Kapex in Action

[rodwolfy]

Hello, I was poking around the Aussie ww forum and found a thread for some videos to watch on the Kapex in action. I don't know if anyone else had posted this, but I just thought some of you could get a fix while you wait:
http://www.idealtools.com.au/category55_1.htm

Rod

 

[mntbighker]

Hello, I was poking around the Aussie ww forum and found a thread for some videos to watch on the Kapex in action. I don't know if anyone else had posted this, but I just thought some of you could get a fix while you wait:

Rod, you are an evil man. I suppose you used to burn ants with a magnifying glass when you were a kid too 

 

[Lou Miller]

The following are just some rants from my own perspective. I don't expect them to be agreed with by many, if any at all. I'm a fussy SOB that isn't shy about offering an opinion though.

I've seen those videos before. Dan Clark posted a link to them a while ago. I hate to say it, but I said the same thing the first time I watched them and I'm even more convinced now. I'm just not impressed at all with the fit of the joints coming off that saw. The cornice and and the skirting boards joints are absolutely pathetic. It could very well be the walls, the person doing the cutting, who knows... But, I know I can get joints that fit ten times better than that with saws that cost 1/8 the price of the Kapex. If the intention of that video is to sell the accuracy of the saw, they did a horrendous job. At the very least they could have made sure the cuts in their videos were perfect. Those cuts look like they were done by a hack on his first day on the job.

The Kapex also has an amazingly small work table on it. In a few of those pictures, the material being cut looked like it was being supported by just the smallest of amounts of stock. For the workshop, that might be okay. For field use, that's horrible. A good set of Sawhelpers will get around that, but that's a very expensive thing to add to an already very expensive saw. Without something like the Sawhelpers, the size of that table is going to be an enormous issue for me. I don't think I'd ever want to use that saw without a set of Sawhelpers. Festool should also take a look at the Sawhelpers and steal some ideas from them. Their support system is dramatically better than the system that Festool designed to go along with the Kapex. Quite a bit less money too.

One other thing that annoys me about the Kapex is that its just ever so slightly shy of being able to cut a 4x4 in one pass. That might not mean much to those of you in Europe and in OZ, but that's a big deal for a miter saw here in the US, especially one that will be used on a daily basis by contractors. I don't do many decks today, but I still install my fair share of railings and so forth. Not being able to cut through a 4x4 is a huge negative.

I am very impressed by the some of the overall features the Kapex has and especially the dust collection. However, I'm going to need to be very convinced in person when it comes to the performance of that saw (again, I'm going to blame the lousy videos for now). Performance means a whole lot more to me than fancy features. Those videos leave me very underwhelmed. Keep in mind, I'm extremely picky when it comes to miter saws though. However, my Makita puts that Kapex to shame in terms of the accuracy on the skirt board and the cornice videos. I can also cut a 4x4 with my Makita in one stroke and I can lay at least a 14 inch wide board on my saw without it moving even the slightest little bit due to the amount of support from the table. The Kapex looks like 4" wide boards will roll right off of it. The area will this will be the biggest problem is in fine tuning moldings that have already been cut to length. Sometimes you cut a piece of base to 4" long and you just need to shave the slightest of hairs off it to make it fit perfect. Without much of a support table, a cut like that is an accident waiting to happen.

The Kapex looks like it will compete very closely with my Makita in terms of cutting height for things like baseboard and so forth though. The Makita isn't very good in that area (Dewalt and the older Deltas are the best by far... The Dewalt is a piece of garbage though) . However, with the Kapex, you're only going to get that extra height on thinner stock, you won't be able to cut things that tall when they are 2-3" wide.

Just my opinion, but this saw with its compact design, really looks like its more designed for the Euro markets than it is for the NA markets.

Sorry for the rant. I know most of you will disagree very strongly with most of what I said, and that's fine. I'm just not impressed. I expected a lot more coming from Festool. Especially with the rumors of what that thing is going to cost.

 

[Bob Marino]

The following are just some rants from my own perspective. I don't expect them to be agreed with by many, if any at all. I'm a fussy SOB that isn't shy about offering an opinion though.

I've seen those videos before. Dan Clark posted a link to them a while ago. I hate to say it, but I said the same thing the first time I watched them and I'm even more convinced now. I'm just not impressed at all with the fit of the joints coming off that saw. The cornice and and the skirting boards joints are absolutely pathetic. It could very well be the walls, the person doing the cutting, who knows... But, I know I can get joints that fit ten times better than that with saws that cost 1/8 the price of the Kapex. If the intention of that video is to sell the accuracy of the saw, they did a horrendous job. At the very least they could have made sure the cuts in their videos were perfect. Those cuts look like they were done by a hack on his first day on the job.

