Midi as a has use vac

[Holmz]

I have had a gut full.
We have 2 meile vacs, home and work, and they are both just about ready for the bin.

Has anyone used a midi or other vac, as a house vac?
Or is it a bad idea?

I only see airwatts for the house vacs, and CFM or l^3/min for shop vacs.

 

[chrisrosenb]

It works great as a house vac.

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

My wife would steal my midi all the time out of my truck because she liked using it around the house and cleaning out her car. I bought her a Ct36 a couple months ago an she loves it.  Plus when I need a larger vac I can steal hers.

 

[Kev]

Ironically I've just spent the last 2+ hours stripping and cleaning a Dyson. I can't understand why anyone would create a vacuum with so many little crap collecting corners and crevices ... unless it's just about the showroom floor aesthetic [mad]

Though it's now clean and back to having decent suction, its still as loud as an aircraft landing on your head [sad]

I do like having a power head, the "turbo" heads don't do the "beat and sweep" thing very well, so that'd be my only nah on using a Festool DC in the home. Whenever I've used the Festool in the house on the carpet after sanding there's nothing let to complain about.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

We had a nice little Miele once - it looked great in the cupboard!

 

[Cheese]

So what's wrong with the Miele? Got a couple of them, one that's 6-7 years old & one that's 11-12 years old. Both work fantastic, and are a more elegant solution than using either the CT 22 or the MIDI. Using either of the Festool vacs is functionally fine but at the end of the day, it still seems to me that using a shop vac for a household chore is kind of an awkward approach to housekeeping. Rather like using a very sharp chisel to cut your steak.
Thinking along those lines, I could also use the stainless Milwaukee vac to clean the floors but towing R2D2 around from room to room seems rather cavemanesque.

 

[Kev]

So what's wrong with the Miele?

The one we had was tiny (my wife had it before we met and used in in a small apartment). I think our daughter has it now and it's probably still going!

The Miele units are stylish compared to the Dysons .. which to me look like some sort of kid's toy gone wrong.

I miss the upright Hoover we had, that was far less tiring to use than a "drag about".

 

[Holmz]

So what's wrong with the Miele?

1)
- The door covering the attachments detached.
- The carpet beater thing never seems to work right. I put pull hair and string out all the time and it still doesn't sound like a turbo.
- The switch on the handle broke so we use the reset button.
- The hose lost it length control and accordions out to double it you pull it.
(Edit) the mrs said that ^this^ one cuts out every few minutes...

2)
- The other one lost its suction ability.

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] I think you talked me into just getting another though. I am Neanderthal enough with trying. Oof-dah.

I was planing on using the floor attachment on the FT, which I do in the garage.

 

[jmbfestool]

Well with europe banning higher watts vacuums soon you aint going to get like the awsome Miele high watts bag vac. 

So companies are going to have to make the lower watts do more work.

However Commercial are unaffected so we might start seeing more people buying commercial vacs to by pass this restriction.

My mum has two dogs lots of hair many vacuums struggle.

Soooo she bought a CTL26 which she loved when using with a air powered brush. However didnt like lugging it up the stairs.

Sooooo I had a bright idea and spoke to festool who said there will be no suction loss on a 25-30metre hose. I thought that would be long enough to do most the vacuuming upstairs while the vac stayed down stairs unless she wanted to do a full upstairs vacuum. 

Any way I was informed wrong suction loss is MASSIVE!!! So much so that the air powered brush head stops instantly as soon as it comes into contact with your fingers or carpet rendering is useless. As before on a regular size hose the suction would power the brush so much that its very hard to try and stop it with your fingers.

So contacted festool and they refunded me and took the hose back.

So I stole the CTL26 of my mum and she gone an bought midi ctl.

Which she loves because it never lets her down and the bag is a long life bag so no further costs on bag and scution as every one knows is pretty much good almost all the way till the end when the bag is full.

 

[demographic]

Ironically I've just spent the last 2+ hours stripping and cleaning a Dyson. I can't understand why anyone would create a vacuum with so many little crap collecting corners and crevices ... unless it's just about the showroom floor aesthetic [mad]

Though it's now clean and back to having decent suction, its still as loud as an aircraft landing on your head [sad]

They might be different nowadays but the last upright Dyson I stripped just had a glorified O ring to transfer power to the carpet beater spinney thing.
It would clog up with hair then and stop shortly folowed by a rubber burning smell and the O ring thing would get melted by the spinning pulley.  Yeah, smart design mr Dyson.

We now have a Sebo which uses a toothed belt to do that job which is far better

 

[Kev]

Ironically I've just spent the last 2+ hours stripping and cleaning a Dyson. I can't understand why anyone would create a vacuum with so many little crap collecting corners and crevices ... unless it's just about the showroom floor aesthetic [mad]

Though it's now clean and back to having decent suction, its still as loud as an aircraft landing on your head [sad]

They might be different nowadays but the last upright Dyson I stripped just had a glorified O ring to transfer power to the carpet beater spinney thing.
It would clog up with hair then and stop shortly folowed by a rubber burning smell and the O ring thing would get melted by the spinning pulley.  Yeah, smart design mr Dyson.

