Need Help In Expanding Shop Abilities

ebreuer

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Hello Everyone, I am a long time follower and first time poster. I am a hobbyist when it comes to woodworking and strictly build for family and friends. I  setup my garage shop about 1 1/2 years ago and have been hooked ever since. I also have the wonderful situation to have my 16 year old daughter and 12 year old son working right by my side about 2-3 night a week. They just love it, and so do I. They are very safety conscious and the three of use just went through a wonderful full day shop and tool safety class at our local woodworking store.

My current shop includes a Bosch 4100 TS, Router and table, Dewalt 735 planer, Drill press, 1 hp dust collector and various hand tools. I also have Festool TS75, 3 rails, MFT3, two sanders, jigsaw and CT33. My current work process includes a cutting table, very similar to the one Steve Jones built, to do sheet goods and long board rips over 4 feet or so (with TS75/rails). I use the MFT for most larger cross cuts and clamping/sanding. I use the Bosch with a Incra 3000 sled mainly for small cross cuts, angle stuff and under 4 ft rips. I edge joint my boards first on a cutting jig on my table and then hand jointer plane the edges to square (which I actually enjoy). I then put it in a planer sled I built and plane and flatten both faces. It has actually worked pretty well for me.

Up to this point all of our projects have been cabinets, casework and very general carpentry. My future projects will begin with some Adirondack furniture for the deck, a computer desk, end table and then leading up to a contemporary dining room set.

I have the fortunate situation (thanks to tax refund), in that I have about $4,000 to be able to take both myself, kids and shop to the next level and evolution of skills. I am really struggling with what that next step should look like. I am very protective of the kids and their safety, as I know we all are. I am really drawn to the safety that a saw stop would bring to the game. I know it won't help at all with kick back or poor techniques, but it would sure go a long way with some peace of mind for the blade protection. I also like the idea of having a real table saw in the shop (space not an issue). I am trying to decide whether to go with:

1) Contractor sawstop and a good bandsaw (like laguna 14SUV) and entry level Grizzly 6 in jointer.
2) Sawstop Professional and a lower end 14 in bandsaw for mainly curves and misc stuff
3) High end bandsaw (like MM16 or Laguna 16HD) and a small 6 in jointer

Not having have these things before, I really don't know what would bring me the most benefits to get to that next skill level. I would love any feedback, suggestions that any of you could share. I even thought about doing none of these scenarios and really expanding my line of Festool equipment, but that table saw just scares me with the kids. I did also try doing the stuff I do on the table saw on the mft, cutting jig, TS75 and rails as many of you have discussed. It just seems like the whole process is so much more time consuming, but safer. Ideas?
 
Not much to add, as those are really compelling decisions to consider.  I just wanted to say how jealous I am that your kids are of the age and interest to woodwork with you.  Mine are still young (3 & 5) and I can only hope they'll have an interest in dad's hobby in 10+ years...

Because, and only because they are out there with you I would encourage the SawStop.  While resawing and jointing would be handy and money savers, I can't even imagine a child sustaining a serious injury/amputation and the guilt I'd carry around.  Sure, the general chatter is that if you don't do stupid / unsafe stuff a SawStop isn't really saving your from anything.. but unintended injuries happen.

At the same time, with a TS75 and several rails, you've obviously figured out how to get along with minimal use of a tablesaw.  The only thing it really does better than a Festool TS is long ripping.  

Perhaps revise the list to include the Festool parallel guides, nice bandsaw, and nice jointer?   Heck, sell the DW735 to increase your budget and get a 12" combo jointer/planer.  ;-)

It wasn't listed, so I'd also think about an air filtration unit...  Three sets of lungs in there.   [2cents]

.. ok, I guess I had a lot to add.  [scratch chin]
 
hi e, and welcome to the fog.

i would recommend your first listing.
the contractor sawstop is the tablesaw i have been researching myself.
i dont need the cabinet saw, so i will be more than happy with the contractor version. add a laguna bandsaw to that and i would be a very happy chappy!

wood junkies idea to sell the dewalt 735 is a great idea.
i would also recommend a jointer/thicknesser combo.
you should look at the shelix spiral cutterheads for these combo machines too.
they reduce the noise and also increase the quality of cut. but they are expensive add ons.............

happy shopping,
justin.