The Kapex also has an amazingly small work table on it. In a few of those pictures, the material being cut looked like it was being supported by just the smallest of amounts of stock. For the workshop, that might be okay. For field use, that's horrible. A good set of Sawhelpers will get around that, but that's a very expensive thing to add to an already very expensive saw. Without something like the Sawhelpers, the size of that table is going to be an enormous issue for me. I don't think I'd ever want to use that saw without a set of Sawhelpers. Festool should also take a look at the Sawhelpers and steal some ideas from them. Their support system is dramatically better than the system that Festool designed to go along with the Kapex. Quite a bit less money too.

One other thing that annoys me about the Kapex is that its just ever so slightly shy of being able to cut a 4x4 in one pass. That might not mean much to those of you in Europe and in OZ, but that's a big deal for a miter saw here in the US, especially one that will be used on a daily basis by contractors. I don't do many decks today, but I still install my fair share of railings and so forth. Not being able to cut through a 4x4 is a huge negative.

I am very impressed by the some of the overall features the Kapex has and especially the dust collection. However, I'm going to need to be very convinced in person when it comes to the performance of that saw (again, I'm going to blame the lousy videos for now). Performance means a whole lot more to me than fancy features. Those videos leave me very underwhelmed. Keep in mind, I'm extremely picky when it comes to miter saws though. However, my Makita puts that Kapex to shame in terms of the accuracy on the skirt board and the cornice videos. I can also cut a 4x4 with my Makita in one stroke and I can lay at least a 14 inch wide board on my saw without it moving even the slightest little bit due to the amount of support from the table. The Kapex looks like 4" wide boards will roll right off of it. The area will this will be the biggest problem is in fine tuning moldings that have already been cut to length. Sometimes you cut a piece of base to 4" long and you just need to shave the slightest of hairs off it to make it fit perfect. Without much of a support table, a cut like that is an accident waiting to happen.

The Kapex looks like it will compete very closely with my Makita in terms of cutting height for things like baseboard and so forth though. The Makita isn't very good in that area (Dewalt and the older Deltas are the best by far... The Dewalt is a piece of garbage though) . However, with the Kapex, you're only going to get that extra height on thinner stock, you won't be able to cut things that tall when they are 2-3" wide.

Just my opinion, but this saw with its compact design, really looks like its more designed for the Euro markets than it is for the NA markets.

Sorry for the rant. I know most of you will disagree very strongly with most of what I said, and that's fine. I'm just not impressed. I expected a lot more coming from Festool. Especially with the rumors of what that thing is going to cost.

Hey Lou,

No apology needed for stating your opinions, not as far as I am concerned. I haven't even seen those videos yet to compare, but am hoping that it was a "sloppy" video rather than a shortcoming of the saw. You are a real world/hands-on pro and I value your opinions and concerns. The points you raise are good ones. I have not seen, let alone held, the Kapex, so I can't even begin to answer the issues raised. I am hopeful it will be/has been?? field tested here in the USA and the concerns mentioned will be/are favorably resolved.

Bob

 

[Brice Burrell]

  Lou, boy we think alike, I thought the same thing. I'm not too worried about the cutting depth, I just don't cut 4x4 that much anymore. And if I need to, I can bring another saw (my Makita). However the table size is a big deal to me also. I think that is one place Festools shaved a little weight off the design. In order to tweak miters (by 1/4 of a degrees or less) the stock must be placed in the saw the exact same way each and every time, this could be harder to do with such a small table.

  I hope Festool will someday make a SCMS specifically for the US market, with a 12" (or 300mm) blade, larger work table, better stand and extensions wings. More or less the Kapex 120 on steroids. Until then, this is just the ramblings of a NAINA Festool victim.

 

[Lou Miller]

  Lou, boy we think alike, I thought the same thing. I'm not too worried about the cutting depth, I just don't cut 4x4 that much anymore. And if I need to, I can bring another saw (my Makita). However the table size is a big deal to me also. I think that is one place Festools shaved a little weight off the design. In order to tweak miters (by 1/4 of a degrees or less) the stock must be placed in the saw the exact same way each and every time, this could be harder to do with such a small table.

