LS 130 Sander

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I have to sand down/clean up a client's teak garden bench.  I have a rotex but I don't think it's right for this kind of job.  I also have a bosch palm sander that I could use but I've been thinking of upgrading.  Would the LS 130 be a good choice for this type of project and, in the long run, to replace the palm sander that I currently have?
 
i find my ls 130 is better suited when a finer finish is desired.  perhaps the harder pad on your rotex or an ets 150/3 would work.
 
I would use my Rotex for such a job.  Depending on the configuration of the bench, I might also use my Deltex DX 93 in the cracks and corners. 

I have the LS 130 sander as well and it is definately a finishing sander rather than one used to remove existing material.  I might use it after removing the "gunk" with the Rotex.

I used this combination of three sanders to refinish my cedar cabin and am very happy with the result.  (see the threadhttp://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=3351.0).
 
I agree with Frank. The Rotex would excel at that type of job and for everything else, the Deltex.

Bob
 
Unless the surface is badly abused, don't sand the teak.  Go to a boat supply house and get teak renewing oil (or some variation thereof.).  I used it on the swim platform on my MasterCraft and it is unbeleivable.  I may have some before and after pics, I'll check.

 
As far as I can tell there isn't a finish on the bench.  Some of it has weathered more than others and it certainly needs some sanding in some areas.  It's not so much that there is gunk or material that needs to be removed, it just needs to be smoothed.  My only concern with the rotex is that it is so large that it will not manage the smaller areas well.
I looked at the deltex but that won't replace my palm sander.  I"m trying to kill two birds with one stone here.  The palm sander I have right now is the right size but I'm soooooo tired of worn out/ripped paper and horrible dust collection that I'd like to upgrade.
 
You may want to look at the RTS and DTS sanders.  They are a closer replacement for a palm sander, and get into the spaces that the Rotex can't.
 
I have fabricated, cleaned and repaired  many teak furniture pieces.  How, when or why you sand/refinish depends upon the piece's current condition and how you want it to look/perform in the near or long term.

Cleaning the teak is a the first step.  You can buy commercial teak and sealer products (Smith and Hawkens sells such a kit although expensive).  Oxalic acid cut with water (start with 1 part oxalic acid to 4 parts water) also works well to loosen dirt, bleaches the wood and kills moss or fungi.  Use a stiff brush to clear dirt and a coarse 3M sanding pad to smooth.  Rinse thoroughly with a hose and water then let dry completely for a couple of days.  Either product will leave the teak looked very light in color after drying.

USE GLOVES, PROTECTIVE EYEWEAR, AND ETC.

You may find after vigorous brushing and scrubbing with the 3M pad that you'll need no further sanding.  Light sanding after that might be needed (or requested by your customer) but aggressive sanding on weathered teak isn't required unless there are splinters, loose or cracked/gouged areas or if you want an "off the showroom floor" look.  Also, sanding in between all those slats is very time consuming.  The 3M pad has the advantage of begin relative easy to scrub between the slats.  I've used a sander on teak only once in six years.

This is a good time to repair these areas.  Quick Wood (available from Rockler and Woodcraft) is an epoxy composite that is waterproof and good for interior or exterior use.  It can be sanded, stained or dyed to match the surround teak. 

Finishing:  the Smith and Hawken product includes a protective stain that leaves a light brown color.  Some find it be a little on the "plastic" side in appearance.  Some choose to leave the teak after cleaning to weather to a silver or grey.  The problem a lot of my customers have with the latter approach is that the silver or grey starts to look streaky and dirty after 2 or 3 years.  A teak oil or a product such as the Smith and Hawken sealer will maintain a more finished look for 2 - 3 years before requiring total refinishing.  It also has the appearance of looking nearly new (Teak oil has a rich, deeper color after application.  The S&H product is much lighter.) after you're done.

Teak oil will fade and streak after awhile.  The Smith and Hawken product will maintain a more even appearance over a longer period of time.  I suggest cleaning and applying a light coat of either product once every one or two years if a nicer appearance is required from year to year.

I have used marine spar varnish with varying results.  It seems to work best on older dry teak after it's been thoroughly cleaned.  Three coats lasts around 3 years before you have to sand and apply new finish.  I have had at least three teak furniture pieces where the spar varnish never cured hard.  My guess is that the teak's natural oils were the culprit.  The pieces had to be completed sanded and recoated for the spar varnish to "take".

Spar varnish has a glossy finish and some prefer it.  Nearly all of my customers prefer the teak oil or one of the other commercial teak sealers because of the more natural appearance.

Hope this helps!
 
Hi I have that LS 130 and it has its uses but it is NOT what you need for the job you are talking about. The LS 130 would be a nice sander for certain areas, but it just does not have the power and orbital action you need.

I would use my Rotex, but if you feel it is to big I would use a ETS150/5 or possibly the 150/3. Teak is not very hard wood at all and the lower powered sanders and even 5" will suffice also.

The biggest bang for the buck for what you want to do is the new Porter Cable 390 sander I have been posting about. I just love it and it is much nicer than the ETS 125 and only 129.00 with a 90 day no questions return policy.

With that LS 130 you will be there all day long sanding, to me its designed for very specific jobs and is a nice complement sander, but not a main sander to work on a project like that.

Just my thoughts.

Nickao
 
I've just done a teak table.... It was all a little flaky and faded - all that rain here in the UK !!!

I used the RO150 on normal sanding (not aggressive) and went over it with 120, 240 then 320... Lovely and smooth. Sure, I could not get all of those fiddly bits... But you can't see them either and the main point was to restore the surface.

Put some oil (not cooking) onto it and when it rains... it all just runs off... Used to soak in a little...

Paul.

p.s. I don't have any other sanders... (yet)
 
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