Looking for a new drill

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Burned up an older NiCad 18v Bosch.  Looking to get a new drill.  Festool has crossed my mind.

Convince me/give me suggestions regarding a cordless drill (Festool or not).  14.4v vs. 18v etc.

I am a home owner/DIYer/wood butcher.

Thanks,
Chuck
 
You need to convince yourself Chuck ... A drill in isolation from Festool isn't a big deal. Their drills and drivers are good, but you need to be buying into the cordless range, Systainers, Centrotec, etc to get the benefit (and also to buy into the excellent warranty and support).

You guys get 30 days to evaluate ... grab a PDC and see what you think. That's the cool thing, you get 30 days to convince yourself and change your mind and go and buy another brand for probably less.

 
Kev said:
You need to convince yourself Chuck ... A drill in isolation from Festool isn't a big deal. Their drills and drivers are good, but you need to be buying into the cordless range, Systainers, Centrotec, etc to get the benefit (and also to buy into the excellent warranty and support).

You guys get 30 days to evaluate ... grab a PDC and see what you think. That's the cool thing, you get 30 days to convince yourself and change your mind and go and buy another brand for probably less.

I have several other Festools as well (Rotex, TS 75, OF 1400, MFT, etc) so I can appreciate the quality.  The drills are quite expensive though (which I don't mind incidentally as long as they last).
 
I have the CSX, C12, TI15, and T18 drills. If I could have only one drill, I'd keep the T18. If I needed both a drill and an impact drill, I'd keep the TI15.

If all my drilling was light work, the CSX is a really fun drill.

Which ever drill you buy, I'd suggest you buy the set. The accessories are worth the money Cora cost.
 
You're further than halfway there then [wink]

They do last, that's for certain. Whether the C18, T18, PDC, DRC, etc is the right choice for you is the next thing.

If I was only buying one I'd probably go T18 as it offers quite delicate control (as does the C, but with different ergonomics). The PDC, DRC give you a lot more options, but they're ultimately more brutal. I have a PDC, but I wouldn't be completely happy if I did't also have a C15 to rely on.

The range of chucks available gives you all round superior flexibility too.
 
I'll tell you one thing, the PDC looks very intriguing.  LOTS of power plus the percussion feature.  (Although not sure how much I would use it). Very big though.  Looks to be a drill that can do a lot of things.
 
Chuck Wilson said:
I'll tell you one thing, the PDC looks very intriguing.  LOTS of power plus the percussion feature.  (Although not sure how much I would use it). Very big though.  Looks to be a drill that can do a lot of things.
The PDC is the speed king if that's what your looking for, also a good alrounder.
I don't think it's any more heavier than say Makita or Dewalt's equivalent. I've got some 1.5 ah 18volt batteries that I use on mine some time for over head work or to get into small places so there are options to lighten the drill if you want.
 
DB10 said:
Chuck Wilson said:
I'll tell you one thing, the PDC looks very intriguing.  LOTS of power plus the percussion feature.  (Although not sure how much I would use it). Very big though.  Looks to be a drill that can do a lot of things.
The PDC is the speed king if that's what your looking for, also a good alrounder.
I don't think it's any more heavier than say Makita or Dewalt's equivalent. I've got some 1.5 ah 18volt batteries that I use on mine some time for over head work or to get into small places so there are options to lighten the drill if you want.

The key thing you said is 'alrounder'.  It might be the most utilitarian of all.
 
If you're budgeting yourself for Festool drills, I suggest taking a peek at Metabo as well; their redesigned brushless drills are really stellar.

Compared to the PDC/DRC, it's smaller, lighter, more powerful, and $200 cheaper. Metabo is really at the forefront of battery technology as well, they had 5.2Ah batteries since 2013 while most manufacturers are only releasing 5.2Ah now (ahem Festool  [tongue]). Metabo are onto a new larger cell altogether (they call it LiHD) that's so far been testing to near double runtime and also squeeze more amps out of the same number of cells.

Posted my thoughts here from January:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/metabo-cordless/msg362996/#msg362996

Since I got the drill, I have acquired the right angle chuck, quick hex chuck, Centrotec chuck (for Zobo bits), and the 3x torque multiplier attachment. Not that I plan to drive some 4 foot long screws, but I'd like to mix some concrete without the fear of it blowing up.