  I hope Festool will someday make a SCMS specifically for the US market, with a 12" (or 300mm) blade, larger work table, better stand and extensions wings. More or less the Kapex 120 on steroids. Until then, this is just the ramblings of a NAINA Festool victim.

That's where my frustration with this thing comes in. I want that Kapex on steroids NOW. If you could take the best features from existing miter saws and combine them with some of the cool features of the Kapex, you'd have the best saw ever made, bar none. It just looks like they tried too hard to make it small. Its an American thing, I know, but smaller is not always better.

Like I said though, I can only go by what I've seen in some videos. The European and OZ posters here that have actually had their hands on the Kapex have a huge leg up on us. Its the same situation that we went through with the Domino. The Domino couldn't have turned out any better for me, so I haven't given up all hope on the Kapex, not even close.

 

[chippy31]

Hi Lou and Brice, as a big fan of the saw but also a real world contractor. I have thought these things also at times.

I have posted previously about the wing things. I am almost positive you two will hate them, in fact Lou, you may take a day off for that rant as you call it.

I have a few things irritate me about the saw. Brice you mentioned shaving mitres, because the handle for locking the angles on the table is a push down type. If you are close to one of the preset angles it "drops in" to that preset slot, small thing I know but very very irritating when you want accuracy. A screw in type handle like on my Makita is far superior.

The table is tiny I agree, I use it on the MFT 1080 with a systainer each side or mounted on a flip over table that I made.

Lou I would have to say that I do not consider the saw designed for 4 by 4 type wood. I use it as a very accurate fine finish tool. The guy in the video is not doing it any justice at all. I am cutting vinyl wrapped MDF 5 inch cornice all the time with it and the joins are perfect with the standard blade. 

I would like to think that Festool will rethink the stand idea but I will not hold my breath. The price it was is crazy but then I think that about all their accessories.

I personally believe the bits and pieces need to be offered properly discounted when you buy the tool. Just my opinion. Derek             

 

[Lou Miller]

Hey Lou,

No apology needed for stating your opinions, not as far as I am concerned. I haven't even seen those videos yet to compare, but am hoping that it was a "sloppy" video rather than a shortcoming of the saw. You are a real world/hands-on pro and I value your opinions and concerns. The points you raise are good ones. I have not seen, let alone held, the Kapex, so I can't even begin to answer the issues raised. I am hopeful it will be/has been?? field tested here in the USA and the concerns mentioned will be/are favorably resolved.

Bob

I couldn't help but a good chuckle out of your post when I read it. Somehow, I can't help envisioning you doing the same thing you did with the Domino. Secretly, you've had a Kapex over here for about a year or so now, but you're just laying low and don't want to fess up? Come on Bob, you can admit it, we're among friends here...  ;D

I hear what you're saying and I fully expect to be proven wrong (Just like with the Domino, I won't have any problem saying I was wrong when the time comes either) on many of the points I'm bringing up. The bottom line is that Festool makes a good tool, they always have. Its just very hard to convince people of how good they are at times. Especially with those crappy videos. I think a SCMS has to be the hardest tool there is to convince people of quality sight unseen.

You know, you could put a word in to Christian and get him to get a Kapex out to me. I'll make better videos for it and give it a real world review. He'd go for that, right?  The two ton trusses have been put on hold for a little while, so I can do a real nice write up for him.

 

[Lou Miller]

I have a few things irritate me about the saw. Brice you mentioned shaving mitres, because the handle for locking the angles on the table is a push down type. If you are close to one of the preset angles it "drops in" to that preset slot, small thing I know but very very irritating when you want accuracy. A screw in type handle like on my Makita is far superior.

That's not encouraging to hear. When I run trim, I'm very meticulous and spend a great deal of time tweaking angles until I get things to fit perfectly. Having to fight with settings on a saw like that is infuriating. 

Lou I would have to say that I do not consider the saw designed for 4 by 4 type wood. I use it as a very accurate fine finish tool. The guy in the video is not doing it any justice at all. I am cutting vinyl wrapped MDF 5 inch cornice all the time with it and the joins are perfect with the standard blade. 

Believe me, I use my saws for very fine accurate work about 99% of the time. That doesn't mean I don't have the occasional need to chop a 4x4 though too. I'm not talking about a piece of pressure treated garbage for a deck railing either. I'm talking about a solid piece of Mahogany or Cherry for a hand rail in a very expensive home. The frustrating part is that its soooo close to making it. I'm only going by the specs that I've read though. I forget exactly how far off it is now, but its something like only 1/8" (3mm) of inch away from being able to do it. I could still be proven wrong on this, but the specs say otherwise.

