FINALLY a recip saw, with dust collection even!

[bwehman]

As a remodeler, I'm super pumped about this.

 

[Packard]

I’ve been thinking back on where I have used my Sawzall, and none of those were places where I worried about dust.

I demoed a outdoor deck.

I demoed part of a wall in the house. 

I see dust collection as a “gadget” that attracts some buyers, but will likely be of little use.  It adds cost and size and weight.  I would not be sold on the saw based on dust collection.

 

[Michael Kellough]

[member=74278]Packard[/member]  never used one overhead?

 

[six-point socket II]

Dust collection is not about a tidy worksite/ happy customer.

Dust collection is first and foremost about health, especially for those who are exposed to it every day, 8 hrs. or more. And it doesn't matter if you inhale dust inside or outside - it's bad.

The happy customer aka "housewife"/"houseman" is merely a small additional benefit of an overall healthy environment for everyone to work in.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I agree with Michael Kellough, definitely not a gadget. Particularly in a professional remodeling setting where you're performing "precision" work in an existing, furnished home, and/or have the health/safety of employees to consider.

I've been using the HILTI collection adapter on my HILTI recip saw:https://www.hilti.com/c/CLS_DUST_MGMT_VACUUM_CLEAN_7125/CLS_DUST_MANAGEMENT_FOR_SAWING_7125/2183224

It works best on fine dust (drywall, plaster, etc...), larger chips can clog it. Wouldn't buy a recip saw without the option going forward.... 

 

[sancho57]

But how much is the Festool recip saw gonna cost?

Thats it isnt it, is it going to be cost effective to buy one?

I can see paying more as festool is more costly but it can get to a point where its cost prohibited

 

[six-point socket II]

German prices:

Basic: 435,05 Euro
with batteries & charger: 779,88 Euro

Both prices include German VAT of 19%.

UK prices:

Basic: 394,84 Pounds
with batteries & charger: 707,78 Pounds

Both prices include UK VAT.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Erich]

I'm going to stick with my trusty 25-year old Milwaukee.  "Paging, Dr. Sawzall to surgery."

 

[Michael Kellough]

I’m don’t know a lot about 3D printing but making adapters for the various recip. saw shoes seems like a market opportunity.

 

[Cheese]

I tend to agree with Packard and I'm not a casual Sawzall user, over the years I've owned 8-10 different Milwaukee Sawzalls. Currently, I keep a cordless in the garage and a cordless & corded down in the shop, they're used for everything.

There have been times however, like when cutting into a plaster wall or drywall ceiling that ANY form of dust collection would have been a huge game changer and that dust attachment would be a worthwhile expenditure.

I can also see that it would be nice if you were removing old windows and needed to cut the window frame in several places. But for general renovation...not so much.

My largest concern is how smooth is this new Festool/Flex saw and how robust is the reciprocating mechanism. I remember 25+ years ago when Dewalt decided to first enter the Sawzall market, the plethora of issues the construction community had with the new Dewalt offering. Once the metal or wood item was cut partially through and the blade was pinched, the reciprocating mechanism destroyed itself within seconds/minutes. 

Milwaukee has been making these things since 1953 so there's 70 years of history here.

Milwaukee Sawzall circa 1953.

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[guybo]

I’m don’t know a lot about 3D printing but making adapters for the various recip. saw shoes seems like a market opportunity.

Hi, it's uncanny how close these dust shoes for the carvex and the recip saw are.

 

[jaguar36]

I don't get the point of combining dust collection and cordless tools.  If you're going to have a hose, why not make it a AC powered as well?

 

[squall_line]

I don't get the point of combining dust collection and cordless tools.  If you're going to have a hose, why not make it a AC powered as well?

In my experience in using an HKC with a collector for demolishing a deck, it's highly convenient to be able to un-tether from the extractor as needed while still having the collector available for the majority of the work.  Further, when working on site, having only the hose to catch and snag is much better than wrangling both the hose and cord.

In a shop, the convenience/snag aspect is still there, just not nearly to the same degree.

 

[Chainring]

I don't get the point of combining dust collection and cordless tools.  If you're going to have a hose, why not make it a AC powered as well?

I need a full sheet of ply. I don't have a vehicle large enough to transport a full sheet. I also don't want the junky panel saw at the store mangling the sheet. How do I solve this problem?

TSC 55 with dust bag, some way to elevate material a couple of inches off the ground and support the whole sheet. Slap the track down, make a cut or two. Done. I now have a full sheet with a pristine edge exactly where I want and I can transport it, all while making minimal dust.

 

[Spandex]

I don't get the point of combining dust collection and cordless tools.  If you're going to have a hose, why not make it a AC powered as well?

Because you don’t HAVE TO use it with dust extraction. It gives you options and we prefer options, right?

 

[rst]

It's very convenient to have cordless now that cordless vacs as so prevalent.  I have a Milwaukee M18 vac and a Metabo 18v that I have used with sanders, saws and even jointers (planers if Euro).

 

[Michael Kellough]

I don't get the point of combining dust collection and cordless tools.  If you're going to have a hose, why not make it a AC powered as well?

I sort of see your point, but only in that electric recip. saws have big fans that blow the debris all over so cordless saws are less messy already.

 

[Laminator]

Having no cord to hang or be stepped on while cutting is a huge plus.  Having just the hose to contend with is 100% less trouble for me.  Doing some demo recently on my son's house, I had him hold a vac hose to collect from the recip saw and the difference it made was quite beneficial as the mess was almost non existent.

 

[woodferret]

Dunno if they forgot to turn on the vac but that thing was dribbling dust.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Couc9FyMZTP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

[Cheese]

Dunno if they forgot to turn on the vac but that thing was dribbling dust.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Couc9FyMZTP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Dribbling? Now that's being kind.  [smile]

It's getting some of the dust, maybe 30%, but in the real world when doing a demo, it's just not worth the effort of tripping over a vac hose for the small return. Choose your application carefully.