Murphy Bed in Cherry

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Between shoulder replacement surgery and other life events, this took way longer than I expected, but it's done now. As you can see, the style matches the doors and other stuff I've designed/built in the house:
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We actually looked locally at similar beds (some even used the same hardware), but my wife got quickly turned off not just by the salespeople, but by all the mis-matched wood color and edge chipping that we saw in practically every piece. And then my cousin has a few year old bed they bought for the grandkids, and it had warped in places and so opening was a rubbing chore.

The most challenging aspect was designing around the hardware kit. I got the queen "Elite Aluminum" kit from MurphyBeds.com, and while the hardware is high quality, and I like that it has springs instead of gas struts, the instructions they provide assume you're building the whole thing out of plywood and just edge banding everything. They don't provide key dimensions, such as pivot point location, swing arc at top and bottom, etc., so if you want to vary from their very basic design, you have to reverse engineer everything. If people are interested, I'll do a separate post on how I'd go about this if I were to build another.

Here are the variations I incorporated:
1) A frame and panel design. Unfortunately, I could not do this in solid wood because the panels (both face and side) are structural - the face panels support the mattress and the side panels support the large hinge plates:
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The panels in frame and panel aren't designed to be structural, so that would have meant designing side panels with wide frame members where the hinge plates attach, and then doing something on the face panels to be able to have them support the weight of the mattress and two people sideways. In retrospect, I could have chosen the cheaper I-Semble hardware kit, which incorporates wooden slats to support the mattress off the metal frame, since that would have unloaded the face panels. I'm not confident about gas struts holding up over time though (they leak), and overall the kit seemed of lower quality (befitting its much lower price, though).

To get the frame and panel look, I glued ¼" thick cherry hardwood to the face of the ¾" cherry plywood panels. I don't have a picture, but I used cauls to apply pressure in the middle of the panels since I didn't have any 16" deep clamps. Here's an edge shot showing the construction:
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This made the face panels 1" thick instead of ¾", which affected the hinge mounting locations as well as the bottom arc swing clearance.

2) One problem I have with Murphy Beds is that the cabinets are really big (over 7' tall), yet they are almost always just 3/4" thick, which looks too thin to my eye. So, I did the same applique treatment on the side panels, and to keep the illusion of solid wood frame and panel I made a 1" thick solid wood piece that was rabbeted to hold the ¾" plywood and thus expose ¼" of "frame." I also chamfered the front edge at 45º to make it look even thicker:
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Getting that rabbet just right was an accuracy challenge, and to be safe I made it slightly deeper than the plywood's thickness, scraping the wood down to almost match after glue-up.

3) The headboard of Murphy Beds seems almost an after thought. If the cabinet is deep enough, they angle it, but it's still just a piece of edge-banded plywood. I did the frame-and-panel treatment here too, and incorporated a shelf recessed just below the top:
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That makes a handy place to rest pillows when you're folding up the bed, and when open you can put your watch or rings, etc there.

4) And then the edge treatments. No 1/32" edge banding allowed here - it's all solid wood, with mitered corners, etc.
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Since the metal frame is screwed to the face panel with multiple wood screws, I was concerned about the screw location going through the plywood/solid joint. In retrospect, I could have made the edging slightly wider and then the joint would not have been visible. As it is, it's only visible when the bed is open, if you look down when there's no blanket/comforter on the bed (see earlier photo).

Here's a rather stark picture of the bed open with no bedding and not seeing anything else in the room:
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5) The final aspect was to add a crown molding. There's another thread here showing my progress through the design. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, but I'm not 100% pleased:
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6) One aspect of Murphy Beds is that you may want to eventually move them. Like most beds, you don't typically glue up the whole structure, but design them with knock-down fittings. The original plans used (and provided) simple angle brackets to screw many of the cabinet panels together (putting the backets in the back where they're not seen), but I wasn't too happy about that. They also used Confirmat screws at the top, with the ugly plastic covers right on the outside - yick! I got the DF500 connectors and used those in most of the places, and that worked out well, except for - well I'll save that for the Murphy Bed lessons learned thread.

Anyway, making the crown removable was an interesting challenge. Typically, crown is attached to the vertical panels as well as to each other, but that would have prevented disassembly. Instead, I built the crown as a frame that literally fits over the complete bed carcase and doesn't technically need fixing, but I put two screws through it into the top of the side panels anyway. If you look closely, you can see the crown frame here:
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The thin piece near the back is what completes the frame. This was an interesting process. After making the crown (all from the same board, btw), I cut the front corners of the side pieces first and one edge of the chamfered pieces (both at 22.5º), then glued those up with #20 biscuits. Then I trimmed the back edge of the side pieces (a square cut against the wall) little by little until the crown glued joint lined up with the side panel joint perfectly. The usual "sneak up to the perfect fit" procedure. Then I screwed those into the tops of the side panels to hold them in place.

