Just got my ETS EC 150/5 - wow

Boski

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Have to saw I am really impressed with this tool and love it.

So far I have a TS60, Domino, MIDI, Cyclone and OF1400 and out of the box this has impressed me the most.

I have used it on number 1 setting with a 180 disc on a cabinet today (my first practice one) and also smoothed out some treated timber with 80 grit disc.

The thing is amazing, but its kind of got me thinking am I missing out not getting a Rotex instead? I would love to tear through some treated wood at a faster rate, not because I need to, just because it is fun lol.

Is the Rotex that much harder to control and have I gone for the right choice?

I am a hobbyist and have already got tools that are way above my capabilities.
 
It is a brilliant tool, easily the best sander I've ever used/owned in my life, and I've had pretty much every brand there is.

The Rotex's are an invaluable tool, but for me more suited to grunt work. I got the RO90 a while back and that is just an amazingly well designed tool. Beautiful in use. I sold my original RO1E (which was over 40 years old) and when they're on special next I'll be getting the RO150 as I really miss having a 6" Rotex. The aggressiveness of them is amazing.

If you didn't have the ETS EC you could more or less get by with the Rotex on it's own, although it's a great compliment to the EC's so I'd recommend having both. If you don't see yourself doing lots of aggressive panel sanding, the RO90 might be a better all rounder for you, as they do take a little practice to get the finesse of controlling them initially, and the 90 is great on door jambs, archs, etc..
 
I'd second the thoughts on the RO90. I got one a few months ago (my first Festool sander) and it is a fantastic tool for smaller pieces and fiddly Georgian-type panel doors for painting. I love it! I don't find it too much of a beast to handle, although I would imagine its bigger brothers would take much more practice.

It's also great that its Systainer is designed to hold pretty much all of the RO90 accessories, which means you get a complete sanding system in one neat box.
 
I've used Saphir P24 discs on my RO125 to remove plaster skim from walls - it's like waving a magic wand at the wall and saying "plaster be gone".

I've used Granat P240 on the same machine to polish the service of the kitchen table.

The RO125 is a fantasic machine.  I also have a DTS400 for more detailed work.  I need to get something for doing round overs, the DTS400 doesn't have a foam interface pad like the RTS400.

Regards
Bob
 
I was super rapt with the RO1E when it came out 40+ years ago, and was for me a ground breaking tool. I used it and abused it pretty much non-stop for decades, and it was just fantastic in use and incredibly robust and reliable. After I bought the RO90 however I couldn't believe just how good it was and how amazingly handy it is, that's when I immediately decided I'll be upgrading to the new RO150 and sold the RO1E!

Until you've actually used one in anger, you just wouldn't believe what a fantastic experience the ETS EC's and the Rotex's are. Which is not to say the others aren't good, they are amazing, but the EC's and Rotex really knock it outta the park!
 
My general comments on the Rotex sanders are "you should buy one only if you really need the aggressive material removal".  I have both an RO 90 and RO 150.  They are excellent machines and serve the exact purpose they are meant for - aggressive fast material removal.  In my case, I had about 160 feet of fencing that needed the stain and rough surface sanded down.  The Rotex machines performed much faster than any other random orbit sander.  However, there are compromises.

The smaller RO 90 is excellent if you absolutely need that tiny 3-1/2" sanding pad.  I had to sand small insets in between fence boards and this was the ONLY tool that would too it.  Another thing is that if you are doing heavy sanding, the section behind the sanding pad will clog up with sawdust and the dust collection will stop until you remove the sanding pad and clean out the small sections behind.  I had to do this about every 4 foot section of fencing that I was sanding.  Also, while the RO90 comes with a triangle delta head for sanding internal corners, it's extremely difficult to keep the sander even with the surface (the weight makes tilting the sander really easy).

One element that the RO 90 is excellent for is if you have smaller concave sections that need sanding.  A larger 125 (5") random orbit could just be too big for some sections.  I have seen the RO 90 being used to help shape/smooth areas of chair seats (which have a lot of convex/concave surfaces).

The RO 150 is a beast and will remove material really fast, but it is very heavy and loud.  If you are going to be using it for longer than 1 minute, you absolutely need hearing protection.  While you could potentially use it one-handed in "random orbit" mode on a flat horizontal surface, the RO 150 is really a 2-handed tool for any realistic operation.  That being said, I have pulled out the RO 150 to do quick material removal on some projects (like taking down 1/4" of material on a box/cabinet that was already glued together).

I think I have seen where the ETS EC 150/3 works better/faster than the RO 150 when the RO 150 is in "random orbit" mode.  The RO 150 is obviously faster when in "rotex" mode.

The Saphir 24 extreme grit paper has it's place and it's useful for doing stuff like taking off plaster (such as what Bob was doing).  However, if you are trying to use it to take off paint/stain or trim down material, I found that it's not nearly as good.  The 24 grit elements on the paper are so large that you essentially are grinding big scratches into your wood.  A 40 grit Rubin paper actually works smoother and faster for taking off paint/stain and removing wood material.  I found that the Rubin paper works slightly better on wood material than the Granite paper.

If I was in your shoes, I would probably look at an ETS 125 for finishing sanding.  Your ETS EC 150/5 is excellent for material removal and stuff like sanding off excess glue, but it doesn't do as well for the fine finishing sanding.  The small 2mm orbit of the ETS 125 combined with 220 grit results in an absolutely smooth surface that is excellent right before you apply finish.

But if you really want a Rotex "for the fun", don't let me stop you from buying it.  It really depends on how much "fast material removal" you need.  If it's infrequent, then I think the 150/5 will be just fine. 
 
ETS vs Rotex; completely different sanders. The Rotex can act as an ETS, but not the reverse. However, when using a Rotex as ETS it's a bulky machine. The driven mode of the Rotex is way more aggressive in material removal.

They really supplement each other. But if you gonna own both, I'd suggest the /3 variant of the ETS.
 
timwors said:
I don't find it too much of a beast to handle, although I would imagine its bigger brothers would take much more practice.

That's actually not the case. As counterintuitive as it sounds, the bigger ones are easier to handle.
It's all about keeping the pad flat, or deliberately leading with the front edge (stripping). The larger diameter is easier to "feel" that flat contact.
As with most things this aggressive, it does take a bit of handling/familiarity. You just have to be more "active" with any of the Rotex sanders, than the typical random orbit finishing sanders. Even in normal random mode, the elongated body requires more attention/input from the user.
 
Boski said:
woodferret said:
Grab some Abranet HD discs at 40, 60, 80 and a pad saver if you're just doing it for fun.

Will do, Thanks :)

Just so your aware in case, the pad saver isn't optional when using mesh sanding discs, as without it you'll find the velcro hooks on the sander pad will wear down prematurely.
 
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