I would like to think that Festool will rethink the stand idea but I will not hold my breath. The price it was is crazy but then I think that about all their accessories.       

Have you ever looked at the Sawhelpers that I posted the link to above? I think that when the Kapex arrives here, all the NA contractors that put the money out for one are going to be getting Sawhelpers to go with it. We'll probably have 20 threads going on here and over at JLC about how to install them correctly. Brice will mostly like have pictures, along with sketchup drawings, on his website about where and how to drill the holes You can not find a better setup for field work than the Sawhelpers anywhere in the world. I don't know if you can get them where you are, but you might want to think about looking into them.

 

[chippy31]

Hi Lou I priced the sawhelper, thought thats not dear I will have one of those.

Then I priced the shipping it was more than the table itself. I am going to come over to the USA next year and intend to ship some stuff home myself in a container.
Also I was reading your other post about a saw taking a beating in your van. First thing I did was make a box for it to protect it. If that answers your question.
By the way it will cut 4 by 4 easily it will not trench it halfway but it will happily cut it with plenty of power.        Derek 

 

[Lou Miller]

Hi Lou I priced the sawhelper, thought thats not dear I will have one of those.

Then I priced the shipping it was more than the table itself. I am going to come over to the USA next year and intend to ship some stuff home myself in a container.
Also I was reading your other post about a saw taking a beating in your van. First thing I did was make a box for it to protect it. If that answers your question.
By the way it will cut 4 by 4 easily it will not trench it halfway but it will happily cut it with plenty of power.        Derek 

Than that is very encouraging news. You are talking about a full 3-1/2" x3-1/2" (89mm x 89mm) piece of wood though, right. Problem is, many of the 4x4s here are actually measuring 3-5/8" x 3-5/8" (92.5 mm roughly). Sorry if my Imperial to Metric conversions aren't spot on, but they should be really close.

 

[Forrest Anderson]

I have a few things irritate me about the saw. Brice you mentioned shaving mitres, because the handle for locking the angles on the table is a push down type. If you are close to one of the preset angles it "drops in" to that preset slot, small thing I know but very very irritating when you want accuracy. A screw in type handle like on my Makita is far superior.

I don't have a Kapex, but there seems to be two levers to control mitre-angle lock-down at the front of the saw:

The Kapex instruction manual states:

It therefore appears that the top lever (the stop lever) falls into a detente at certain mitre angles, whereas the bottom lever (the clamp lever) locks the table at the chosen position. So long as the top lever is pressed down to keep it out of the detentes before the bottom lever is pushed down, it seems that there should be no problem setting the table at angles close to the pre-set detentes like 1/2 degree or 23 degrees etc. Derek (chippy31), can you confirm that this is the case?

As regards other comments about its lack of weight, perhaps causing stability problems or meaning that it may not be robust enough, I think this is a case of not being able to please all the people all the time. Some members obviously find the comparatively light weight of the Kapex a positive advantage, since it enables them to easily move it in and out of their vehicles and take it up and down stairs, whilst others prefer the stability and solidity of heavier saws. Since Festool are using its light weight as a marketing point, and purposely made the base out of magnesium alloy to keep the weight down, then I don't think its fair to criticize the saw for not being heavy! If it threatens to tip over, then clamp it down.

Neither do I think we can expect Festool to produce one saw which will satisfy all types of customer, from cutting moulding used in fine cabinetry in a static workshop to cutting 4x12" beams on a muddy construction site. Makita try to cover all bases by having about 13 mitre saws in their (North American) line-up, whilst Festool only make two (Kapex and Symmetric).

As regards Lou's comment that it "looks like its more designed for the Euro markets than it is for the NA markets", then I have to agree. It is designed and made in Germany, and has been released in Europe and other markets already. Presumably Festool thought that customers in North America might like it too, and it should be released there in 2008, but it certainly wasn't designed for the North American market.

Forrest

 

[Lancashire Fusilier]

Back on the videos, with particular reference to the cornice video. The poor quality joint that exists has got me a bit stumped until I realised that the angle that the fellow measures with the adjustable thingamejig is the inside corner angle at the next joint and not the angle for the joint corner. May be that was the error. I tende to agree that I wouldn't be that excited by that finished joint regardless of the method used to create it.

 

[Lou Miller]

As regards Lou's comment that it "looks like its more designed for the Euro markets than it is for the NA markets", then I have to agree. It is designed and made in Germany, and has been released in Europe and other markets already. Presumably Festool thought that customers in North America might like it too, and it should be released there in 2008, but it certainly wasn't designed for the North American market.