Only caveat is distribution in the US, you'll find no one really stocks it except welding supply shops, and industrial suppliers (Grainger, Fastenal, Zoro Tools). Lowe's/Home Depot offer some Metabo on their website, I'm not sure if these are stocked.
 
I have a T18 set that my fiance got me last year.  It's gotten me out of a ton of weird situations with weird placement of screws and has more than enough power.
 
I have a collection of tools from different brands- Festool, Bosch, Fein, Mafell and Metabo.

Metabo has some good stuff, especially their angle grinders. Which is what made me try their drills aswell, as I heard some good stuff about it.

I have the Metabo BS18 LTX BL Quick, which is their brushless, non-hammer drill. So far I like it very much. The reason I went with non-hammer is that from past experience, drills with the hammer function rarely gets used for drilling in concrete. I have a rotary hammer drill and use that for drilling concrete instead. The correct tool for the job. Concrete is brittle but hard, so the way to drill in concrete is to have hard impacts with a rotary drive that clears the chips. However, if you want a high impact hit, it requires more weight on the drill. I don't want to be carrying all that weight around when all I want to do is drive screws. From past experience I haven't had a single combo-drill that has had enough impact force to hammer chips from the concrete satisfyingly fast, because like I said, to be able to do that, the combo-drills would weigh a lot more. Also, the hammer part of the drill will increase the size of the drill, which makes it's harder to reach in tight spots.

Anyhow...

The build quality is good  and battery life amazing. It can change chucks similar to the festool counterparts, but I feel Metabo is a better system. The metal chuck is very good quality, the bit holder is metal (made by Wera I think), and the angle adapter is on par with the festool one, but gvcan be clamped in any direction. It also has an extra chuck which is 3-1gear, so it has 3x more torque. I don't have it because I haven't needed it yet. The balance feels very good and it's comfortable to hold. Also, it's very short without the chucks attached.

The LED light is surprisingly powerful, and lights up the room well if it's dark. It also has a vibration sensor, so if I bump the table it sits on or drop my hammer on the bench, the lights activate before I even pick the drill up. It's suprisingly accurate when turning itself on before I reach for my drill, and not when I'm not going to use the drill. Don't know how they do it... Also it lights up for a while(15 secs?) after it has been activated, which I think is good. It has such a good battery I don't really care if it lights up more than needed. And all things considered, this is the first time im really pleased about a tiny LED light.

Metabo offers Tanos cases - same as Festool, but they have also come out with a new case called Metalocs that seem more rugged in every regard, and can mount to both the classic and the T-systainer.

The accesories from festool will also fit the Metabo (but not the opposite way).  I have the CSX, and I can use the Festool bit holder as well as the chuck on my Metabo. The angle adapter for my CSX doesn't fit on the Metabo, but I think the bigger angle adapter on the PDC will fit. Also I can use normal bits instead of having to buy into the Festool centrotec system.

It has a lot of power and the battery lasts. The past week I used it to mix about 300L concrete. (Should probably have used a concrete mixer)

It also has a feature called Impuls. Some say it's a gimmick but I actually find it really useful. It's great for removing stripped screws, drilling into tile (or other slippery surfaces) while remaining control.

I read some complaints about the gear selector sliding into neutral by accident, and I find this to be not the case at all. I have to push relatively hard to on all the switches on the drill to change settings.

If it says something, Mafell has licensed their new drills, so if it's good enough for Mafell quality, it's good enough for me.
Metabo is designed and manufactured in Germany. Their batteries are made in hungary.

I'm thinking of getting a battery hammer drill though. Not sure if I go Metabo or Festool.
 
Sjur said:
The LED light is surprisingly powerful, and lights up the room well if it's dark. It also has a vibration sensor, so if I bump the table it sits on or drop my hammer on the bench, the lights activate before I even pick the drill up. It's suprisingly accurate when turning itself on before I reach for my drill, and not when I'm not going to use the drill. Don't know how they do it... Also it lights up for a while(15 secs?) after it has been activated, which I think is good. It has such a good battery I don't really care if it lights up more than needed. And all things considered, this is the first time im really pleased about a tiny LED light.

