U.S. market launch. The issue involves the free movement of the table of the saw through the full miter range. We have recently concluded that the clearance of the locking mechanism is creating an operational issue. 

Abnormal operation:

When the Kapex miter lock is engaged, the saw can lock infinitely to any miter angle throughout the entire range. This is accomplished by a post that rides on the top of the scale and a spring steel plate that engages the bottom of the miter scale. To allow free movement throughout the radius of that scale when the handle is unlocked, there must be a gap present between the spring steel plate (black plate under the handle) and the bottom of the miter scale. This gap should be between 0.2mm and 0.4mm, measuring between the spring steel plate and bottom of the miter scale when unlocked. Too much gap between the spring steel plate and the miter scale will prevent the saw from locking aggressively as it was designed.

Normal operation:

1. The miter lock handle is shipped in the locked position. The Kapex utilizes a cam action lock to firmly secure the saw to the desired miter angle. To release the lock, the handle should be pulled firmly upward until the lock is disengaged. This motion can be felt and heard.

2. Once unlocked it is possible to move the saw through the entire miter range from 50? left to 60? right.  During this movement it is possible to encounter an audible and definitive clicking sound as the saw is engaging the miter presets across the range. To avoid engaging the stops and the related sound, the lock handle is equipped with a detent override that allows the saw to bypass these stops.

Resolution:

This issue does not affect every saw. We have already examined all units in our inventory for this issue. Saws that measured a gap of less than 0.2mm were less than 4% of our total inventory. We will continue to monitor and inspect incoming units. Our production line in Germany is duplicating this effort as well at the production line. In addition our sales force has already spot examined and corrected units that dealers already received prior to the discovery of this issue. 

If you or your customer experiences this difficulty, please contact us immediately.

1. Contact your RSM to arrange in field service. They may be able to arrange a visit to update any units with new spring steel plates which are arriving this next week and can service tools in your inventory.

2. Contact Festool Service at 800-554-8741 to arrange obtaining a free replacement spring steel plate or to arrange repair. This repair is covered under warranty and will be performed, to include shipping, free of charge.

The Kapex has already been on the global market for nearly a year before launching in the U.S. This issue was not present until this time and is a recent development. Corrections have been made in production and this issue should be fully resolved soon.

 
Bob,
Thank you very much for posting this!  It's great to have something like this from the company, to help clear up confusion and hopefully smooth out any issues people are having.
The Kapex is a major tool release, so I'd be very interested to hear more of how members resolve any issues with this saw.
Thanks again,
Matthew
 
Matthew Schenker said:
It's great to have something like this from the company, to help clear up confusion and hopefully smooth out any issues people are having.

appreciate you posting this bob.  i have a few issues with my kapex, one of them was the spring plate.  i will say it was very simple to change the plate, took only a minute and it did solve my scrapping problem on the miter scale - sean

 
Bob Marino said:
The Kapex has already been on the global market for nearly a year before launching in the U.S. This issue was not present until this time and is a recent development. Corrections have been made in production and this issue should be fully resolved soon.
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Bob, do you happen to know if Festool changed parts suppliers, or what exactly was the reason the spring plate became an issue?  It just seems odd that the saw was on the "global market" for nearly a year and never had any problems, yet once it hit the U.S. problems surfaced?  So, something must have changed on the saw, be it the parts, suppliers, etc to cause this issue, as from the statement, the saw was fine globally, and problems only started when the saw was released in the U.S.?

Mike
 
MiterMaster said:
Bob Marino said:
The Kapex has already been on the global market for nearly a year before launching in the U.S. This issue was not present until this time and is a recent development. Corrections have been made in production and this issue should be fully resolved soon.
[/b] [/i]

Bob, do you happen to know if Festool changed parts suppliers, or what exactly was the reason the spring plate became an issue?  It just seems odd that the saw was on the "global market" for nearly a year and never had any problems, yet once it hit the U.S. problems surfaced?  So, something must have changed on the saw, be it the parts, suppliers, etc to cause this issue, as from the statement, the saw was fine globally, and problems only started when the saw was released in the U.S.?

