Hoses for Dust Extraction - Advanced Questions

[Dan Clark]

Hi.  I didn't want to hijack Vijay's thread.  This thread is about advanced hose configurations. 

I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a "Before April 1" purchase.  I was going to add a 5m D36 AS hose, but I wonder if that's the best option.  I have a standard AS D27 x 3.5m and a NON-AS D36 x 3.5m hose. 

Hose Needs:

- Better AS hose for HL850 and OF1400
- AS hose from miter saw & lunch box planer to ClearVue Cyclone (hooked to CT22)
- AS hooked to other hoses for longer hose
- Longer AS hose for cleanup nozzles

I'm considering either an AS D36 x 5m or AS D50 x 4m hose.  The D50 x 4m seems to be the better option, but:

- Will it work with the Universal Cleaning Set?

- Is the D50 a better option from the miter saw/lunch box planer to ClearVue Cyclone than the D36?

- If I get the D50, what accessories would I need?  Maybe these?
  - Rotating Adapter(s) D50
  - Hose Reducer D50/D36
  - Connector Sleeve

I'd appreciate any help, but I need it quick. 

Many thanks,

Dan.

p.s. I don't like my NON-AS D36 hose that much, but it works for general cleanup. 

 

[semenza]

Hi,

      Have you tried the non AS d36 on the router?  The d36 makes a big improvement on the tool. So if you don't like the non AS in general, then I would definetly get  an AS d36.
      So the d50 would be mostly for lengthening other hoses?

Seth

 

[Dan Clark]

Seth,

Actually the primary use is to attach to my Clear Vue Cyclone.   

Regards,

Dan.

 

[Bob Marino]

Hi.  I didn't want to hijack Vijay's thread.  This thread is about advanced hose configurations.   

I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a "Before April 1" purchase.  I was going to add a 5m D36 AS hose, but I wonder if that's the best option.   I have a standard AS D27 x 3.5m and a NON-AS D36 x 3.5m hose.   

Hose Needs:

- Better AS hose for HL850 and OF1400
- AS hose from miter saw & lunch box planer to ClearVue Cyclone (hooked to CT22)
- AS hooked to other hoses for longer hose
- Longer AS hose for cleanup nozzles

I'm considering either an AS D36 x 5m or AS D50 x 4m hose.  The D50 x 4m seems to be the better option, but:

- Will it work with the Universal Cleaning Set?

- Is the D50 a better option from the miter saw/lunch box planer to ClearVue Cyclone than the D36?

- If I get the D50, what accessories would I need?   Maybe these?
  - Rotating Adapter(s) D50
  - Hose Reducer D50/D36
  - Connector Sleeve

I'd appreciate any help, but I need it quick.   

Many thanks,

Dan.

p.s. I don't like my NON-AS D36 hose that much, but it works for general cleanup.   

1.  No, the 50 mm hose won't, unless you use adapters.
2.  Good questiion, but I think the 36 mm  will be fine for whatever the miter saw throws at you.
3.  If you want to connect the 50 mm hose to the 36 mm either the  Rotating Connector 452-894 and Connector sleeve 493-047 OR the Hose Reducer 452-897 will be what you need. You wouldn't use the hose reducer with the rotating connector and sleeve.

Bob

 

[Dan Clark]

Bob,

I have hooked up my Bosch miter saw my CT using the Non AS hose.  I worked OK , but with lots of static cling! 

Hmmm...  Nothing like questions to focus the thinking.  I guess my biggest concern is my planer.  It has a 4" outlet hose.  It can throw lots of chips even when I'm not trying too hard.

When I think of reasons to get a new hose, the one thing that I come back to is the planer.  I.e., Planer --> Clear Vue --> CT22.

Regards,

Dan.

 

[Ned]

...the one thing that I come back to is the planer.  I.e., Planer --> Clear Vue --> CT22.

4-inch hose from Planer to Clear Vue, D36 from Clear Vue to CT22 seems like it would work.

I have a 4-inch to 2-inch adapter on my planer's dust hood.  Cheapo hose from Sears Craftsman vac fits that connection and also attaches to the CT22.

Ned

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Seth,

Actually the primary use is to attach to my Clear Vue Cyclone.   

Regards,

Dan.

