Kapex vs Dewalt

Dan T

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My Main line of work is kitchen installations.

I'm currently using a dewalt 717 mitre saw and in all fairness I'm more than happy with the results i achieve from this saw.

BUT every time i go in to my local festool dealer Ive just got to have a play with the kapex saw!  [smile] it does look a fantastic bit of kit but cant bring myself to change when I'm happy with my existing saw.

What a peoples views between the two saws ?  any advantages using the festool to my dw717..
 
1. Smaller
2 lighter
3 easier to transport
4 cuts alot smoother and more control with softer start
5 easy beveling far far easier than the dewalt with the turn knob at the front and spring loaded so the head of the saw doesn't just drop down  so easy adjustment and quickly unlock and lock of bevel no need to overhang to adjust
6 laser beams!
7 UG stand available for the kapex! Nice bit of kit! extra though!
8 it's a festool!

Jmb

EDITED 9 dust collection! 
 
My main reason for buying the kapex was the weight, it's so light. No effort at all getting it in and out of the van
 
For me it was the weight and size. I got mine the day it came out and i wouldn't go back. It is easy to carry and has the cutting ability of the big saws.  And i really like the lasers.
 
One of the advantages of the Kapex over the Dewalt is the engineering behind the handle location.

The Dewalt handle is horizontal and to the side of the blade.  The Kapex handle is vertical and in line with the blade.  

It's much easier to inadvertently torque the Dewalt out of perfect alignment than the Kapex whose handle position allows your arm motion to inherently follow the cut.

I've used a Dewalt 705 CMS on the jobsite for years as well as a Dewalt 708 SCMS in the shop.  I recently bought a Kapex and have been so impressed with the improved accuracy that I sold the 708 and retired the 705 except for cutting treated wood and/or framing materials.
 
use mine as a stationary saw. I bought because of 2 things.

The dust collection and it can be butted up to the wall.

Plus, It is darn accurate rigt out of the box
 
i have a dw 718 and dw (small one cant remember the no) . i use the 718 for big jobs and the smaller one for second fix and small jobs . i loved my dw untill i say the kapex.
advan of kapex over dw.
  • dust colection
    ug stand
    light
    better quality
    lazers work outside (not like dw shadow)

dis advan
  • way dearer
    trenching facility is crap
    lazers are fidly to set

i wont replace mine until they need it. i couldnt justify scraping a newish say that works good enough for what i do. i imagine you are in the same boat. the dust collection and ug stand might persuade you.
 
Dan T said:
... I'm more than happy with the results i achieve from this saw.
....

If you're satisfied with your current saw, I wouldn't bother getting the kapex.

Sure, the kapex has it's benefits, but it has it's drawbacks too.
When I got my kapex, it had just come out, and was a big improvement over the saw I had then, an older makita ls1013,that had lost it's accuracy and was having some other problems,  the kapex was exactly the same weight, but had a higher capacity. Over the years I had run into some annoyances with the makita saw, for instance with the flip up fences, getting the bevel set just right, and having to start over because I forgot to move the fence beforehand; or when I had to set up in a narrow hallway because I couldn't cut longer pieces in a room, the kapex could be placed closer to the wall, leaving more room in the hallway. The lasers are a nice improvement too, if I marked a line on the piece to be cut it's easy to dial in the miter/bevel.
But the dewalt 717 already has many of the features, it's barely heavier, and has a central carry-handle, it has the improved cutting-height capacity, it has the sliding fences. It can be fitted with a laser, or the shadowline-ledlight. The controls for the bevel aren't at the back of the carriage like on the old  makita but closer to the front of the saw. (and it has beveldetents, which the kapex only has for 45°and 0° via a turndial)  It has the same miter-range as the kapex, but only to different sides (the kapex can do 60° to the right, the DW to the left)

The kapex has pretty good dustcollection, but I found that you HAVE to use it, even when working outside, because when I don't the sawdust gets blown up and the wind blows it in my face. (there's no dustbag accessory, and the ones for the planers won't fit)

The idea of the handle inline with the blade is good from an engineering point of view, to minimize deflection (allong with the bars positioned further apart), but it's less comfortable ergonomically speaking. it's curved (outward) design, and the fact that it's not covered with a "grippy" texture makes it likely for your hand to slide of the trigger when you bring the  sawhead down. Another consequence of this design is the need for the bladeguard to slide inside the housing instead of over it, when it slides over, you can easily hold it up with your thumb with your hand still on the handle.

The dewalt also has a lockable miterdetent override, the kapex override is springloaded, and you have to keep pressure on it (this doesn't bother me, but it's important to some)
The large bevelscale on the kapex is easy to read, and very nice in combination with the turndial, but it also limits the miter-range when you have extensions installed with a backfence on them.
The dewalt doesn't have the speeddial, but I do think it has the sofstart and the bladebrake.

The biggest advantage of the dewalt over the festool is: You already have it.

This post might sound like a rant, and I'm still very happy with my kapex, but it's not the be all end all in mitersaws . And for the price it costs you can buy one or several other festools you may have a bigger need for.
 
Dewalt also has that new dws780 12" that looks like the dust collection will come close to festool. 
 
Dan, I just did a small job a few days ago, about 350 lf of base/case/crown, one bedroom and a hallway. I already had my old DW708 in my truck, this being a small job I decided not to take my Kapex. Big mistake, I have had this DW for maybe 10 years and the saw works very good with a Freud blade, I have it cutting pretty square. Results are good.

This house was 60+ years old and the walls were not even close to square anywhere, plus there was swirl texture on the ceiling. Every single miter on every cut needed to be finessed. Yeah it took some time.

At the end of the day after packing up and having to lift this saw into my truck, I told myself never again, this tank will only come out for framing, not finish.

The two things that hit me the most using the DW over the Kapex, the dust was everywhere. Even though I was cutting outside, still a huge mess to clean up. I have cut with the Kapex inside, still on a tarp with DC, almost nothing to clean up. The weight of the DW tank is getting old and so am I. The Kapex weighs nothing compared to my tank.

Since this house was so out of square, moving the table on the DW to get exact miters was a bit tough. Yes I had issues with My Kapex scrapping on the base. But after I modified the handle a bit, making very small miter adjustments is a piece of pie.

Yes I have to admit, I like the lasers on the Kapex, I have Irwins on all my miter saws, but I love the double lasers and they are spot on. Yes they will need adjustments when moving the Kapex around, but I find it takes a few seconds to adjust, if they need it at set up...
 
I used to have a dewalt, but it was on its way out, so I got a kapex because it had a greater cutting capacity especially good on high cornice. It is also lighter and great to transport with the Ug. Very pleased with it.
If you're happy with your dewalt stick with it until it goes kaput!! then splash the cash on a kapex, you won't regret it  ;D
 
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