Mike

Mike,

I just don't know the answer at this point

Bob
 
I haven't noticed anything, but haven't made any miter cuts either...
So what is the problem, and how do I ascertain if mine is okay?
 
Thanks for forwarding the info Bob

It is nice to hear they've found an issue and all saws will be checked from now on.

I talked to a dealer earlier this week and he tells me only 2 of the 70 saws he sold have had issues

Dan Clermont
 
I don't mean to be offensive but: that statement is white washing over a weak design- its right out of the GM playbook. My saw either doesn't turn or doesn't lock securely.Just look at all the posts on this site many people have gotten 3 or 4 bad saws, there are even people who have checked several saws at the retailer before getting a good one. It is my personal opinion that the design tolerance of the miter lock is too tight to pull off consistantly in the factory.... yes some saws will be good but if the design is that tight how will it hold up as it wears... Yes i am sure Festool will stand by it but I would rather not have to have it fixed  wasted time is wasted time.
 
Toller said:
I haven't noticed anything, but haven't made any miter cuts either...
So what is the problem, and how do I ascertain if mine is okay?

I can understand why you're unsure about your saw's operation. Apparently you and I were the only one's to actually read Festool statement. Bob, did you make some kind of gross mistake in posting Festool's statement? If not the person at Festool that wrote this statement needs to get off the sauce during work hours!  ;)

Bob Marino said:
Kapex technical issue:
A technical issue has become apparent simultaneously and coincidentally with the U.S. market launch. The issue involves the free movement of the table of the saw through the full miter range. We have recently concluded that the clearance of the locking mechanism is creating an operational issue. 


Unless I don't know what the issue really is, this part of the statement (in bold) is incomplete and for our purposes here doesn't help members to fully understand the problem. Since this statement seems to be for dealers and not end users I'll accept that a full description of the problem may not be warranted. Moving on.

Abnormal operation:

When the Kapex miter lock is engaged, the saw can lock infinitely to any miter angle throughout the entire range. This is accomplished by a post that rides on the top of the scale and a spring steel plate that engages the bottom of the miter scale. To allow free movement throughout the radius of that scale when the handle is unlocked, there must be a gap present between the spring steel plate (black plate under the handle) and the bottom of the miter scale. This gap should be between 0.2mm and 0.4mm, measuring between the spring steel plate and bottom of the miter scale when unlocked. Too much gap between the spring steel plate and the miter scale will prevent the saw from locking aggressively as it was designed.

This portion describes the normal operation not the abnormal operation. How was this not caught before this statement was sent out or posted here?

Normal operation:

1. The miter lock handle is shipped in the locked position. The Kapex utilizes a cam action lock to firmly secure the saw to the desired miter angle. To release the lock, the handle should be pulled firmly upward until the lock is disengaged. This motion can be felt and heard.

2. Once unlocked it is possible to move the saw through the entire miter range from 50? left to 60? right.  During this movement it is possible to encounter an audible and definitive clicking sound as the saw is engaging the miter presets across the range. To avoid engaging the stops and the related sound, the lock handle is equipped with a detent override that allows the saw to bypass these stops.

The sentence and part of the next in bold can be a bit confusing. The detent override must be pressed to avoid the saw from engaging in the miter detents, however, even with the override fully pressed you may still hear the clicking as the saw moves past the detents.

Resolution:

This issue does not affect every saw. We have already examined all units in our inventory for this issue. Saws that measured a gap of less than 0.2mm were less than 4% of our total inventory. We will continue to monitor and inspect incoming units. Our production line in Germany is duplicating this effort as well at the production line. In addition our sales force has already spot examined and corrected units that dealers already received prior to the discovery of this issue. 

If you or your customer experiences this difficulty, please contact us immediately.

1. Contact your RSM to arrange in field service. They may be able to arrange a visit to update any units with new spring steel plates which are arriving this next week and can service tools in your inventory.

2. Contact Festool Service at 800-554-8741 to arrange obtaining a free replacement spring steel plate or to arrange repair. This repair is covered under warranty and will be performed, to include shipping, free of charge.