 
Since "converting" to Festool I find I don't drag out the TS nearly as often as I used to, will use it for narrow rips, but that's about it.  If the kids will be using the TS by all means get the Sawstop, you'll never forgive yourself if they're involved in a TS accident and it could have been avoided by using a Sawstop.  Bandsaws are great, not just for curves, but also narrow rips and resawing.  Personally I like your #1 choice.
 
Thank you Wood Junkie, I am truly blessed with the kids being involved and if they are with me they can't be out getting in trouble either. Actually they are the reason I even started purchasing the Festool stuff. I knew it was so much more expensive than I really needed at the time, but I knew it would hold up long after I couldn't do it anymore and could pass to the kids and their kids. I am sold big time on their stuff.

I love the idea of the combo jointer/ planer combo. I never thought of that. It will be up for sale tomorrow with the Bosch TS.

I knew you guys would come through for me!

Thanks!
 
If you are building furniture and cabinets. you might want to consider a Domino.  You already have a saw - a great one with the MFT - and a safe one.

Domino will be a game changer for you - a significant one.

Just a thought from a furniture and cabinet maker who doesn't own, nor want to have a table saw, but is quite enamored of his FesTool system.
 
Ooh, +1 on the Domino.  It's so ridiculously easy to make bigger and more complex items with this.
 
A nice, beautiful gift for your kids: the Dowelmax.

http://www.dowelmax.com/

I personally think it's one of the most underrated tools out there. You really have to use one to appreciate the simplicity and utter accuracy. It's avery bit as good as Festool's Domino and the tiny size is a plus (at least for me, with my ultra-tiny shop).

On a more general note: you're blessed to have kids who enjoy and share your passion. And, yes, get the Saw Stop if you can. Your injury-free kids are worth more than anything in the world.

Good luck!
 
You might want to consider better dust collection, before you buy more tools to make more dust.  A 1hp dust collector will not collect respirable dust from a table saw, jointer, or planer.  Depending on the type and size of the filter media might actually be worse than no dust collector at all, pumping the finest dust into the air.  This subject is overlooked far too often, and is extremely important to your well being.  Some dust/lung issues don't show up for years, then wham you're really sick.  I really, really like my Clear Vue Cyclone.  Check out their website to learn more about dust collection.

By all means get as wide a jointer as you can.  I was going to purchase a 6", but got an 8" longbed instead.  Glad of that change in plans every time I use it.

Joe
 
Thank you everyone for all the great feedback. I just got back in town from over seas and saw all the ideas. I have decided to move forward with the contractor saw stop. I have sold my Bosch and my DeWalt planer and will purchase the larger Grizzly combo planer/jointer. I also went forward with the Laguna 14 SUV while it was on special. I think I ended up with 3 very good choices. The last thing I did do was to upgrade my 1 hp dust collection. I added a great Penn State 3.5 hp cyclone to my wall. Thank you all for helping me sort through all this! My final purchase will be the Domino, as I already have the Dowel Max and love it.

Eric
 
ebreuer said:
Thank you everyone for all the great feedback. I just got back in town from over seas and saw all the ideas. I have decided to move forward with the contractor saw stop. I have sold my Bosch and my DeWalt planer and will purchase the larger Grizzly combo planer/jointer. I also went forward with the Laguna 14 SUV while it was on special. I think I ended up with 3 very good choices. The last thing I did do was to upgrade my 1 hp dust collection. I added a great Penn State 3.5 hp cyclone to my wall. Thank you all for helping me sort through all this! My final purchase will be the Domino, as I already have the Dowel Max and love it.

Eric

Awesome setup!  Congratulations!
Great, smart choices for your situation. 
 
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