how do YOU prepare your wood?

ecks79

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Hi guys,

I've always purchased my timber dressed, and to the best of my knowledge - ready to use.

The more people i talk to, and projects i see others produce, the more i see people are ripping boards then putting them through jointers, planers and thicknessers.

Do all serious furniture makers do this? or is this personal preference? I'm not a serious cabinet or furniture maker... but i would like to start taking it more seriously. At the same time, can you get away with only a thicknesser?

Thanks for any comments and opinions!

Tony
 
hi tony.

the tried and tested way of straightening timber is to start off with a jointer.
start getting an edge planed first then run a side through. this should create a dressed edge and side with a true 90 degree angle.
then its off to the table saw to rip the timber to width/thickness.
next up is the thicknesser to dress both sides and the other edge.  low and behold you have a nice straight, square piece of timber.

now that i use festool, i start off with the ts-55 to create a straight edge, i then clean this edge with a hand plane or electric planer.
then i use the table saw to rip the timber to thickness.
this works for most applications onsite and for my own purposes when making small furniture.

if i had the space and money, i would like to buy a jointer, but for my own purposes the festools work perfectly.

i am sure other people have their own ideas and techniques.

justin.
 
Thanks for the insight Justin. So essentially the idea is to start by creating a square edge (TS-55 on a track i presume?), then using that square edge we just created against the fence, rip everything to width?
 
More often than not, I buy raw lumber. I have a Ridgid benchtop planer which does an excellent job. First I use my TS55 to give me a straight edge. Then I use a planer sled which I built to joint one face. Flip it over and use the planer to dress the opposite face. TS55 on the 4th edge completes the job.

With the planer sled you do not need a jointer. It also allows you to joint boards up to 12 or 13 inches wide.

Raw wood is so much cheaper than dressed wood. The planer which cost $500 pays for itself very quickly. You can also fine-tune the thickness of the wood as your project goes on. Recently, I was making a cove moulding for the top of a cabinet. The only way I could determine what the appropriate size of the moulding should be was to keep thinning it until it looked right.

Richard.

P.S. I know the terminology for jointers and planers changes around the world. From wikipedia:-

The term planer may refer to several types of carpentry tools, woodworking machines or metalworking machine tools.

    * Plane (tool): a hand tool used to produce flat surfaces by shaving the surface of the wood
    * Jointer (North America) or planer (UK and Australia): a woodworking machine for making flat surfaces and straight edges on boards
    * Planer (metalworking): a metalworking machine-tool having a reciprocating work table and a stationary cutting tool
    * Thickness planer (North America) or thicknesser (UK and Australia): a woodworking machine for making boards of even thickness
 
Thanks Richard!

Would a thicknesser do the same job as a jointer for the face surfaces? for example like this dewalt - http://www.sydneytools.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=1712

TS55 the edges, then put it through the thicknesser to ensure the surfaces/faces are flat? then table saw to width - job done?

I see what you mean about it potentially making it's money back quickly!!
 
Hi Chris.

Thanks for your feedback, after the last job i did... i could only dream of having such dead straight timber :-)

I guess the battle im fighting (in my head) is... can i really afford a jointer and thicknesser etc to do this... or is there another way? the bigger issue is workshop space.

I have the CMS TS55 setup in the shop, and im thinking i could probably afford the space if i got a thicknesser - but is that really all i NEED to be in a better position than i am currently, or is a jointer also absolutely neccesary. I thought a thicknesser would do the faces, and i could use the table saw to create a straight edge.

 
Tony,

Depending on the species of wood you are looking to use, you might be able to get your wood surfaced two sides.  Then the majority of the work has been done for you, but you can then joint an edge using the TS-55 and then cut to width.  That doesn't ensure that the thickness of all the wood will be the same.  I run them all thru a thickness planer to ensure consistency of thickness.  This option is not always available, but it does reduce the cost of the lumber to some degree.

Peter
 
ecks79 said:
Would a thicknesser do the same job as a jointer for the face surfaces?

A jointer creates a flat surface. A thickness planer creates a piece of wood of uniform thickness, but not necessarily straight. The wood is flattened as it makes its way through the planer, and then it springs back to whatever non-flat shape it was in after that process.
 
ecks79 said:
Thanks Richard!

Would a thicknesser do the same job as a jointer for the face surfaces? for example like this dewalt - http://www.sydneytools.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=1712

TS55 the edges, then put it through the thicknesser to ensure the surfaces/faces are flat? then table saw to width - job done?

I see what you mean about it potentially making it's money back quickly!!

In a word, no. The two faces will be flat after using the thicknesser, but they may not be co-planar (i.e. parallel to each other). They could also be concave or convex along the length of the board if they are longer than 18 inches or so.

Check out this video on making a planer sled.

http://www.finewoodworking.com/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesArticle.aspx?id=5245

Then you can get by without the need for a jointer. The Dewalt thicknesser you referred to is a very-highly regarded tool. I have a similar one from Ridgid. TS55 plus a thicknesser will satisfy all your milling needs I believe.