I'd go with 50mm for the planer.  I curently have a 4" hose coupled to a 2.5 HP Oneida cyclone for my 10" planer/jointer, but I used to collect the chips from a 12" Belsaw planer with a 2 1/2" hose coupled to my Craftsman shop vac.  The hood on that Belsaw was very well designed and positioned such that the chips were thrown directly off the knives in the direction of desired flow in the hose.  If that wasn't the case, it would not have worked very well.

My knowledge of Festool's 50mm hose offerings is limited to the short length supplied with the Boom Arm, and I also have a Hose Reducer D50/D36 Item #452897.  Both ends of 50mm hose have the same fittings (Rotating Connector Item #452896) which are are a male design for connecting to Festool's vacuum machine or into Connector Sleeve Item # 493047 or into Hose Reducer #452897, and will not fit the cleaning tools of the universal cleaning set (or any Festool hand held power tool that I know of).  I note that 50mm hoses Item #452888 and Item #452890 are stated in the 2007 catalogue to include a reducing sleeve, but I have never seen one of these.  Note that lower on the same page (133) of the 2007 catalogue, there is no reducing sleeve listed for the 50mm hoses!!   The cleaning tools and hand held power tools are sized to work with tool end fittings of either the 27mm (Item #452892) or 36mm (Item #452894)hoses. I have an assortment of both Festool and Fein cleaning tools.  (To my disappointment , neither makes a brush with soft bristles.)  The elastomeric 27mm tool end fitting goes inside the tools of the cleaning set, and in contrast the 36mm fitting goes over the outside of the tools of the cleaning set (note that the Festool 36mm tool end fitting fits very nicely inside the handle of Fein floor sweep tool).  The Hose Reducer D50/D36 Item #452897 is made of hard plastic; it is not elastomeric as are the tool end fittings of both the 27mm and 36mm hose.  That Hose Reducer D50/D36 Item #452897 enables coupling the factory supplied couplings at either end of the 50mm hose to the 36mm hose.  I have not tried connecting a bare 36mm hose (no end fitting) to it.

Dave R

 

[merklebob]

you need to remember that as the hose get larger the air velocity goes down quickly.  you need the velocity to carry the dust to the  cyclone/collector.  with a planer your in a catch 22, in that they generate a lot of chips and need the larger hose.  in that case keep the hose length short to the cyclone.  for normal collection put a piece of truly clear tubing no mer that 5' for the cyclone.  this allows you to see if the dust is still moving.  you can reposition the hose in the line to test how the dust is flowing.

 

[greg mann]

See my post in the ClearVue thread for my experiences with your questions.

 

[Mahogany Man]

Dan,
In the thread I started over here:
I used a DW 735 planer with a 2 inch hose into the Clear Vue powered by a CT33. The planer has a chip blower built into it, I was concerned about that,
but it had no effect on the system. The supplied Dewalt chip hose and bag has a 4" hose, but before it hits the hose the chute is reduced to 2". (not by me, but rather Dewalt).
The hose length from the planer to cyclone was 12' and the CT hose was 6' long
I planed for an hour or so, with superior results!! Nothing ever plugged or slowed. The boards were white oak 9/4 thick by about 9" wide 9' long, I took an1/8" each pass, pretty good test or so I thought.
At first static was an issue from the planer to the cyclone, I just attached a copper wire from the planer to the barrel, this eliminated static charge.
HTH
John

 

[Dan Clark]

Gentlemen,

We have a decision!!!  The correct hose from my DW735 planer to the Cyclone is...

An old, cheesy 6' hose from my old cheesy shop vac!  After John's comment above,  I decide to take off the 4" expandable hose from my DW735.  Guess what?!?  Just as John stated, there is an adapter plate that takes the 4" hose down to about 2 1/8".  So even with the 4" hose (going to a trash can), it was being restricted by a 2-18" port!  And...

That DW735 connector port fits my old, cheesy 6' shop vac hose on one end and the ClearVue Cyclone on the other end!  And of course, my current D50 x 2.5m hose for my Boom Arm fits into the top of the ClearVue perfectly (I already knew that).  If static is an issue, I can wind a wire around the shop vac hose and then to the D50 hose like John did.  Since my key need for the 2" hose is for stuff like my planer and future tools like maybe a band saw or small jointer, I think I'm set for that.  Score!!!  ;D ;D ;D

And of course, that frees me to choose a nice LONGER AS hose for my HL850, OF1400, and miter saw.  So it looks like I'll get the AS D35 x 5m.  This is an excellent solution!!!  ;D

For everyone who responded, please accept my sincere appreciation for the great feedback.  However, I have one last question...

