new bosch vacs?

[duburban]

anyone currently using these? air clean vacs, look purdy.

http://www.bosch-professional.com/static/specials/click-clean-system/gb/en/dustextraction.html

 

[tbellemare]

They look pretty cool but I haven't used them.

I can say though, I sell Festool, Fein, and Bosch.

I use Festool.

Tom

 

[jonathan-m]

Wish the airflow rating was stated, but with an underpressure of 254mbar this looks to be a very powerful extractor.
I see some nice details on those vacs as well like variable suction, AS hose, Autoclean, rubberized wheels, a cap for the intake hole and a simple but effective hose storage solution.

Bosch has been a good student and taken a few cues from Festool in terms of uniformity & system approach. [thumbs up]

They've added some impressive tools lately & their wide range line-up is starting to look more & more appealing as a full system to invest in if you're a general contractor.

 

[AlexThePalex]

I see some nice details on those vacs as well like variable suction, AS hose, Autoclean, rubberized wheels, a cap for the intake hole and a simply but effective hose storage solution.

Bosch has been a good student and taken a few cues from Festool in terms of uniformity & system approach. [thumbs up]

Was the first thing I noticed too, they sure took a lot of pointers from Festool.

 

[kostello]

They look just like the protool ones

Edit for spelling

 

[skids]

Not hepa rated

 

[nehardwoodfloors]

Only question is when will they come stateside?
They are most def. made by Nilfisk Alto. They look just like them(but better).
Its not a bad thing if they are, Nilfisk is the largest vacuum producer in the world.

 

[duburban]

im interested in a vacuum for collecting concrete dust off of a ro sander or dry diamond polisher. theres the 36ac, the new makita, and these new bosch vacuums that have the air pulsing filter clean feature. the new makita and the 36ac are on the bigger side.

its  kind of amazing how much bosch is trying to imitate festool. i found some other literature about the "system". its almost too blatent for me. anyone use the lboxes? the locking tabs feel very fragile on the front there.

does the 36ac autoclean at set intervals or only when the blast gate is closed?

 

[skids]

im interested in a vacuum for collecting concrete dust off of a ro sander or dry diamond polisher. theres the 36ac, the new makita, and these new bosch vacuums that have the air pulsing filter clean feature. the new makita and the 36ac are on the bigger side.

its  kind of amazing how much bosch is trying to imitate festool. i found some other literature about the "system". its almost too blatent for me. anyone use the lboxes? the locking tabs feel very fragile on the front there.

does the 36ac autoclean at set intervals or only when the blast gate is closed?

Totally agree.

 

[Bob Gerritsen]

Only question is when will they come stateside?
They are most def. made by Nilfisk Alto. They look just like them(but better).
Its not a bad thing if they are, Nilfisk is the largest vacuum producer in the world.

Hmmm, I was thinking they look a lot like Kärchers actually. I have Würth vacs that are made by Kärcher and apart from the motor housing (which are obviously Bosch because of the L-Boxx compatibility), I see a lot of similarities.

Not that it matters much but still...

 

[Bob Gerritsen]

For anyone wanting to improve their German, here's a user review on a Bosch forum:

http://www.bosch-pt.de/professional/community/board/2/topic/16852/2/GAS+55+M+AFC+-+der+erste+Eindruck.html

I've not read it all but scanned for conclusions; I think he likes it, after initial problems (damaged product because of very cheapo packing) and is very impressed by Bosch's new 'systematic' approach as known from Festool. Other than that, it seems paper bags are not available at the moment, those you have to get from the other brand, be that either Karcher or Nilfisk.

 

[jeep jake]

Look at Hilti for concrete dust

 

[duburban]

looks like the hilti's are using one filter vs the 2 from the makita and bosch. id imagine this stops suction while auto cleaning.

 

[JoggleStick]

Protool are definitely the go-to's for concrete dust. Concrete (grinder) dust is a whole other ball game that Festool chooses not to play...
Where the CT26 is around $750- the Protool starts from around $1400- for the auto-clean concrete dust and Hepa versions...

It's not unusual to go up to $2500 to $3500 for a large specialised concrete dust extractor... Overkill for the woodshop... But horses for courses...

I have a Fein, a Bosch (old model) and a couple of Festools... I've worn out a few Makita's and Bosch and a splattering of 'Generics'...

I probly should mention I used to build swimming pools and we used to run wet-vacs for 16-36 hrs non-stop (two) on each pool to 'suck' the vinyl liner down to the shell until the pool filled with water and could hold it down. Heavy duty grunt work.

I like the Blue Bosch but to be honest I see these vacs as 'fence sitters'... Time will tell and I'll be happily proven wrong... To me these are suited for the woodshop but try and appear to be ready for the concrete diamond grinder duty... But I don't know if they will actually stand up to heavy use... We shall see...

 

[JoggleStick]

FWIW I have a few of the Bosch 'system' boxes and they really don't work that well.
There are locating tabs that must be lined up before the boxes click together.
The stack must be pulled down to open lower boxes, ie; you cannot open a lower box, if there boxes stacked on top.
The boxes are ok, but as a system they are somewhat clunky.
No competition to Systainers, IMHO.

