I love my SawStop PCS but would love this PCS even more (in the case of an activation)

[ChuckS]

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Those horizontal sliders have an enormous footprint. They're not exactly home shop friendly.
It sure would be nice to have that instant reset and non-consumable format.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Felder has done a great job of making the PCS system available on their mid-tier machines, namely the K700 and K740 machines. The immediate reset without destroying the blade and needing a new cartridge are a major improvement over the SawStop tech. Also, the system triggers prior to flesh contact.

Crazyraceguy, yes the "standard" 10' sliders have a big foot print, but I have one crammed into my two stall detached garage, so it's certainly not completely unfeasible.

For what it's worth, the smallest configuration of the K 700 PCS is probably smaller than some SawStop ICS/PCS configurations: https://www.felder-group.com/en-us/...ng-table-panel-saw-k-700-p4129583?vid=3963826

 

[ChuckS]

The K700 PCS is nice, but its price is 4x to 5x the SawStop ICS and PCS, out of reach for most hobbyists. I suppose it has a mobile base.

 

[Hipplewm]

The K700 PCS is nice, but its price is 4x to 5x the SawStop ICS and PCS, out of reach for most hobbyists. I suppose it has a mobile base.

I **think** they are 3 phase as well, so if you don't have that in your shop there is added expense for a transformer/converter thing - and at those HP ratings, you probably can't get by with a "Cheapie"

 

[luvmytoolz]

I **think** they are 3 phase as well, so if you don't have that in your shop there is added expense for a transformer/converter thing - and at those HP ratings, you probably can't get by with a "Cheapie"

I think they have a motor option, so if you're buying new you'll be okay, but still need a decent mains feeds.

 

[onocoffee]

I only know Felder from afar, but I was curious. And since Felder doesn't really show prices on their website, I asked Google. Evidently, for the K 740 S x-motion with PCS, it will cost about $50,000. Just for S&Giggles, I priced up a 7hp ICS with all the trimmings (including slider - I realize they're not quite the same) for $9,357.

If the SawStop brake costs $119 and the Forrest Woodworker II is $170, and you bought that ICS, you could have 140 activations and blade replacements before the expense will have equaled the K740.

 

[ChuckS]

Any hobbyist who owns a SawStop and has triggered its finger-saving feature for more than half a dozen times (for whatever reasons) since ownership should seriously consider stopping using any saws...or doing even any woodworking that involves the use of power machines for their own personal safety!

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I only know Felder from afar, but I was curious. And since Felder doesn't really show prices on their website, I asked Google. Evidently, for the K 740 S x-motion with PCS, it will cost about $50,000. Just for S&Giggles, I priced up a 7hp ICS with all the trimmings (including slider - I realize they're not quite the same) for $9,357.

If the SawStop brake costs $119 and the Forrest Woodworker II is $170, and you bought that ICS, you could have 140 activations and blade replacements before the expense will have equaled the K740.

Hi onocoffee,

A K 740 X-Motion with PCS is a fully-optioned machine in a very different class than a SawStop. The K 740 X-Motion uses a 14" diameter blade and multi-axis CNC control via touch-screen, an "apples-to-bananas" comparison.

A closer, "apples-to-oranges" comparison to a SawStop would be a K 700 PCS. A base K 700 with PCS would likely cost in the ~$15k-20k range. Still double the cost of a SawStop, but much closer in price.

If you really want your eyes to water, spec out a fully configured Kappa 590 e-Motion, or comparable Altendorf, Le Invicibile, or Martin T77. If you configure these machines "properly", it's possible to hit a six-figure price tag. There irony here is, most of the folks I know who own these machines are wealthy hobbyists. My professional woodworking colleagues are generally running Felder 700- and 900- series machines or SCM "Nova" or "Class" machines.

Given the inherent safety of Euro-style sliding saws over cabinet saws, no-contact activation of the PCS system and non-destructive implementation, I'l be curious to see if schools and public "maker spaces" begin to swap out their SawStops (need to keep an inventory of extra blades and cartridges) for PCS-like machines (SCM and Altendorf also make similar products, though they haven't filtered the technology down below their premium lines like Felder has).