Makita LS1013lf cheat
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Monju123 said:
My father-in-law used to own part of a horse farm in Ohio. Every month all the owners would kick in so many dollars for feed, vet care, maintenance, etc. and to purchase more livestock. They could have bought one good horse but instead they elected to buy a few lesser quality horses.
These substandard animals took up as much space, ate as much food and required as much, if not more, vet care.
Moral of the story, do you want one good horse or a few candidates for the glue factory?
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Neill
Monju123 said:
Sorry that you misconstrued my little story. In no way did I mean to imply that Makita made a substandard product. Makita was my brand of choice before I discovered Festool, mostly because I used to live near a Makita outlet store.
In any case, I respect your right to disagree with me, I do not appreciate your making a personal attack.
Neill
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I noticed that a lot of people here sometimes have quite a derogatory opinion of otherwise perfectly acceptable professional brands. It's like driving a Bugatti Veyron and then calling a Ferrari or a Porsche substandard. It does come over quite snobbish from time to time. I'm sure the Makita will do quite a good job 99.999999% of the time.
I don't understand how that statement is upsetting to anyone. This is a forum of peoples opinions, if you don't want to hear them, then don't ask for them. Neill's statement was simply the truth and nor was he putting down Makita at all. This converstation can be upsetting to Festool owners as well. Are you telling that I over paid for my Kapex by stating that I could buy 6 1/2 Makita's?
The basic outline of the story was that Festool will out last Makita and every other tool out there. Which has been proven to be true.
In todays age you pay for what you get and if your paying $199 for a saw, then your getting plastic parts that will wear out. You couldn't give that saw to me.
The basic outline of the story was that Festool will out last Makita and every other tool out there. Which has been proven to be true.
In todays age you pay for what you get and if your paying $199 for a saw, then your getting plastic parts that will wear out. You couldn't give that saw to me.
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ForumMFG said:
Oh, but you could to me.
Hard to imagine people would throw a highly respected brand like Makita in the 'substandard' and the 'you couldn't give that to me' category. What's next? You'd refuse a free Ferrari?
Hm .......
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I think most people around here know me, I'm a die hard Festool user and I'm a miter saw snob. I have a Kapex, its my saw of choice but I also own a DeWalt miter that I don't particular like and I Makita 1214 that I do. My Makita is a professional tool and I use it happily. My opinion Makita had the best miter saws with the 1212/1012 series. The 1212 was the best saw available until the Kapex. The contractor that I'm working with now has a 1212 and I used it today. His saw is eight years old and its still a great tool. Just because I'm a die hard Festool user doesn't mean that I don't own, use and hold in high regard other brand tools. I believe most other FOG members are the same way. Sometimes pro Festool comments aren't taken as intended in threads like one. Remember this is a Festool enthusiast site so you need to expect pro Festool comments and take then in context.
It really doesn't matter what car make you compare it to, $199 for a LS1013 is a steal. I used one for several years before I switched to the Kapex and the new Milwaukee slider. I have really enjoyed the added features of the new saws, but the 1013 was a rock solid machine.
Sweet deal! I had to drive a little out of my way, but found a 1013 in the box for $199. Outstanding!
No surprises here. I have used a couple of 1013s on countless occassions; so I knew exactly what the saw was, how it would perform, and what limitations it has. I was surprised by the dust collection though. Hooked to my Ridgid 16gal stainless vac and a 12' Mr. Nozzle hose, it was better than any saw I've used (sorry Kapex owners, better than the Kapex connected to the ct22 with the 36mm hose.... although the Kapex does have great dust collection). I did have to "cup" the rubber piece at the back; but no big deal. Connected to the ct22 with the same hose, the results were almost as good (I think it came down to CFM at this point, and the Ridgid moves more air).
I was able to make a little profit by selling my DeWalt 716 (that I never really liked) for not much less than I had in it. At least it held its value in my market. I hated that dang saw.
Priced the same, say $550, I would probably choose the Kapex over the Makita. At an $1100 price difference; there was no second thoughts in my head.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Festools. However, I'm not a fan of every tool they sell. I prefer my Bosch drills and drivers over the Festools. I prefer my Bosch jigsaw over any jigsaw I've ever used or demoed. I like both the Bosch 1617evs and the DeWalt dw621 routers every bit as much as the of 1400. My Ridgid/Metabo ROS gives the ETS150 apretty good run for the money; but I do prefer my 150/5 just a tad over the Ridgid.
