lets design the next track saw

[Alan m]

hi there
given the reaction to the new ts55r
what features would you think the next one should have

 

[fortrout]

It needs to stay on the track when cutting on 45 or its no better than the saw they have sold us already.

 

[duburban]

I keep thinking the new ts55 features are exactly what makita is already offering. Tilt lock, more power...

 

[jmbfestool]

Are you Bored Alan?! Starting all these random topics which you know will be most likely start a massive debate lol

Well

I would like to see A new rail system to be honest but the New TS55 would still be backwards compatible to the old rail.

This would allow for more features to be added LIKE!  

1. Anti tilt so you dont have to worry once you let go the saw drops of the rail!

2. Using your CT vac to create suction on the rail so no clamps need for certain applications.  Once you stop cutting vac shuts down and rail can be lifted off

3. A second track closer to the splinter guard for clamping smaller stuff when needed

4. Markings along the rail would be handy.   You can have a couple stops front and back you place where you want!     So you marked out your cut out like a sink on a work top......  You place your rail on it you can see the markings near the splinter guard which run across the rail you can place your stops on the marks start and finish of the cut and you then just simply cut.   Pick the rail up place it on the other side on the marks and cut again.

Few more things but gotta go add them in a bit!

JMB

 

[andvari]

Now that all of the blades have the same kerf I'd like to see a cutting guide mark for the off side of the blade.

 

[neth27]

Here we go  [big grin]

 

[JimRay]

4. Markings along the rail would be handy.   You can have a couple stops front and back you place where you want!     So you marked out your cut out like a sink on a work top......  You place your rail on it you can marking near the splinter guard which run across the rail you can place your stops on the marks start and finished and you then just simply cut.   Pick the rail up place it on the other side on the marks and cut again.

JMB

Now that is a great idea! In the meantime, maybe I'll add one of those sticky backed measuring tapes to one of my tracks and give your idea a test run.

Jim Ray

 

[Alan m]

Are you Bored Alan?! Starting all these random topics which you know will be most likely start a massive debate lol

Well

I would like to see A new rail system to be honest but the New TS55 would still be backwards compatible to the old rail.

This would allow for more features to be added LIKE! 

1. Anti tilt so you dont have to worry once you let go the saw drops of the rail!

2. Using your CT vac to create suction on the rail so no clamps need for certain applications.  Once you stop cutting vac shuts down and rail can be lifted off

3. A second track closer to the splinter guard for clamping smaller stuff when needed

4. Markings along the rail would be handy.  You can have a couple stops front and back you place where you want!    So you marked out your cut out like a sink on a work top......  You place your rail on it you can see the markings near the splinter guard which run across the rail you can place your stops on the marks start and finish of the cut and you then just simply cut.  Pick the rail up place it on the other side on the marks and cut again.

Few more things but gotta go add them in a bit!

JMB

bored . a bit i suppose.
a debate, yes but not the usual mafel is better stuff.

i like some of those ideas jmb

id like a bendy rail , like the mafel .

 

[duburban]

i find this discussion curious from an industrial design point of view. what would does it cost festool to develop this technology and how much would you pay for it? perhaps some are brand loyal enough to stick with festool as the technology and prices climb but there has to be a price point that keeps it in the realm of justifiable. perhaps there could be levels of technology offered or add on's available after purchase for those that value those upgrades.

 

[score0matic]

4. Markings along the rail would be handy.  You can have a couple stops front and back you place where you want!    So you marked out your cut out like a sink on a work top......  You place your rail on it you can see the markings near the splinter guard which run across the rail you can place your stops on the marks start and finish of the cut and you then just simply cut.  Pick the rail up place it on the other side on the marks and cut again.

Incra Nylon rules slide in and stay in place and allow you to place stops at defined distances,  If you have the rapid clamp set use the front stop to make a "0" stop on the underside of the rail

I originally put the rule in to make fluted trim

 

[jmbfestool]

4. Markings along the rail would be handy.   You can have a couple stops front and back you place where you want!     So you marked out your cut out like a sink on a work top......  You place your rail on it you can see the markings near the splinter guard which run across the rail you can place your stops on the marks start and finish of the cut and you then just simply cut.   Pick the rail up place it on the other side on the marks and cut again.

Incra Nylon rules slide in and stay in place and allow you to place stops at defined distances,  If you have the rapid clamp set use the front stop to make a "0" stop on the underside of the rail

I originally put the rule in to make fluted trim

Yes Like that but I would like the markings to correspond with markings near the splinter guard also so  if you cant use the quick stops as a ''0''stop    you can just place the rail on the marks.   