There is also a really good video from the Wood Whisperer on milling lumber. I think it was one of the very first episodes.

This forum is all about sharing info so you have definitely come to the right place to get the answers to your questions.

Richard.

 
Well I've (since i first had a source) purchased rought lumber for several reasons.  Mainly prefinished lumber does not leave me much room for error.  By that I mean as you take lumber from the store to your environment to work it, it's going to move on you.   It can cup twist or generally do some unwanted things.   If I have rough lumber and let it sit in my shop for a while take it down to close to finished size if it does something funny, I still can work with it.  If its alread at finished dimensions and it moves, I'm hurt'n.   Now there are many ways to skin a cat.   I would put a planer (you called a thicknesser) on a priority if you want an easier time of taking rough stock to a certain thickness.  However remember that device will only mak two faces parallel.  You need to start with one of those faces flat.   You can do that many ways as well. You could build a sled and use the planer (there are plans galore on the internet.   You can use hand planes and winding sticks (did that works great) or you can own a jointer (what I use now) a jointer makes life easier but I did many projects starting with rough stock using a scrub plane to get it started and a #7 plane to take it flat.  Then ran it through my planer to finish it.   In the long run you will also save a lot of money doing it yourself.    
 
There is one further thing to add about rough lumber. Often I need a wide board, say 10" by 24" long. Maybe for a door panel?

Because surfaced lumber will be straightened and ripped into long narrow boards of an even width, I will usually have to joint two pieces together to get a wide board. But with rough lumber, I can prepare the widest section of the board and and have one nice wide piece, even if the rest of the board is only 6" wide.

This happened recently with some birdseye maple. In parts of the 10' board, the usable maple was only 5" wide and 1/2" thick. But in a critical middle section, I had 8" by 1" thick. Result? Two sweet cabinet door panels with no jointing necessary.

Richard.
 
A thickness planer just assures that the workpiece is the same thickness along the length of a board.  But it does *not* take the warping out (cupping, twist, bowing, bending, etc).  That task is handled by a jointer.  The purpose of a jointer is to cut off the "high" spots as you pass the wood over the blades.  The technique is normally to apply only light pressure down on the wood, so the board stays in its warped state, and you are shaving off the irregular part of the shape.

This is a weird example, but imagine the letter "H", as the view of the board *from the end*.  If you pass this H over a jointer enough times, you take off the lower material in increments.  What you wind up with is a nice flat "U"  (imagine the "H" without the legs).  That's the premise of a jointer.  After getting a nice flattened side you run it thorugh a planer.  The thickness planer will then make the board of uniform thickness, and the other side parallel to the first.  Assuming your properly flattened the first side you wind up with a board that is flat, straight, and of a certain thickness throughout.
In my weird example, after you joint and plane the board you wind up with a simple hyphen shape "-".  This represents the body of the board, and what was the middle line of our original "H".

As Richard Leon stated, you can make a planer sled that allows you to use a planer like an upside-down jointer.  I have not personally used a planer sled, but I've read about them and they can be very effective.

As far as the ripping length edges.  I use the TS55 to cut the first line. After jointing one side I rip the board on the tablesaw to establish the other straight edge.  Flip the board end-to-end and cut to nearly-finished width.  Then I plane them.
The reason for the second tablesaw cut is that the initial straight line rip with the TS55 might have some amount of a bevel, if the board is badly warped. But it's straight enough for the jointing activities and to make a squaring rip.  So the final tablesaw rip is to make sure both edges are clean and at 90 degrees.
 
Interesting thread - lots of ways to skin a cat, no?
I don't have much to add, but its a subject near and dear, so here goes anyhow...

This is the process I use for furniture or other projects with significant joinery:

1. Buy rough, thick lumber, looking for straight grain (unless you need figure for show).

2. Unless the lumber has been stored locally in conditions similar to your shop, store it for a couple of weeks to let it come to stable moisture content (MC), especially if your project will also use wood already in your shop.  You want everything to start at a similar MC.

3. Using a chop saw, hand saw, whatever, lop off an inch from the 'painted' ends so you can see if there are any checks at the end of the board.  Repeat as necessary until both ends are check free.

4. Lay out all your finished pieces in chalk on the rough lumber.  If grain direction is important, take a handplane and clean the board off so you can see the grain.  Draw cut lines allowing for a couple inches extra length around each part.  Do not cut anything smaller than a foot (combine several smaller pieces into a single cut if needed).

5.  Cut the rough lumber following the cutlines above.  If the pieces are more than an inch wider than you need, rough rip them to desired width + 1/2 inch.

6.  Evaluate each piece for cupping and grain direction.  You will want to run the piece on the jointer with the concave (if there is one) face down, running with the grain.  Think of petting a cat, run your hand in the direction of the fur, he purrs, run it against the fur, he bites.  Mark an arrow on each piece indicating which way to run it on the jointer.  Stack your work near the jointer in order.  Have a place to put your jointed pieces nearby.