I've been wondering about that feature, I have it on my corded Metabo Jigsaw but wondered if on the cordless tools it runs the battery down when I'm driving about with it in your van?
Is it possible to switch it off?
 
GOT8SPD said:
I have a T18 set that my fiance got me last year.  It's gotten me out of a ton of weird situations with weird placement of screws and has more than enough power.

As a homeowner/hobbyist this has also been my experience.  For me, the downside of the PDC is that there is no eccentric chuck available for it.  The ability to drive a screw right next to a wall, or other obstruction, has gotten me out of trouble a number of times
 
demographic said:
Sjur said:
The LED light is surprisingly powerful, and lights up the room well if it's dark. It also has a vibration sensor, so if I bump the table it sits on or drop my hammer on the bench, the lights activate before I even pick the drill up. It's suprisingly accurate when turning itself on before I reach for my drill, and not when I'm not going to use the drill. Don't know how they do it... Also it lights up for a while(15 secs?) after it has been activated, which I think is good. It has such a good battery I don't really care if it lights up more than needed. And all things considered, this is the first time im really pleased about a tiny LED light.

I've been wondering about that feature, I have it on my corded Metabo Jigsaw but wondered if on the cordless tools it runs the battery down when I'm driving about with it in your van?
Is it possible to switch it off?

I think you can remove the battery.
 
Holmz said:
demographic said:
Sjur said:
The LED light is surprisingly powerful, and lights up the room well if it's dark. It also has a vibration sensor, so if I bump the table it sits on or drop my hammer on the bench, the lights activate before I even pick the drill up. It's suprisingly accurate when turning itself on before I reach for my drill, and not when I'm not going to use the drill. Don't know how they do it... Also it lights up for a while(15 secs?) after it has been activated, which I think is good. It has such a good battery I don't really care if it lights up more than needed. And all things considered, this is the first time im really pleased about a tiny LED light.

I've been wondering about that feature, I have it on my corded Metabo Jigsaw but wondered if on the cordless tools it runs the battery down when I'm driving about with it in your van?
Is it possible to switch it off?

I think you can remove the battery.

Haha!

Well there isn't a switch to tweak/turn of the sensitivity. I use the drill at home in my shop, I never have it in a van, so for me, the vibration sensor is a big plus. I didn't actually consider the downside with vibration sensor in a van.

However, I checked this cordless light that Metabo offers: http://www.metabo.us/Cordless-site-light-BSA-14-4-18-LED.47685.0.html

You can fit the 5,2 ah battery on it, and as per the description, it lasts "up to" 7 hours. Lets just say 5 hours for a safe zone. The light packs 14 big LED lights. They look twice the size than the LED lights on the drill, but again for arguments sake, let's say the drill packs two of those big LED lights. That's 7 times fewer lights than the light, so if we multiply the 5 hours with 7, we get 35 hours.

So let's just round down to 30 hours to be extra safe.

So according to my highly accurate research, the drill should light up atleast 30 hours straight. I don't know how much the sensor drains though.

I don't know how far you travel to work, but I think you should be fine. 
 
I think you'd be more than happy with the Full Kit T18 drill.  This way you'd have the right angle chuck and the eccentric chuck. I also opted for the Drywall screw driver/chuck attachment so I don't have to lug my Bosch Drywall gun around on small patch work or a quick few screws.  That last attachment also fits in the case with my Classic Systainer style that came with my older t18, so I would hope the newer T-Loc case still holds as much.
The T18 more closely matches your old drill in power, although I also own the CXS which really compliments a larger drill when you need to quickly drill with one, and drive screws with the other and not have to worry about switching bits/driver bits even with a quick change system on one drill.
 
Holmz said:
I think you can remove the battery.

I worked that bit out, not my favourite solution.

Hmmm, was thinking of getting one but if that's the only way to stop it coming on in Transit I suspect its a fail.
 
I recommend the ltx metabo line. Best batteries on the market, centrotec compatible, higher torque, 3 year warranty on parts and batteries, German made, less expensive than festool.
 
C18 full set you wont need another drill for 10 years ive had my c12 8 year still going just bought the c18 and its amazing dropped it off a 3 story building and the battery fell out thats all it will work when its wet and full of dust it just keeps on working check this out   
 
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