At the moment what I do is I tick a line with a pencil the position of the rail with he markings on the piece im cutting I then  Plunge the saw then I place my first stop while keeping the saw in position so I know the start of the cut  then I cut along untill I get to the end and stop leave my saw in position and place the end stop then for the rest of the cuts I just place the rail on the mark where I ticked on the rail and I can just cut  simples.

JMB

 

[Rick Christopherson]

I hear people bringing up the Makita anti-tilt feature quiet often. What many of them don't realize is that this feature serves a purpose only when you are not using the saw. It stops the saw from falling over if you walk away from it. It doesn't serve a purpose during the cut. That's because if you let the saw ride against the anti-tilt rib, your bevel angle will be off. The absence of downward force on the rail will make this worse in the middle of a long cut. Knowing the way that Festool engineering thinks, I suspect that this is the reason why they have never incorporated an anti-tilt feature.

 

[Deansocial]

I hear people bringing up the Makita anti-tilt feature quiet often. What many of them don't realize is that this feature serves a purpose only when you are not using the saw. It stops the saw from falling over if you walk away from it. It doesn't serve a purpose during the cut. That's because if you let the saw ride against the anti-tilt rib, your bevel angle will be off. The absence of downward force on the rail will make this worse in the middle of a long cut. Knowing the way that Festool engineering thinks, I suspect that this is the reason why they have never incorporated an anti-tilt feature.

yeah but i wonder how many people have droped a saw due to the lack o this feature, i know i have and it cost me a new bevel gauge as a result.

 

[Joiner]

Excuse my ignorance but why the fascination with anti-tilt, just hold the machine while the adjustment is made. I tried the new TS55R at eco-build and it is good.

 

[jmbfestool]

I hear people bringing up the Makita anti-tilt feature quiet often. What many of them don't realize is that this feature serves a purpose only when you are not using the saw. It stops the saw from falling over if you walk away from it. It doesn't serve a purpose during the cut. That's because if you let the saw ride against the anti-tilt rib, your bevel angle will be off. The absence of downward force on the rail will make this worse in the middle of a long cut. Knowing the way that Festool engineering thinks, I suspect that this is the reason why they have never incorporated an anti-tilt feature.

yeah but i wonder how many people have droped a saw due to the lack o this feature, i know i have and it cost me a new bevel gauge as a result.

+1    I dropped mine because of the lack of anti tilt once when I first tilted the saw for the first time.

 

[jmbfestool]

I hear people bringing up the Makita anti-tilt feature quiet often. What many of them don't realize is that this feature serves a purpose only when you are not using the saw. It stops the saw from falling over if you walk away from it. It doesn't serve a purpose during the cut. That's because if you let the saw ride against the anti-tilt rib, your bevel angle will be off. The absence of downward force on the rail will make this worse in the middle of a long cut. Knowing the way that Festool engineering thinks, I suspect that this is the reason why they have never incorporated an anti-tilt feature.

I know what the anti tilt is for to stop my saw from falling of  nothing more 

but your basically saying Festool thinks we (TS users) are idiots and are unable of knowing what the anti tilt is for so to avoid people calling up saying the saw doesnt cut at the correct angle unless I hold it down my self etc....   

so  Festool thought to avoid TS users (idiots) calling!  they decided not to bother adding the anti tilt to avoid this hassle. 

umm... yeah thats the reason why festool didnt stick the anti tilt on.

 

[jmbfestool]

Excuse my ignorance but why the fascination with anti-tilt, just hold the machine while the adjustment is made. I tried the new TS55R at eco-build and it is good.

....  not just while the adjustment is made  you have to hold it even after you have adjusted it to the angle you want.    You have to hold it untill you remove of from the rail  unless you want it falling onto the floor.

 

[Alan m]

maybe the next ts caould tilt in wards so that the weight is still over the rail.

 

[jmbfestool]

maybe the next ts caould tilt in wards so that the weight is still over the rail.

Funny you say that!  I needed that feature to day!  

I was making 80mm rips   2400mm long        18mm MDF with a 45 degree cuts on both edges   but cus it only tilts one way I had to place the rail on the off cut which isnt ideal.    Any way after cutting two I quit!  Even though my TS55 had a decent blade in wasnt too worn but after cutting them first two pieces it was very worn lol  Black!!! my TS stopped working and needed cooling down  [embarassed]

I changed tactic!  I decided to just cut 80mm strips square  then using my CMS module with OF2200 router and my large 45 degree cutter   made a much better job and quicker and no burning and less hassle.

JMB

 

[AlexThePalex]

maybe the next ts caould tilt in wards so that the weight is still over the rail.

Where do you leave the motor?