7.  Face joint a piece until it is flat.  Put the flat piece against the jointer fence and joint an edge flat and perpendicular to the jointed face (remember grain direction again).  Test the two jointed sides for flat and square.  MARK THE TWO EDGES NOW TO SHOW THEY ARE DONE.  Repeat this process with the remaining pieces.

8.  Go to the thickness planer and stack all your work as it should be fed into the planer (grain direction again).  The marked face should be facing down.  Set the planer to the height of your thickest piece, and run the pieces through.  If a piece is smooth, but still extra thick, plane from the jointed face (taking roughly equal amounts of wood from each face makes it more stable).  Set each piece aside when it is 1/32 thicker than needed.

9.  Stack the wood with stickers to allow air circulation and let it sit for a day or so.  You will probably get a couple of pieces not quite square any more.  Take these back to the jointer and correct as needed (remember you only have 1/32 of thickness left).

10.  Plane everything to final thickness. 

11. Rip each piece to final width + 1/32.  Joint the sawn face on the jointer in one pass only.

12. Your pieces are still long.  Evaluate each piece for the final length cut.  This is your opportunity to remove snipe and other shortcomings.  Cut each end to ensure squareness.

You are done!

If you are not going to use all the pieces right away, stop before step nine.  Do step nine the day you are going to do the joinery.

I know that was long and it probably sounds pretty anal, but in the end it will save time and improve your enjoyment of woodworking.  Flat, square wood is easier to fit and produces better results.  If you are skeptical, on your next project, ask the lumber yard to mill your boards four square to target thickness.  I think you will find the results amazing.

This is just my way, not being critical of the other good methods above!  I've used most of them, especially the planer sled, and this is what I have settled on.

 
Jesse I see one problem with the order. # 5

Most of the rough wood I get can not be not ripped at all before you joint it.  I guess that's fine if you order one side straight line cut ,other wise ripping a rough piece before jointing can give you some mean kickback if you can get the piece through the table saw at all, It can also create a ton of waste depending on how squirrelly the edges are.

I guess you you can rip it with a Track saw.
 
ecks79 said:
Hi Chris.

Thanks for your feedback, after the last job i did... i could only dream of having such dead straight timber :-)

I guess the battle im fighting (in my head) is... can i really afford a jointer and thicknesser etc to do this... or is there another way? the bigger issue is workshop space.

I have the CMS TS55 setup in the shop, and im thinking i could probably afford the space if i got a thicknesser - but is that really all i NEED to be in a better position than i am currently, or is a jointer also absolutely neccesary. I thought a thicknesser would do the faces, and i could use the table saw to create a straight edge.

I worked a lot of years without a planer. I have never been without a jointer.  One of the first tools I bought after high school was a jointer.

Do you have access to planer/jointer combo machines? You would have both in about the same footprint as a thickness planer.
 
nickao said:
Jesse I see one problem with the order. # 5

Most of the rough wood I get can not be not ripped at all before you joint it.  I guess that's fine if you order one side straight line cut ,other wise ripping a rough piece before jointing can give you some mean kickback if you can get the piece through the table saw at all, It can also create a ton of waste depending on how squirrelly the edges are.

I guess you you can rip it with a Track saw.

Good catch Nickao.  Ripping cupped lumber on a tablesaw is asking for kickback.  I rip mine on a bandsaw.  Alternatively, you can use a handplane to knock down the cup so its flat enough to saw on the TS.  I wouldn't rip cupped lumber on the track saw either, could grab the blade and cause trouble.

Or, you can just joint it and lose some wood....
 
ecks79 said:
Do all serious furniture makers do this?

I think all serious furniture makers have their method of 4-squaring lumber before cutting joinery.  One notable exception would be chair makers.

If you are a kitchen cabinetmaker and purchase pre made doors and drawers, you can easily getaway with S2S lumber straight from the hardwood supplier.  Face frames with overlay doors and drawers are unbelievably forgiving.
 
Yeah Jesse the band saw really can be the center of a shop. Rough lumber can be easily and safely ripped on that for sure.No kickback and can cut almost anything you want more safely than most any other saw. I think if I could only have one tool it would be the band saw. When people ask what tool to get first without hesitation I refer them to the band saw.

Most any serious shop squares up the lumber but in the last 10 years or so with the cheaper costs to have the lumber cut for you I have seen many shops order the  wood planed and straight line ripped on one side. The wood really can be used from the get go like this for most projects. With the newer blades on a table saw they can get away without jointing too.

I prefer jointer and planer separates and have to have them in my shop.

 
i agree with richard.

the ts-55 and a dewalt thicknesser will cover most of your milling needs.

i have made some beautiful furniture using my ts-55, cms ts-75, and a dewalt dw 735 thicknesser.

its probably not enough to build the sistine chapel, but it suits my needs at the present moment.

justin.
 
Thanks Guys! - that's loads of useful info!! and certainly gives me a few options to work with... a lot! :-)

What i've concluded is, if square lumber is what im looking for - concentrate on that jointer/planer sled first... then a thicknesser. And an all-in-one machine sounds like a perfect solution!

as usual, very resourceful - greatly appreciated guys

Tony

 
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