You have to read down to number 2 for end users to get to the resolution, call your dealer or Festool's service dept. to receive a new spring plate (or have your saw repaired in necessary).

I can't understand how this statement ever made it out of Festool's office. I hope we get a corrected statement posted here soon.

 
Dan Clermont said:
Thanks for forwarding the info Bob

It is nice to hear they've found an issue and all saws will be checked from now on.

I talked to a dealer earlier this week and he tells me only 2 of the 70 saws he sold have had issues

Dan Clermont

Well Dan, this dealer may only know of two saws with issues, that doesn't mean there is more. People may not have reported their problem with the dealer or may not know this problem isn't normal. 2 of 70 that he knows of.
 
glass1 said:
I don't mean to be offensive but: that statement is white washing over a weak design- its right out of the GM playbook. My saw either doesn't turn or doesn't lock securely.Just look at all the posts on this site many people have gotten 3 or 4 bad saws, there are even people who have checked several saws at the retailer before getting a good one. It is my personal opinion that the design tolerance of the miter lock is too tight to pull off consistantly in the factory.... yes some saws will be good but if the design is that tight how will it hold up as it wears... Yes i am sure Festool will stand by it but I would rather not have to have it fixed   wasted time is wasted time.

I agree with you.  I WAS PERSONALY TOLD BY DAN THE FESTOOL REP for North Carolina, that HE PERSONALLY OPENED the box that my 3rd kapex was in and he checked the plate and swore to me that it was fine and that he would do anything he could to help me.  THEN WHY when I set up that saw and turned the table FOR THE FIRST TIME did it scrape so bad it was unbelievable.  I WAS SO P' OD I called woodcraft and let them here the scraping over the phone!! and then put the same message and sound on dan's voice mail. which I am sure he also heard.  it was terrible.
and this was just last SATURDAY!. took it back got #4 and the same thing. switched plate they gave me just in case.... and it still scrapes a little.

SO WHEN DID THEY START CHECKING THIS OUT?

so only 4% of the inventory,  I doubt it.
 
honeydokreg said:
I agree with you.  I WAS PERSONALY TOLD BY DAN THE FESTOOL REP for North Carolina, that HE PERSONALLY OPENED the box that my 3rd kapex was in and he checked the plate and swore to me that it was fine and that he would do anything he could to help me.  THEN WHY when I set up that saw and turned the table FOR THE FIRST TIME did it scrape so bad it was unbelievable. 

did you not check the saw yourself at the store, that is really bad that they pulled this on you, saying it is fine - he must not have even looked at it, or worse if he did look at it must not know what he is looking for!  my friend just got a kapex and the table is very unlevel, there is a huge gap in the middle of the table, i will take pic soon and post here - sean

 
Sean said:
honeydokreg said:
I agree with you.  I WAS PERSONALY TOLD BY DAN THE FESTOOL REP for North Carolina, that HE PERSONALLY OPENED the box that my 3rd kapex was in and he checked the plate and swore to me that it was fine and that he would do anything he could to help me.  THEN WHY when I set up that saw and turned the table FOR THE FIRST TIME did it scrape so bad it was unbelievable. 

did you not check the saw yourself at the store, that is really bad that they pulled this on you, saying it is fine - he must not have even looked at it, or worse if he did look at it must not know what he is looking for!  my friend just got a kapex and the table is very unlevel, there is a huge gap in the middle of the table, i will take pic soon and post here - sean

I was told that # 3 had been checked by the rep and witnessed by the store.  so I did not check.  # 4 I checked at the store and it was fine as far as the table turning.  then I took it and after about 10-12 turns it started to scrape!  and that is when I switched plates.

 
Brice Burrell said:
Toller said:
I haven't noticed anything, but haven't made any miter cuts either...
So what is the problem, and how do I ascertain if mine is okay?

I can understand why you're unsure about your saw's operation. Apparently you and I were the only one's to actually read Festool statement. Bob, did you make some kind of gross mistake in posting Festool's statement? If not the person at Festool that wrote this statement needs to get off the sauce during work hours!  ;)
  Brice,

This is their statement as of about 3 weeks to a month ago. It was ok to post.

Bob
 
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