We now have a Sebo which uses a toothed belt to do that job which is far better

We had a Dynson upright after the Hoover - failed just after warranty expired - but then my wife wanted another Dyson .. because her friend had one :-/

 

[Jaybolishes]

We have been using a mini in our house.  I purchased it during a recon sale a couple years ago.  It pulls along wonderfully by the hose.  The only thing I've noticed that is a negative is the vac exhausts stinky air.  I have two dogs and my lab looses a lot of hair.  I think this is the main cause for the oder coming out but I'm not sure.  I wonder if I have to change the hepa filter more often when using the vac for house hold needs.

 

[jmbfestool]

We have been using a mini in our house.  I purchased it during a recon sale a couple years ago.  It pulls along wonderfully by the hose.  The only thing I've noticed that is a negative is the vac exhausts stinky air.  I have two dogs and my lab looses a lot of hair.  I think this is the main cause for the oder coming out but I'm not sure.  I wonder if I have to change the hepa filter more often when using the vac for house hold needs.

Yea thats a point! Ive noticed that my mums CT midi smells a little on the exhaust end. I assumed it was just because of the dogs and she sometimes vacuums the dogs. They like it plus it does get the loose hair out while shes brushing them.

 

[RKA]

It's a common issue with any bagged vacuum, the dogs just mask the stink of human dust.  I typically replace the bags before they get half full because of the stink.  But the dyson gets used on 80% of the house because I can dump the canister weekly before it can produce any stink.

 

[Cheese]

- The door covering the attachments detached.

That's funny... [tongue] both of ours have also had issues with the attachment cover not closing properly and often popping up on its own as it travels from room to room and sometimes it just falls off.

My biggest issue with the Festool approach is the lack of soft bumpers on the vac. I've used a MIDI from time to time because it was convenient. On hardwood floors the MIDI actually rolls too easy and a slight tug on the hose can send it crashing into doors, trim or plaster walls. The smaller diameter casters and the rubber bumpers on the Miele prevent damaging the surroundings.  [cool]

 

[jmbfestool]

- The door covering the attachments detached.

That's funny... [tongue] both of ours have also had issues with the attachment cover not closing properly and often popping up on its own as it travels from room to room and sometimes it just falls off.

My biggest issue with the Festool approach is the lack of soft bumpers on the vac. I've used a MIDI from time to time because it was convenient. On hardwood floors the MIDI actually rolls too easy and a slight tug on the hose can send it crashing into doors, trim or plaster walls. The smaller diameter casters and the rubber bumpers on the Miele prevent damaging the surroundings.  [cool]

Im sure bumpers can easily be added to the MIDI to prevent damage. 

 

[Holmz]

The one thing against the FT is that the hose often crimps itself with a twist, which seems to happen as a floor vac often.

 

[rst]

I have a midi and a 26 but my first good vacs were Feins.  I have two of the IIs that I use in my shop work and a I that resides in my house that my wife confiscated.  Fein also has an electric beater attachment that we do not own as our house as we have tile and hardwood floors.

 

[DB10]

I have had a gut full.
We have 2 meile vacs, home and work, and they are both just about ready for the bin.

Has anyone used a midi or other vac, as a house vac?
Or is it a bad idea?

I only see airwatts for the house vacs, and CFM or l^3/min for shop vacs.

After any building work in the house, I use the Midi with a 36mm hose and the workshop cleaning set. For every day use the wife likes her Dyson, but then she doesn't have to maintain it. But my point is, the midi down here now costs $850 and the workshop cleaning set is $470 that's a lot of dollar if it's only to be used as a house vacuum, have you thought about a little Henry or the like.

 

[Nat X]

So what's wrong with the Miele?

- The carpet beater thing never seems to work right. I put pull hair and string out all the time and it still doesn't sound like a turbo.
[member=44099]Cheese[/member] I think you talked me into just getting another though. I am Neanderthal enough with trying. Oof-dah.

I was planing on using the floor attachment on the FT, which I do in the garage.

There are two really different beater thingies for Mieles. The most outrageously expensive one with the lights on it gets tons and tons of horrible reviews for breaking down immediately. The cheaper one which comes with more of the middle-of-the-road models (like the Kona) is much less fancy and has fewer things that can go wrong with it. It is still just a rotating brush, and that brush will still wind long hair and string up around itself until you cut it free, but that's kinda the nature of the beast.

I'm not a huge fan of Miele's selection of polycarbonate for everything as it scratches far too easily, but overall their vacs have held up for me far better than any Dyson.

 

[yetihunter]

Depends, depends, depends.  Household cannister vacs are designed to follow you.
Festool dust extractors are designed to stay-put in use. 

For a household vac, I'd buy a SEBO and be done with it.
Or, if in the USA, a Windsor (SEBO at a 25% discount).