What the heck are is the "Rotating adapter, D 1 7/16", antistatic, D 36 DAG-AS, hose/vac connector" used for?

Best regards,
Dan.

 

[Ned]

What the heck are is the "Rotating adapter, D 1 7/16", antistatic, D 36 DAG-AS, hose/vac connector" used for?

First, it may not matter, since the USA website marks it as "display only" (= extinct).

Taking hints from the name and the pic, I think it plugs into the CT, and uh, the other end, uh, connects somehow to something that's D36 and, uh, can rotate!  Yeah, that's it.  And I'm sure it's antistatic.

HTH,
Ned 

Correction:  Now that Festool USA no longer sells directly to customers over the web, everything is marked "Display Only".  Doesn't mean "extinct".

 

[Dave Ronyak]

What the heck are is the "Rotating adapter, D 1 7/16", antistatic, D 36 DAG-AS, hose/vac connector" used for?

First, it may not matter, since the USA website marks it as "display only" (= extinct).

Taking hints from the name and the pic, I think it plugs into the CT, and uh, the other end, uh, connects somehow to something that's D36 and, uh, can rotate!  Yeah, that's it.  And I'm sure it's antistatic.

HTH,
Ned 

I think he's (Ned) got it!!  But is that fitting supplied at one end of a 50 mm hose under Item #45288 or Item #452890 both of which entries in the 2007 catalogue indicate the 50 mm hose is supplied with a rotating connector and REDUCING SLEEVE.  That fitting might enable these 50 mm hoses to be used with the sweeping tools.

Dave R.

Dave R.

 

[Dan Clark]

Well, I think I fully and completely, might and maybe uhhh... possibly understand.  Perhaps.

Dan.

 

[Corwin]

Little late for me to go check part numbers from past invoices, but I have a some pictures of this in my photo gallery.

That is a D36 Rotating Adapter which allows the hose to connect to a Connector Sleeve.

 

[Dan Clark]

Corwin,

I hear you, but I thought they came with a rotating sleeve.  I wonder it that's just a replacement sleeve?

Thanks,

Dan.

 

[Bob Marino]

Dan,

Check this out.

Bob

 

[Dan Clark]

Bob,

This is great!  So when will it be in the catalog (It's great sales material, you know.)

Another thought...  These Tech Notes should be available on the FestoolUsa site.  They provide great information.  (FOG would also be a good place, but they are official Festool documents.)

Regards,

Dan.

 

[Ned]

So let's see if I understand the tech note Bob showed us:

1.  To connect two AS hoses, retaining the anti-static capability, you'll always use a #493047 connector sleeve.  The connector sleeve connects two 50mm male ends.

2.  To connect two D50 hoses, you don't need anything but the sleeve.

3.  To connect D36 and/or D27 hoses, one of them must have 50mm males at both ends (one for the vac, one for the connector sleeve).  The #452894 rotating adapter is the D36 AS, the #452893 is D36 non-AS, and the #452892 is the D27 AS.

[This is no substitute for reading the tech note.  There's other good info in there, including installation instructions.]

Ned

 

[T. Michael]

Dan, I see you've already made a decision, but let me chime in my thoughts as well; perhaps to urge you on to a better, less 'zappy' world.

Long ago I talked about my vac-clear view system on the FOG.  I went with the AS - 50 hose from the cyclone to the vac for two reasons. One was to reduce restricition in the line, since it must make about 270 degrees of bend to get from the top of the cyclone to the side of the CT-33. Second, I wrapped a copper wire from the AS hose to the CT then around the AS hose to my tool (which ever it may be); thereby keeping the AS feature at the tool.  Before I did this, I was getting shocks off my Domino, since the hose runs right by your hand during operation. Works great.

I also mounted the Cycolone on a very trickily cut board that I fasten to the top of the CT with the existing green clips.  There are lots of little ins and outs to cut  into the board, but this makes a nice portable unit that doesn't fall over.

Hope this helps, I'm making my own list of must buy's before April 1st, both for Festool, and Felder (who are also going to have an April 1's price increase of an undisclosed amount, but I'm told it will be 10 to 15%.

Mike