 

[jmbfestool]

im interested in a vacuum for collecting concrete dust off of a ro sander or dry diamond polisher. theres the 36ac, the new makita, and these new bosch vacuums that have the air pulsing filter clean feature. the new makita and the 36ac are on the bigger side.

its  kind of amazing how much bosch is trying to imitate festool. i found some other literature about the "system". its almost too blatent for me. anyone use the lboxes? the locking tabs feel very fragile on the front there.

does the 36ac autoclean at set intervals or only when the blast gate is closed?

A builder I work for has the Lboxes and I agree they feel fragile.  Saying that they have not broken one yet!     

My main problem with them was the clipping them together.  I thought they would be brilliant simply place Lbox ontop of another Lbox and simply push to clip together!  But I found my self moving the lbox around to try and locate it into place for it to clip into place.   

Now maybe if used regularly this would become more natural.  The Festool T-locs I find far better method of locking them together.

Also I dont really like the shape/size/space you get with the Lboxes  I much prefer systainers/tlocs shape and sizes.

JMB

 

[nehardwoodfloors]

Look familiar???

http://www.amazon.com/Wap-302000414-Attix-Wet-Tank/dp/B0007LJR2E/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_3

 

[Timtool]

Bosch has been a good student and taken a few cues from Festool in terms of uniformity & system approach. [thumbs up]

Indeed, but ten years late, and they often don't get the subtleness of the Festool system.
When i started seriously woodworking 3-4 years ago i thought i couldn't afford Festool, so i got Bosch. As i got to know the festool system better i was expecting Bosch to copy them. But nothing came, and i got tired of being frustrated by using tools that were not thought as much as the Festools seemed so i switched. So in the end it would have been cheaper for me to get the real thing right away.

Now they suddenly are setting up their own system, starting off with a dud, the L-boxx, a box made by a third party that got fined for infringing on the Tanos patent. They looked cooler than the systainers, but once i got one in my hands i was surprised at how big they are on the outside with few useful space on the inside, they feel very soft and flexible with a general feeling of low quality, they stack but you can only open the one on top. Nice try but a missed opportunity.

Then they finally came out with a plunge saw, well again made by a third party (Mafell) who is capable of making the best plunge saws on the market but intentionally made one that is inferior to their standards.

Now these vacs (i noticed them on a poster at my dealer this week!) they are tall, rounded with all the weight on top. Everything you don't want for optimal use/storage.
The website doesn't mention the airflow or noise rating , the most important numbers for a vac, as if they still had no idea what was important for customers.
Again this is made by a third party it seems.
It seems they have been too busy exporting production to the far east, another reason i switched to festool. I got tired of reading "made in PRC" on the last tools i bouht from them.

 

[jonathan-m]

Protool are definitely the go-to's for concrete dust. Concrete (grinder) dust is a whole other ball game that Festool chooses not to play...
Where the CT26 is around $750- the Protool starts from around $1400- for the auto-clean concrete dust and Hepa versions...

I completely agree about concrete dust being nasty stuff and a real PITA for vaccuums.
However I would say Starmix ISP series is rather the go-to vaccuum for concrete dust and general contracting.

The problem with the Protool / Festool vacs is that there's only 1 main filter. (I'm talking the Protool VCP 260 & 480 & Festool CT models here, I don't know how the other models work)

When the filter's being cleaned you loose suction. The Starmix ISP models don't have this problem as they clean each filter individually which enables them to maintain suction as they clean.
That's not to say Protool / Festool vacs are bad mind you!

There's little to no difference in the Protool & Festool vacs. (I just bought a Protool VCP 260 on May 2nd BTW).
The only difference, apart from the looks, is the the AutoClean function. On the Protool it engages every 10 seconds whereas for the Festool vacs it's adjustable starting from every 15 seconds to every 2 minutes.

This does indeed make the Protool better suited for concrete dust, no doubt. But it should be noted they're really pretty much the same otherwise.
So, I completely second what JoggleStick said. If you're going to be sucking concrete as well as wood dust, Protool over Festool is the wiser choice.

@ Timtool, I more or less agree with you. But while what Bosch are offering may not be the very best tools, but they're definitely not bad.
IMO their current line-up is better than what they were offering 3 years ago.

I really like how they have a very wide & general catalog of tools that are now uniformly packaged & organizable. Regardless of the fact the Sortimo box is inferior to the Tanos box or not. It's nice, and I call that progress & I applaud them for it.

As for the choice for Sortimo boxes I'm kind of baffled as well. They licensed Tanos Systainers for a short while before. Maybe there were problems with TTS and the licensing of Tanos Systainers? Who knows, really?

In the end, the old addage that you get what you pay for still seems to hold true. If it didn't everyone on the FOG would be a real bunch of fools now wouldn't we?

 

[duburban]

jonathan, thats why the new makita is really offering a lot for the money. under $600, includes 2 filters that autoclean one every 15 seconds then the next filter 15 seconds later.

http://www.makitatools.com/en-us/Modules/Company/PressReleases.aspx?ID=288688