Forrest

Well, than why can't Festool design a saw for our market? I mean, we like their tools a whole bunch too.

 

[mastercabman]

The following are just some rants from my own perspective. I don't expect them to be agreed with by many, if any at all. I'm a fussy SOB that isn't shy about offering an opinion though.

I've seen those videos before. Dan Clark posted a link to them a while ago. I hate to say it, but I said the same thing the first time I watched them and I'm even more convinced now. I'm just not impressed at all with the fit of the joints coming off that saw. The cornice and and the skirting boards joints are absolutely pathetic. It could very well be the walls, the person doing the cutting, who knows... But, I know I can get joints that fit ten times better than that with saws that cost 1/8 the price of the Kapex. If the intention of that video is to sell the accuracy of the saw, they did a horrendous job. At the very least they could have made sure the cuts in their videos were perfect. Those cuts look like they were done by a hack on his first day on the job.

The Kapex also has an amazingly small work table on it. In a few of those pictures, the material being cut looked like it was being supported by just the smallest of amounts of stock. For the workshop, that might be okay. For field use, that's horrible. A good set of Sawhelpers will get around that, but that's a very expensive thing to add to an already very expensive saw. Without something like the Sawhelpers, the size of that table is going to be an enormous issue for me. I don't think I'd ever want to use that saw without a set of Sawhelpers. Festool should also take a look at the Sawhelpers and steal some ideas from them. Their support system is dramatically better than the system that Festool designed to go along with the Kapex. Quite a bit less money too.

One other thing that annoys me about the Kapex is that its just ever so slightly shy of being able to cut a 4x4 in one pass. That might not mean much to those of you in Europe and in OZ, but that's a big deal for a miter saw here in the US, especially one that will be used on a daily basis by contractors. I don't do many decks today, but I still install my fair share of railings and so forth. Not being able to cut through a 4x4 is a huge negative.

I am very impressed by the some of the overall features the Kapex has and especially the dust collection. However, I'm going to need to be very convinced in person when it comes to the performance of that saw (again, I'm going to blame the lousy videos for now). Performance means a whole lot more to me than fancy features. Those videos leave me very underwhelmed. Keep in mind, I'm extremely picky when it comes to miter saws though. However, my Makita puts that Kapex to shame in terms of the accuracy on the skirt board and the cornice videos. I can also cut a 4x4 with my Makita in one stroke and I can lay at least a 14 inch wide board on my saw without it moving even the slightest little bit due to the amount of support from the table. The Kapex looks like 4" wide boards will roll right off of it. The area will this will be the biggest problem is in fine tuning moldings that have already been cut to length. Sometimes you cut a piece of base to 4" long and you just need to shave the slightest of hairs off it to make it fit perfect. Without much of a support table, a cut like that is an accident waiting to happen.

The Kapex looks like it will compete very closely with my Makita in terms of cutting height for things like baseboard and so forth though. The Makita isn't very good in that area (Dewalt and the older Deltas are the best by far... The Dewalt is a piece of garbage though) . However, with the Kapex, you're only going to get that extra height on thinner stock, you won't be able to cut things that tall when they are 2-3" wide.

Just my opinion, but this saw with its compact design, really looks like its more designed for the Euro markets than it is for the NA markets.

Sorry for the rant. I know most of you will disagree very strongly with most of what I said, and that's fine. I'm just not impressed. I expected a lot more coming from Festool. Especially with the rumors of what that thing is going to cost.

for somebody who never laid hands on that saw,you have a lot to say! come on now, can you really judge a saw by just watching a video?  i don't think the video is a good example of what the saw can really do.don't you think?
maybe it was designed for the euro market,but i don't see what the kapex can't do than my 10" scms can.

 

[Dixon Peer]

I don't think it's fair to look at that video and criticize the joinery, because to me it seems plain that the guy doing the work is not a German that's been through the apprenticeship of olde.  You guys are judging a saw by the capability of someone who is probably an engineer working for Festo, not a skilled and capable craftsman like you all are.  It seems to me that the saw will prove itself up to snuff, and most of you are chafing at the bit to spend big bucks for one, right?