That is just my opinion; coming from a guy that uses his tools more than he likes to talk about them
No surprises here. I have used a couple of 1013s on countless occassions; so I knew exactly what the saw was, how it would perform, and what limitations it has. I was surprised by the dust collection though. Hooked to my Ridgid 16gal stainless vac and a 12' Mr. Nozzle hose, it was better than any saw I've used (sorry Kapex owners, better than the Kapex connected to the ct22 with the 36mm hose.... although the Kapex does have great dust collection). I did have to "cup" the rubber piece at the back; but no big deal. Connected to the ct22 with the same hose, the results were almost as good (I think it came down to CFM at this point, and the Ridgid moves more air).
I was able to make a little profit by selling my DeWalt 716 (that I never really liked) for not much less than I had in it. At least it held its value in my market. I hated that dang saw.
Priced the same, say $550, I would probably choose the Kapex over the Makita. At an $1100 price difference; there was no second thoughts in my head.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Festools. However, I'm not a fan of every tool they sell. I prefer my Bosch drills and drivers over the Festools. I prefer my Bosch jigsaw over any jigsaw I've ever used or demoed. I like both the Bosch 1617evs and the DeWalt dw621 routers every bit as much as the of 1400. My Ridgid/Metabo ROS gives the ETS150 apretty good run for the money; but I do prefer my 150/5 just a tad over the Ridgid.
That is just my opinion; coming from a guy that uses his tools more than he likes to talk about them
While I was a big fan of the Makita LS1013, I never found that the dust collection could keep track with either the Kapex or the Milwaukee 6955-20. While completely subjective, I would rate the Makita in the neighborhood of 75-80%, and the Kapex and Milwaukee at 90-95%. I have used a Rigid vac, a CT22, and a CT Midi with all three saws. I think the Milwaukee is marginally better at dust collection than the Kapex, but my Makita lagged a little behind (even with a modified shroud).
That pointed remark is a bit over the top. Each of us is entitled to our opinions, there is no need to look down your nose at those who offer a differing opinion.
mwhafner said:
Don't take it like that. I'm about as easy going as it comes. My point is that I don't post much, I don't often give a lot of background on my experiences or work methods, and I enjoy the forums for peoples inputs and suggestions. I hope to never get on a "soapbox"; as it really isn't all that important to me. In general, I spend as much free time in the shop as life will allow; and enjoy the forums when I get too tired or frustrated to be out there.
I really meant to thank the OP for the heads up, so that I could get in on this deal; and give my feeback on the experience with the 1013. I haven't worked in the trade for over a decade as a professional; but I now expect better results from my tooling than I ever did contracting. I suppose that building furniture for oneself gives a lot more time to be critical of the finished project.
Monju123,
I think there was a slight inference in you post that the Kapex needed to be 6 1/2 times better than the Makita for the money. I think that was what Neill was reacting to, not the relative merits of paying $199 for the Makita (which is, indeed, a steal).
Personally, I don't know what I would do with 6 Makitas, let alone half of one. I do not have any problem with your original premise of the Makita being a great bargain at $199. It just doesn't help to take a sideswipe at the Kapex and then be indignant when someone challenges you about it.
I think there was a slight inference in you post that the Kapex needed to be 6 1/2 times better than the Makita for the money. I think that was what Neill was reacting to, not the relative merits of paying $199 for the Makita (which is, indeed, a steal).
Personally, I don't know what I would do with 6 Makitas, let alone half of one. I do not have any problem with your original premise of the Makita being a great bargain at $199. It just doesn't help to take a sideswipe at the Kapex and then be indignant when someone challenges you about it.
Ahh new generation "get rid of the old" pricing. I remember paying $500 for my LS1013LF not that long ago. I do love my saw by the way...and so does a buddy of mine (he borrows it usually twice a month). I briefly looked at the Kapex when getting my 1013, but for a DIY, the $800 price difference was just too staggering. I found the dust collection on it pretty good (70-80%) with the Rigid shop vac i used before I got my CT22...haven't tried it with the CT yet. What little dust does escape ends up right behind it (very localized)...easy clean up, frankly.
fshanno said:
I guess I'd rather change routers than change bits. The OF 1400 and 1010 are great routers. I don't have my DW621 (sold the DW for a little extra coin to get festool). I have the older OF 1000 (not 1010) and it rarely has anything but a roundover bit in it. I don't own my own 1400, yet. I borrowed a friend in the neighborhoods to try out and give him a review. I only had it for a couple of days, and only used it for about four hours total. I like it enough that I'll get my own; but I won't be selling anymore routers, and I shouldn't have sold the 621. I have not tried either router on the guide rails, just haven't had an application for that yet. I used the 1400 with a homemade fluiting jig, and cut some rabbets for door panels. Those are two tasks that I generally always grab the 1617 and plunge base for. I like both the Bosch and Festool for those tasks; we'll see which one takes the spot when I get my own 1400.