Then I cut the other side of the chamfered crown at 22.5º, again sneaking up until the edge lined up with the carcase. Then the front piece - cutting it slightly long again and sneaking up trimming one side until it just fit between the chamfered pieces cut edges. This wasn't a measurable thing since the 22.5º angle meant that what you measure on the overlap isn't how much to trim since those directions are angled. My last cut was like 0.25mm. My thoughts kept racing to the old joke "I've cut this board 3 times and it's still too short." Luckily, that last trim worked out well.

Then I was worried about gluing the front piece in only to have the side pieces not be perfectly aligned. And also worried about this "U" construction holding up during finishing and installation. So, I inserted a back stretcher between the two side pieces using dominos, and glued that up, screwing the side pieces in again while the glue dried. And while that was going on, I glued the front piece in as well (biscuits have enough slop and movement to enable me to slide the front piece in without spreading the side pieces apart). The next day, took the crown unit off to finish, and then reinstall.

Here's the crown with the bed open:
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For finish, I used Sutherland Welles' Mahogany stain, diluted 5:1 with their reducer, then a coat of Odie's Oil. I've been using pure tung oil for everything else I've built, and while I love the look and it holds up reasonably well (except in the kitchen), it does take forever and a day to dry. Odie's gives me the same pure tung oil look with just one coat instead of 2 or 3, and it drys much more quickly. We'll see how well it holds up, but I don't think that's going to be a problem. One set-back was I didn't dilute the stain enough the first time through. I did try some samples, but what looks OK at 4" square looks different at 32" by 82". So I had to sand the two face panels down. This was scary on the plywood portions, but I used 180 grit and took my time to get almost all the stain down, and luckily didn't sand through the thin plywood veneer. Maybe I had bought good quality plywood?

The other wood in the house is Narra, which is wonderful to work with and is very stable. This is my first piece using Cherry, and while I liked working with it, I constantly struggled with color. As you know, cherry darkens over time, but it can take years for the real darkening to happen. And when freshly cut, it can be hard to distinguish the sap wood, but once it darkens, that sap wood will stand out, sometimes in ways you didn't expect/don't like. So, I took the short-cut to stain, which I think looks great now, but my concern is whether the cherry will continue to darken and in 5-10 years I'm going to have a very dark bed on my hands.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, hope you enjoyed the pictures and story. Let me know if you have any questions, as well as suggestions. I've gotten more than a few learnings from this project.

 

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Nicely done.must be national cherry month between you and ear3 [smile].
 
Well done!  I would like to what you would do differently if you were going to make another.  Unfortunately, I can't see the Murphy Beds site as it is blocked for me (maybe all of Europe?).

We have a spare bedroom that would be the ideal candidate for a Murphy Bed.  As it is now, the bed dominates the room and we rarely have guests who spend the night.  Freeing up the room for a pair of comfortable reading chairs would be ideal.
 
Beautiful project. I’m definitely eager to read your “lessons learned” thread once you have time to write it up.
 
This has to be one of very the best looking Murphy Beds ever built!

Nara wood? Do you live on the west coast? I've never seen it here on the east coast.

Of yeah, beautiful floor. You really had to do a great job on the bed to compete with the floor.
 
That's a great looking project. I really like the design. I bet it fools a lot of people into thinking it's some kind of linen press, never expecting to find a bed inside. The beveled corners add a lot too it.
 
Michael Kellough said:
Nara wood? Do you live on the west coast? I've never seen it here on the east coast.
Of yeah, beautiful floor. You really had to do a great job on the bed to compete with the floor.

Yeah, Narra I think is the right spelling. The official name is Pterocarpus indicus, but it's called Yellow Narra or Red Narra depending on the color (don't know if the tree is actually different, kind of like bird's eye maple is just how the tree grew). The red is more desirable and more expensive and harder to find in quantity.

It's a great wood, with low expansion/contraction rates, so very stable. Maybe not as stable as teak, but darn close. It works like cuban mahogany with medium density, some very slight oiliness. Takes oil finishes or wiping varnishes really well. I got most of mine decades ago at a place in Berkeley called Eco Timber that unfortunately is no longer around. It was a sustainably harvested wood. When I do buy more I don't know if it's that sustainable or not, I'm just happy to get it.

 
Cypren said:
Beautiful project. I’m definitely eager to read your “lessons learned” thread once you have time to write it up.

OK, long story short:
1) Get the hardware and set it all up without the springs/struts. I did a half-xss job of this since my shop was too small to set it all up, and as a result I mis-calculated the top swing arc, as well as how much the face panel sides overlap the metal frame. Gave me a real scare when the bed initially wouldn't close all the way, but some creative changing of the hinge plate attachment saved the day. The problem, as I stated in the OP, is that the instructions are paint-by-numbers quality, so if you want to vary the design you're on your own and they don't provide the necessary dimensions, you have to measure them yourself.