 

[Bob Marino]

I couldn't help but a good chuckle out of your post when I read it. Somehow, I can't help envisioning you doing the same thing you did with the Domino. Secretly, you've had a Kapex over here for about a year or so now, but you're just laying low and don't want to fess up? Come on Bob, you can admit it, we're among friends here...  ;D

I hear what you're saying and I fully expect to be proven wrong (Just like with the Domino, I won't have any problem saying I was wrong when the time comes either) on many of the points I'm bringing up. The bottom line is that Festool makes a good tool, they always have. Its just very hard to convince people of how good they are at times. Especially with those crappy videos. I think a SCMS has to be the hardest tool there is to convince people of quality sight unseen.

You know, you could put a word in to Christian and get him to get a Kapex out to me. I'll make better videos for it and give it a real world review. He'd go for that, right?  The two ton trusses have been put on hold for a little while, so I can do a real nice write up for him.

Lou,

Nah, I only wish I could get my hands on that Kapex!. I think Forrest has it right regarding the Kapex. It's tough to have one saw for all appliactions, that won't be bested by another saw in one or two areas. There are drawbacks and advantages to any design. I think the KAPEX, with fewer moving parts and with Festool's use of quality (though lighter) materials, it will hold up to field use, allowing for some accidents, but not field abuse. The TS 55 AND 75 saws are wonderful, accurate tools, but I wouldn't toss em' in the back of a pickup and throw 50 lb bags of cement over them and expect them to hold accuracy. There are saws better suited for that kind of use/abuse. Maybe the guy who is used to throwing miter saws from the piller to post, dragging the saw by the cord, shouldn't be the one using a $1000.00 saw in the first place. I liken the Festool toolls generally to a Starrett Combination Square - well made, precise, last you a looooooooooooooong time, but it ain't meant to be dropped too often and hold it's accuracy. Take a cheap Stanley square and hammer nails with it, it may maintain closer to it's (relatively inaccurate) standards than the Starrett.
I guess time will tell.

Bob

 

[Lou Miller]

for somebody who never laid hands on that saw,you have a lot to say! come on now, can you really judge a saw by just watching a video?  i don't think the video is a good example of what the saw can really do.don't you think?
maybe it was designed for the euro market,but i don't see what the kapex can't do than my 10" scms can.

Did I say I was casting final judgment on the saw? No, I believe I stated it very clearly, several times in fact, that these were just my own observations BASED ON THE VIDEOS ONLY!!!!!!! I also made it perfectly clear that if those observations were wrong, I'd have zero problem admitting to such later on, did I not? Now, based on THOSE VIDEOS, what exactly did I say that wasn't true?

I mean, WTF?

Didn't several other people come on here and confirm that the table surface on the saw is very small? Didn't someone else come on and here and confirm that the saw was indeed designed for a Euro market instead of a US market? The bottom line is that everything I said was justified and also pre-qualified with the caveat that I have not seen the saw in person. Never once did I say any of my comments were based in fact, just opinions. Why do you now feel compelled to break my stones over what I said?

 

[Eli]

The cutting capacity is a shade over 3 3/4"
With the crown molding wings installed:
The length of the table is 33"
The depth is about 6 1/2", 7 if you pull the stops off.

I just went out to the garage and dug out an imperial tape and measured. See? Who loves you? ;D

Chippy is right about the angle locks, there are two 'types' of locking settings. You can put in whatever you want and lock it down. There are detents for set angles, but you can freehand angles all day long. Don't forget the saw also comes with an angle gauge (haven't needed mine yet, but it's there) stowed on board. Set it to reality, bring it back to the saw, set the saw, no tweaking, it should fit.

 

[mastercabman]

for somebody who never laid hands on that saw,you have a lot to say! come on now, can you really judge a saw by just watching a video?  i don't think the video is a good example of what the saw can really do.don't you think?
maybe it was designed for the euro market,but i don't see what the kapex can't do than my 10" scms can.

Did I say I was casting final judgment on the saw? No, I believe I stated it very clearly, several times in fact, that these were just my own observations BASED ON THE VIDEOS ONLY!!!!!!! I also made it perfectly clear that if those observations were wrong, I'd have zero problem admitting to such later on, did I not? Now, based on THOSE VIDEOS, what exactly did I say that wasn't true?

I mean, WTF?

Didn't several other people come on here and confirm that the table surface on the saw is very small? Didn't someone else come on and here and confirm that the saw was indeed designed for a Euro market instead of a US market? The bottom line is that everything I said was justified and also pre-qualified with the caveat that I have not seen the saw in person. Never once did I say any of my comments were based in fact, just opinions. Why do you now feel compelled to break my stones over what I said?

i just like to pick on you!   lol!