New 18V Cordless SDS - No Rotary Stop?

[jonny round boy]

I was speaking to two guys from Festool UK today, and I asked about the new 18v Cordless SDS Drill. I asked if the delay in the release was anything to do with adding a rotary stop function, and I was told definitely not - the delay is because 'it just isn't ready yet'.

I said I thought this was a mistake, and that not having a rotary stop (chiselling) function on an SDS drill was a bad idea. I was told that Festool Germany had thoroughly researched this area, and came to the conclusion that rotary stop wasn't necessary on this size of SDS, and that they were not in the 'demolition' game. When I pointed out that one of the most time consuming tasks in taking out a kitchen or bathroom was removing old tiles, for which an SDS with rotary stop would be perfect, I was given a 'knowing look' that said "we've told Germany this but they're not listening".

I know of two people who know this tool is coming out, and both have stated categorically that they won't buy it if it doesn't have a rotary stop, as that's an essential function for them.

What do you think?

 

[joiner1970]

That's bad then, even my cheap Makita 18v sds has that option

 

[msc]

+1
Totally agree. I have a old hitachi 24v with chisel action, and comes in very handy. A small sds machine can give more control over a larger ads machine due to the lower  impact force. I was once installing a window and the yorkshire stone blocks just had to be nibbled away slightly in places, and was much easier and quicker than using chisel and hammer, but was still controlled. Using a larger sds machine may not have given the control due to the size, weight and force of the machine.
Also do you know if the new corded tools are going to be available in 110V ? 240v is no good to me.

 

[Deansocial]

I asked a rep from bosch about why some drill had this and some didn't a few years back, I was told the drilling action is greater in those without it. Dunno if it's true

 

[Davej]

With an 18v cordless I wouldn't be bothered about a chiselling function.  For chiselling I use a makita 3kg sds corded, for delicate stuff I use a sds scutch chisel , total control of material removal and always faster than standard chisel bits . I have been after a LIGHTWEIGHT sds drill for a while and was looking at the Panasonic but might struggle on until the festool one arrives . For tile wall removal I do it manually as with over 20 years experience I found that it creates less damage so therefore faster make good time .
Dave

 

[joiner1970]

I like the look of that quadrill be good when that comes out in 110v

 

[jonny round boy]

I like the look of that quadrill be good when that comes out in 110v

I think you might be waiting a long time....

I heard that none of the new tools / ex protools will be available in 110v versions. Basically, the potential sales don't justify the change.

 

[joiner1970]

I was told they're coming

 

[jonny round boy]

I was told they're coming

Strange. Guess no one knows! Time will tell...

 

[Stone Message]

I would not worry at all if a battery operated machine had no rotary stop. My experience of chiselling with SDS machines is that you need a mains powered machine to get jobs done. Chiselling tends to go on for much longer than the sinking of a few holes.

I had a play with some new Festool kit recently and drilling into concrete is now a breeze.

Peter

 

[PreferrablyWood]

I'm interested in the Hammar drill, the big diameter wood drill, and screwing of big screws funtions. The rotary stop function is not a priority for me, though could be nice to have on board

 

[Roadkilled]

Definitely needs a rotary stop for me. Phew that's saved me some cash as I won't be buying one without it.

Eh up Jonathan ;D see you Monday  [thumbs up]

 

[GregBradley]

I can't see buying a SDS Rotary Hammer without the ability to chip UNLESS this is a very small machine that is designed mainly to replace a cordless hammer drill with a proper SDS chuck. If they are designing something that is only for holes up to 1/4" where they are duplicating the very fast, very light hammering of a hammer drill. That type of drilling works pretty well in concrete at 3/16" and brick up to 5/16" or so and wouldn't be worth much to chip.

It is nice to have all three modes on small SDS units: rotary only, rotary + hammer, hammer only. The terminology in hammer drills and rotary hammers is different US and Europe but if it is SDS, I am assuming you mean it is meant mainly to drill holes in masonry.

I have:
Makita BHR241 18v cordless SDS - 3 mode, hammer-only mode is useful on this configuration and I would not do without it.
Bosch 11536 36v cordless SDS - 3 mode, this machine will end the discussion of chiseling being a corded only operation.
Bosch Bulldog SDS - very old 3 mode
Bosch 11236VS SDS - old 3 mode
Bosch 11241 SDS Max - old 2 mode rotary hammer and hammer only
Makita HR5210 SDS Max - 2 mode rotary hammer and hammer only

Makita  HM1203C SDS Max Demo Hammer
Bosch Brute Demo Hammer