2) The DF500 connectors are great, but: a) Don't be shy about using enough of them, and b) Don't overtighten the bolt trying to get that depression aligned just right. I was oh-so-close and so rather than unscrew it 340º I went for the additional 20º of tightening and stripped the thing. Luckily the side panels stuck up enough from the top panel that I had enough stock to use an angle bracket, and so just did that on top of the now-useless connector. And since I only used two for the 19" depth, I added another angle plate in the middle. Should have done 3 connectors and 2 unglued dominos. I don't know what I was thinking here. I could have added pocket screws instead of the angle plate, btw.

3) To repeat my OP, be careful when staining a big piece. It's similar to wall painting - those small paint chips from the store aren't good enough to decide a whole wall/room, and here finishing a 4" square sample isn't good enough for a 5' x 7' panel. Sample big and go lighter - it's easier to add another coat of stain than to sand off a too-dark application.

Things I did anticipate well/pretty-well:
A) The hardware kit I got came with an aluminum channel that runs vertically between the 2 face panels for stiffness. Since the face panels are spaced apart to look like double-doors (which is optional, btw, even though they don't tell you that), there actually is an angle where you're looking straight down the gap, and if the lighting is right you could see the shiny aluminum. I pre-painted a matte black strip down the middle of the aluminum before installation.

B) Use of threaded inserts. I watched a video where the guy demonstrated that cyanoacrylate glue in the wood didn't add strength for the inserts. I used real epoxy (thin), and let it soak in as much as possible before screwing in the inserts. BTW, the hardware company warned against using inserts - their design has the inside hinge plates bolted through from the outside, but I couldn't cotton that look. I think they were worried about people using MDF for the sides. I believe that plywood is stronger than MDF, but I did add wood screws afterwards to provide some additional security. Note that since there's some adjustment built into the hinge plate attachment, you can't add those screws until the plate is in its final place, and then with the springs installed some of the holes you'd want to use are covered up, so that limited my screw options. I saw that Michael Alm built a bed with the same hardware kit and he used just wood screws (lag bolts?) to attach the hinge plates , so I feel mine is stronger than that.

C) If you didn't do #1 above, leave the kick plate wide and trim it down after the bed panels are installed and you see exactly where the bottom swing is. This also enables scribing the kick plate bottom to the floor. I also made my kick plate out of solid wood instead of edge-banded plywood. You don't really see the top except as the bed is swinging, but seeing my cousin's bed had its kick plate warped and rubbing, I didn't want to take any chances. NOTE: To do this this way means you need to add another cross member near the front bottom, since the original design has the kick plate being structural and you need the full carcase strength for when you install the bed panel. I put in a plywood stretcher parallel to the floor just in back of the kick plate to support, and that let me add the kick plate later (with some contortion to reach behind it.

D) The design from the company has only a big horizontal top plate. I added a 5"-6" wide vertical plate just under the top plate near against the wall. That covers any gap of the top plate and provides some additional racking resistance, not that much is needed given the whole thing is screwed to 3 studs.

E) Get the Extended Leg option unless the bed is going to mostly be used by kids or short adults. This raises the bed another 2" and lets you use a 2" thicker mattress, so it ends up 4" higher (about 2' total). It does mean your side panels have to be wider, but if you have the space in the room, do it.

F) For the queen size bed, plan how you cut the plywood carefully. Here, my solid wood edge "frame" helped. The face panels for the queen bed are 32.75" wide, and if you're cutting a plywood sheet that's about 49.5" wide (nice of them), you have just over 16.5" for the side panel width, unless you want to buy another whole sheet. The standard is 15&⅞", but then the headboard has to be flat and flush against the wall. So, making the side panels wider fixed all that. Adding the frame appliques let me extend the side panel width. I actually should have gone another ½" wider to have more depth for pillow storage, but it's OK.

G) I have another thread on using the domino for the face mortises, which had me making a transparent jig to assist with alignment since these were kind of floating in the side panels. That jig has become even better with some discussion here, and I may decide to start making them for sale since I found it so useful.

For applying the stain, btw, I was really pleased with MAKRS's Stain Pad Sponges. The exterior material of these is really nice, the sponge interior holds a decent amount of stain, and one pad lasted through the whole bed and is still OK to use. Note that I started with the "Stain Pad," but the alcohol in my stain made that pad decompose part way through. I emailed the company with a photo and got a nice reply back from the owner explaining this is known and that's why they have the other product (sponge, not pad), which is sewn together so won't decompose. He even sent me a link for a free set of sponges since I wasn't happy with the pads.
 
Very helpful write up for anyone who might build a Murphy Bed. That’s not me but it was interesting to read anyway.

Followed the link to the stain pads. They have three stain pads now and I noticed in the comparison chart all three say not for use with alcohol based solvents even though the back of the pads still says shellac is one of the finishes you can use with the pads.
 
This came out incredibly -- very useful to take advantage of smaller spaces.  Thanks for posting!
 
And just yesterday, this video came out:

I think the hardware kit they used isn't as high quality, plus it requires plywood (not solid wood) for the mattress frame, plus it has many exposed fasteners on the outside.

I also not-so-humbly think mine looks way better:
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This video uses the same hardware kit I used and is a nice build/look too (looks like the wall so you don't know it's there):

 

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